Fair enough. You've got me thinking ...

Logi gk.0: Cmp Shields (x3), Cmp Reactives (x5)
Total HP 885

Assault gk.0: Cmp Shields (x3), Cmp Reactives (x5)[/u]
Total HP 1085

This Battle Logi has no sidearm. If he runs a prototype Fine Rifle and Grenade, he won't be able run more than 2 Prototype Active Scanners. He might survive two CRG blasts; his Assault counterpart will absolutely take 3.

If Assaults and Logis switched speeds today, I don't believe that this GalLogi would be more durable or more deadly than a GalAssault. Especially if the GalAssault had a awesome racial bonus (like +RoF).

Whatever happened to the Overdrive units? I still have some on my guristas saga but for some reason they were taken off the store. Only thing they do for my lav is make the fuel injector into maximum overdrive so I can not fathom why they were removed.

I was thinking about all that assualt/logi slayers stuff etc. Could someone explain to me why a specialized suit has more slots than the more versatile (basic) one?

I understand that Dust is about customization and what not, but why not leave it to basic frames for maximum customizability, and specialized frames to specialise in some areas (having suit bonuses, not an abundance of empty slots to stack whatever you want). I mean what's the point of assault having zilion slots if 90% of them fit tank and/or damage?

Everyone wants to add slots here, there, how about cutting down slots on specialized frames and buffing their intended role?

It's already hard enough to convince people that Basic suits should get a buff even without telling them that we gonna nerf their beloved specialized suits.

Logi gk.0: Complex damage mod x3, 5x Enhanced armour plate
Armour HP = 830 while carrying 18 triage hives and dual scanners.

You don't quite understand how to abuse these things, Shotty.



Also just saying, whenever you use the phrase 'fine rifles' I immediately think you're on a hate rant and take you less seriously.

The less appealing we make Assaults, the greater risk of a slayer migration back to Assault Lite.

Why not go with Jebus' idea, and make basic Meds more appealing with 2 EQ?

2nd eqiup to basic frame assaults cuz screw logis. Sidearms to the basic frame logis cuz assaulta and amarr logi. Amarr scout was feeling lonely. Just screw heavies.

I like the new guy.

Is there a basic Logi and basic assault equivalent, or are the two consolidated as a single basic MedFrame? I agree that we should be careful not to step on Logi toes.

Consolidated.

Pilots are being removed from OMS, it is confirmed in Hotfix Echo.

I looked at the basic frames as stepping stones not a destinations. A path I had to progress through to get to the better suit.

Also this makes me think of the people who cried out for this change. Do they realize what the Nyain San kill squad will be doing if they don't have to worry about (or field their own) vehicles?

Enjoy ambush in hotfix echo, careful what you wish for.

I find anything I've put enough research into can be talked about without preparationGǪ. GW2 it is

The problem is Basic MedFrames are absolutely useless and everyone hates them and wants to rather see them gone entirely than made viable. Everyone has to spec into them even though they don't want to use them and so the BMF level 4&5 only serves as a SP trap for people who don't have a clue that not everything you can spec into is actually worth it.

Still, I have yet to hear a really viable point against making BMFs less useless.


One point I hear the most is "oh if you make BMFs better then why would I want to use an Assault suit anymore?" BMFs are different from Assaults, a lot actually. They are clearly not just "Assaults without the bonus".

Assaults still have 100 base HP more, they have 1 high/low slot more, they have a bonus to handling of a racial light and sidearm weapon and they have a bonus to fitting of light, sidearm weapons, and grenades. They are and would still be all around better at slaying than BMFs. Better damage, better fitting, better tank.


Another one is "oh it will just be slayer logi 2.0". No, it won't. What made the slayer logis good was their f***ed up bonuses, native rep rate, and ability to use more and better modules than Assaults because Logis have more CPU/PG. But BMF have less fitting space than both Assault and Logis, no bonuses, and worse stats.

Logis would still have more high/low slots, more EQ slots, better fitting capabilities, better bonuses to certain equipments. If you want to do Logi stuff they would still be the better choice. I guess even tanking a proto logi is easier than a proto BMF.


Giving the BMFs an additional EQ slot will neither make Assaults useless, nor will it make running Logis less desireable.

But with an additional EQ slot all of a sudden we have a nice little niche for BMFs. They are better at doing Logi stuff than Assaults and better at assaulting than Logis. Creating a middle ground between the two for people who haven't decided yet if they want to specialize into Assaults or Logis.


The one thing I don't understand is all the hatred towards making BMF just slightly less useless. It is content that is just unused because it is not balanced right but instead of making it viable many people would prefer having less content. I just don't get it.