I don't use this weapon yet. I don't want to train assault rifles up that far, but I feel like I have to in order for the game to be any fun at all in its current state. When I get into a game where the other team is using tacticals, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. If they're blobbed up the only thing that can counter them is more tacticals. It's essentially a sniper rifle without the drawbacks of the sniper rifle.

This isn't the damn CPM's job. You literally should be banned from having internal discussions about weapon balance. Do it as Ironwolf, sure. But not as CPM.

Cough* Single point feedback to show to CCP about the TAR instead of several dozen scrambled in 20 different forum sections.

Not CPM's job. If CCP asked you to do this they have put you in the middle and you should refuse. If they want the feedback, they should make a sticky. If you want the feedback to talk about it in the meeting, you are supporting mission creep and abusing your position to make critical decisions behind closed doors. Weapon balance is never NDA material. If you feel this is something CCP *should* be making a thread over, but isn't, then you should be pressuring CCP, not stepping into their vacant role.

Not CPM's job. If CCP asked you to do this they have put you in the middle and you should refuse. If they want the feedback, they should make a sticky. If you want the feedback to talk about it in the meeting, you are supporting mission creep and abusing your position to make critical decisions behind closed doors. Weapon balance is never NDA material. If you feel this is something CCP *should* be making a thread over, but isn't, then you should be pressuring CCP, not stepping into their vacant role.

So he makes a thread to find out the opinions on something to try and help CCP and thats wrong? Yes CCP should be more talkative but if the CPM did nothing you can bet people would be calling for their heads. Damned if you do and damned if you dont.

its high RoF of is being abused by modded controller. so change the RoF simple, been saying it for a while.

Doing it as a community member is okay. Doing it as a CPM is not. Through IRC he said the purpose is not to make a thread to leave for devs to peruse, it is to poll the community to astroturf his opinions where he plans to talk about it behind closed doors. I am NOT okay with "volunteers" unilaterally trying to influence the numbers of the game. Their purpose is a focus group for NDA materials such as 5 year roadmaps to make sure they have the right things prioritized. Even considering talking about minute details like "tac rifle balance" is downright asinine.

Noc there comes a point where your feedback is more destructive and unhelpful, this is that time. I am just trying to help feed CCP the community's thoughts without doing so much massive work on my end.

It is destructive to your goal of power creep. It is helpful to the long term health of this community for after your appointed term ends we still must live with the consequences of your actions.

Hey noc and telc, if you guys want CCP to nerf the Tac AR without any considerations to anything people have said here at all I would be all for it. :D

Don't conflate addressing your misuse of the CPM seat with no care for the TAR. It is because I support every weapon that I don't want the CPM to try and filter which opinions get merit. Leave that to the game designers who are paid to do such things.

Fine then here's some homework, find me all the comments on uprising's TAR, you have until monday shanghai time.

I want extended feedback, comment banter, thread links, history of they players other types of issues involving the use of the weapon.

Stop off topic posting.
Stop trying to silence the community.
Stop trying to tell me how to do your job.

Not silencing the community. This thread would be 110% okay if it was a community thread. Instead YOU made it a CPM issue, and I must call you on it.

Bottom line CPM is not trying to balance anything, CPM is trying to show CCP there is a need for balance.

The fact that you are trying to single out a weapon as needing balance is you trying to balance something. You may not be handing CCP numbers specifically, but you are calling for something to be done, and using your role as CPM to do that is frankly bullshit in my opinion. If CCP wants a thread, they are fully capable of making one themselves (see: all the stickies in general discussion and the SP cap thread from a while back).

For you to be leveraging your behind-closed-doors time with CCP to balance individual pieces of the game is unfair to others. Members of the CPM have already shown that they either don't play much or don't specialize broadly/deeply enough to have an understanding of how particular items work in which case I wouldn't trust them with being able to separate legitimate from biased feedback coming from the community, while other CPM members have shown a pervasive bias toward other members of the community and would gladly "ruin" items they felt would hurt people they didn't like, in which case the CPM being involved in any hidden balance discussions would be detrimental to the game for the sake of an individual's personal vendetta.

I'm all fine for you to be trying to gather info as a player, but to be using the CPM in the way you have only makes it look like these discussions are happening away from the community, and I am not a fan of the road this is going down. The CPM members, even collectively, are not equipped with the knowledge necessary to make legitimate calls for balance.

I think its too early to discuss the TAR credibly.

I'll post something on topic here:



I think it is too. With hit detection still being questionable, aiming messed up, and range all screwed up, flailing about with balance just because people found a gun that actually works during all the problems is a bad idea.

As a Logistics player who is now painted a bright yellow these guns anger me.

With the recent "range" nerf these guns are the obvious choice. Plus the damge on some of them is rediculous!

I put my Logi to the side after running into squads of these things, it not worth playing Logi imo right now.

I agree this is why I was hesitant to support any MD changes right now outside of phsyically fixing the gun itself before going afte rthe numbers. There are large number of things from uprising too screwy right now.

However when commands like
"Everyone train for TARs" start popping up from various groups there is a need for some concern.

