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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 13:20:00 -
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As a newish bro I was asking something similar about basics on the Rookie Training grounds,
"Thanks for the reply.... Clearly as I still mainly run starter suits I don't do much slaying either!!!
I can see the basic suits being useful to test stuff out on and their better cpu/pg etc could definitely be useful if you've got the ISK for modules.
Maybe it's because I currently only have Gallente suits to work with but as far as experimenting with fittings goes if for example I only had a G-1 Medium and an Assault G-1 to work with, they both cost the same ISK, but the Assault is 300-400,000 SP more.
They also both have the same slot layout. With the Assault I could use one of the Low Slots for something other than armour and still have more armour than the medium frame, meaning that I can try out the fitting and still be more survivable.
Then with the assault bonus helping with damage slightly I'm not losing much not putting a damage mod in the high slot meaning that I can try other things out here too and still be slightly better than standard at the shooty shooty side of things.
Arguably the PG/CPU bonus is slightly negated by the reduced fitting cost the Assaults have for weapons etc too.
I'd like to run things that aren't the starter suits but it seems to make sense to wait until I've saved the SP for an assault and splurge rather than steadily progress through the mediums first as I could runner a better 'cheap' fit on one of them?
Feel like I must be missing something though? Maybe just overthinking! and maths has never been my strongest suite."
I too am of the opinion that I'd rather see more people using mediums rather than remove them from the game but the only way I, personally, can see it happening at the moment is to make the assault suits etc LESS appealing. E.G. more expensive, less fitting options/capabilities, maybe need level 5 in the basics before they're unlocked.
None of those will be popular/good options though.... |
Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 14:19:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:The less appealing we make Assaults, the greater risk of a slayer migration back to Assault Lite.
Why not go with Jebus' idea, and make basic Meds more appealing with 2 EQ?
I agree to a point and that's why I assumed it would be unpopular. For me coming up through the ranks the problem is ISK. I can run a better assault fit, and arguably scout fit, cheaper, than a comparable basic medium/light frame and strapping more modules onto it doesn't help that.
But that is just me. However I agree and think that the way to go with the basic suits is to make them more versatile than the specialist suits. Hence specialist. BUT to encourage people to do that I think there might need to be more of an ISK disparity too and maybe beyond just basics being cheaper.
I briefly mentioned it above but I should say that to a point this applies to basic light suits too and possibly heavy (although less so because eHP HMG) but being comparatively new don't have a lot of experience with everything..... apart from being instagibbed from all angles. |
Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:58:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:2nd eqiup to basic frame assaults cuz screw logis. Sidearms to the basic frame logis cuz assaulta and amarr logi. Amarr scout was feeling lonely. Just screw heavies.
Not the most constructive way to put it but yes this is true. EQ takes away from Logis, although you yourself have proven very capable with a scout logi so screw logis?  Adding sidearms to logis loses the downside to their Equipment USP etc etc etc. I don't know what the answer is but ultimately few people use the basics.
Maybe then it's a case of rather than making them cheaper make them more expensive, so they cost the same as the assaults give them another slot, on the opposite side to their tank, (although this means that all of them except the minmatar become 4/4 which is a bit dull). Maybe OP
Maybe a less aggressive bonus than the assaults. Eg amour rep fitting reduction for the Gal? Or don't and keep them slightly cheaper than the assaults.
I'm sure all these ideas have been mentioned proposed before hence your frustrations. It's the nature of a complex interlinked set of stats being hard to see the bigger picture at all times.
Light, Heavies no idea never been able to use them. Like I keep saying, relatively new, enjoying the game, trying to learn more and be involved etc etc etc etc.
Can you make a video about something else being good now I'm fed up of being being mown down by GEK-38's |
Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:53:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:I looked at the basic frames as stepping stones not a destinations. A path I had to progress through to get to the better suit.
Agree too, but then why don't you have to progress all the way across the stepping stones to complete the progress..... .... ..... because people need to specialise sooner rather than later etc etc
One Eyed King wrote:@ BMFs (or any BFs)
I also wouldn't mind if they removed them, but if they are going to keep them, they need to reduce the price even further. I would think seriously about using a BF if the rates were 1k, 3k, 7k for Std, Adv, and Proto. Perhaps they could be even less. I think trying to change some aspect of them to compete with other frames does sound risky, but if a new player could use them as a super cheap way to do more as opposed to needing to have proto in everything, it might be just enough encouragement. Plus, vets like me could use them to grind ISK if need be.
maybe this is a possibility. Give them good fitting options and possibilities (apparently echo is going to improve this) but make the suits quite cheap and with no real bonus. That way the cost is the modules and if you want to run a good basic light/med/heavy suit you can fit it with more advanced/proto modules than the assault/scout but these'll cost you muchos isk.
Would this be able to be abused by BPO's though?
I'm going back to hiding in the corner constantly expecting Jolly to leap out of the shadows and blap me.......
In the game. Yes. Just in the game.....
just the game |
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