Its not on CCP's mind, this is proactive thought farming right now. Ideas about it may change when things get fixed but its trying to find the tone of the weapon overall.

1. Hit Detection
2. Aim ,
3. Weapon Rangep

However when commands like
"Everyone train for TARs" start popping up from various groups there is a need for some concern.

First off Logi suits are the best combat suits (medium suit wise), second this is an example of how not to give feedback. I don't see how a tac AR would keep you from wanting to heal, rez, and distribute ammo to people. I'm also curious what do you change into when you put your logi down?

First off Logi suits are the best combat suits (medium suit wise), second this is an example of how not to give feedback. I don't see how a tac AR would keep you from wanting to heal, rez, and distribute ammo to people. I'm also curious what do you change into when you put your logi down?

Updated the OP to be more concise on the goal of this thread.

I'm OK with the range of the Tac if the laser range is increased. Looking only at the Tac for "balance" would be a mistake. I think we should look at it's role among the AR weapon group and its roll among the medium-long range weapons group to suitable find it's place.

First, I have not used the Tactical Assault Rifle in this build yet, I have however been killed by it afair amount. I keep hearing about modded controlers being a problem, however I wouold like a solution to that that would not penalize everyone else too if that is the problem.
Second, the lack of a counter weapon. The Tactical Assault Rifle is a medium range weapon. The counter should be Laser Rifles, and maybe MD and other Tacticals. Fix sites on Lasers, and the damage so that it can do the same amount as the Tactical at the same ranges and that should help. And make the MD able to hit out a bit to keep everyone on their toes.

I've tried it, but i don't like it to much.
But there must be a reason of why people started to use it so much, i think they miss sharpshooter and they love the high damage it deals.
I agree with the high damage but it should have the same range of any assault rifle.
I have a question, what means TTK?

Think this guy hits the nail on the head. At the moment the only real counter are snipers who see them or Forge Gun players blasting at range.

I agree with most that they should definitely have a reduce ROF, though not some really low number but obviously lower than full auto rifles. Also though the recoil is quite high and only reduces when kneeling so it is skill and proper play to use them. Players with good gun game are just feasting now.



I believe it is Time To Kill but not a pro at this stuff

I've never been quiet on my dislike of the Tac AR, but it fills a niche that many people love - the marksman. It's no sniper rifle, but it's able to take out reds at a great distance. The problem with the Tac AR is that it is still freaking amazing at CQC, and any failings that it might have are easily covered by making another fit with the same tier of the AR as it is governed by the exact same skill.

There is no trade off to skilling up the AR. You'll have a guaranteed great weapon at all ranges for the price of one skill. No other weapon is able to do that, and makes choices in what you want to do that much more limited.

This problem is then compounded by the Gallente Assault suit, which lets you fit high tier weapons without sacrificing any tank or damage output. This suit also is an armor tanker which is strong against lasers, the only weapon that can compete with the Tac AR for dealing damage at that range.

This puts all those small little advantages in the hands of the Tac AR, coming together to form the new OP (I hate that term too. please keep reading) weapon.

There does need to be a weapon to fill that role, It just shouldn't be in that skill tree.

My recommended course of action would be just to take the Tac AR out of the game. No nerfs to the point of being unplayable, just freaking nuke it and replace it with a new sniper rifle variant with a 25 round magazine and a decent rate of fire while extending the range slightly on the Gallente AR, ideally it's optimal should end where the LR starts. (possibly meaning bringing the LR's optimal in a little bit. but that's another thread)

This would accomplish a few things, namely it would give sniper rifle users the role of the designated marksman again. I can count on one hand how many times I've been shot by a sniper, let alone killed this build. Throw them a bone FFS. Less weapon diversity is the last thing this game needs.

secondly, it would balance out the roles of the various suits a little better. a low capacity weapon would put the Caldari assault in the running for owning the mid-long range game again with the suit specialty (reload bonus, for the uninformed), while letting the laser keep up with that role as it would be able to burn through Caldari shields (though the new variant would outrange the LR by a 10-20 meters), letting the designated marksman decide whether or not to close in and have a weapon that is still formidable in cqc though it doesn't fill that role as well as the AR or HMG.

As far as skill bonuses go, the new variant would still get helped by the sniper rifle op bonus of reduced sway as the rail rifle would have have to get settled in for a moment to balance having a longer range.

In my opinion it should be a high damage, low rate of fire gun meant for medium to long range encounters. To do this, I suggest these general changes:

-Increase damage (around 90)
-Decrease rate of fire (120-150)
-Maybe lower clip size a little (around 15?)

In my opinion it should be a high damage, low rate of fire gun meant for medium to long range encounters. To do this, I suggest these general changes:

-Increase damage (around 90)
-Decrease rate of fire (120-150)
-Maybe lower clip size a little (around 15?)

I could get behind this. The gun performs like it should if a nerf should happen, it should focus on the DPS.

I honestly think we just need to buff other weapons so they can preform.

4. Damage Modifiers

The main issue is how damage mods stack, which is what makes it so appealing. If damage mods actually exhibited diminishing damage as more modifiers are stacked instead of the current compounding it will be a total different story

@ 1 Damage Modifier = (1.1) ^ 1 = 1.10
@ 2 Damage Modifier = (1.1) ^ 2 = 1.21
@ 3 Damage Modifier = (1.1) ^ 3 = 1.33
@ 4 Damage Modifier = (1.1) ^ 4 = 1.46
@ 5 Damage Modifier = (1.1) ^ 5 = 1.61

Just so we're all clear:

Damage Modifiers have a stacking penalty, and have had a stacking penalty for some time. It's been proven experimentally on the forums multiple times, I just don't have the thread links at hand.

The fitting screen remains inaccurate for some reason. I don't know why CCP hasn't bothered to fix it since it's a perpetual source of confusion.

Just had a separate thought that could resolve the problem with the TAR or any other weapon in the future that will be considered OP. Why not just raise the CPU/PG fitting requirements on the damage mods? People abuse the hell out of them and let's face it, 4-5 damage mods will make anything OP.

Just had a separate thought that could resolve the problem with the TAR or any other weapon in the future that will be considered OP. Why not just raise the CPU/PG fitting requirements on the damage mods? People abuse the hell out of them and let's face it, 4-5 damage mods will make anything OP.

I hope DPS for you means damage GÇ£per shotGÇ¥ and not GÇ£per secondGÇ¥. The TAR needs to have incredible damage but be almost useless in CQC, lowering the clip size should be enough.

Because then damage mods would be completely useless compared to shield extenders.

Honestly, shield extender fits on anything but Heavy were already better than damage mod fits in Chromosome. (I've posted the math at length to prove this before.) For Uprising, shield extenders got a skill that makes them up to 10% more effective.

Damage Mods are just fine by comparison, and the only thing keeping this from being Shield Extender 514 is Flux Grenades.

In my opinion it should be a high damage, low rate of fire gun meant for medium to long range encounters. To do this, I suggest these general changes:

-Increase damage (around 90)
-Decrease rate of fire (120-150)
-Maybe lower clip size a little (around 15?)

its high RoF of is being abused by modded controller. so change the RoF simple, been saying it for a while.

Hey Guys just a heads up.

It has been brought to the CPM's attention that there are concerns over the Tactical Assault Rifle. After some discussing the CPM believes that its best for the community to describe the nature of the Tactical Assault Rifle and we would really like to hear from all of you on the weapon.

This includes both Operators of Tactical Assault Rifle and the Targets of Tactical Assault Rifle.

So leave your thoughts from any point of view on the weapon we will check back on it.

The purpose of this is not to talk balance but to give feedback to CCP in a compact easy to find place before CCP gets the chance to do anything to it. Research if you will. So comment about what you think of the rifle honest from your point of view, and focus on what you really think of it and far less about trying to balance it. You should also include all environmental concerns involving the gun such as bad aiming, uprising woes and control issues that may be a factor in this gun sticking out too far verses most other weapons.

If you need to, include outside variables such as other ARs, suits, weapons, or scenarios involving the TAR.

Even with a good mouse the most u can fire is 4 rounds per s.

(With recent changes, it seems CCP is listening again. In that case, I will participate again.)

Not much needs to be done with the Tactical.
It's been my weapon of choice since I've dropped the sniper rifle.

Here are points on refining the Tactical:

- I can confirm that modded controllers are NOT an issue for the Tactical AR.
Tested using a "Steel Series 3GC PC Gaming Controller" which, as of Uprising, is fully compatible with Dust514. Turbo function enabled on R1. There was no significant increase to RoF when in ADS, and recoil was severe enough to totally discourage automatic use. However, there was a noticeable increase in RoF when hip-firing. The same applies for modded mouse inputs using a CronusX device... recoil is too high for the mouse to mitigate.

- Clip size and ammo capacity is disproportionately higher than other weapons. Therefore I recommend keeping the clip size for both Tactical assault rifles at 24 rounds, and cutting maximum ammo down to 120 rounds.
24 rounds in a clip with 4 clips on standby. 30 rounds in a clip and 300 rounds(10 clips!) on standby for the Duvolle Tactical AR is TOO high. (The weapons range and dps is too high to maintain such sustained fire.)

- Recommend increasing hipfire spread by 50% to discourage using the Tactical in CQC.
I can simply sidestep, and hipfire a heavy or shotgun user without consequence.

Range and damage on the Tactical are fine. Recoil is well mitigated. Simply cut the number of rounds available to Tactical users, to reduce them running around the field with wreckless abandon. As a Tactical user, if I ran out of ammo as quickly on a Tac, as I do using a full-auto, I'd pick my engagements way more carefully.
Furthermore, not everyone can use a Tactical. It's not the use-to-win weapon that the Chromosome AR was. Many people would get killed by a Tactical, but not have the skill to use it as well. This is a sign of a well balanced weapon.

I think the TAR should be left alone for now so we can see how it fairs against the single shot scrambler rifle.
If it's still dominant and "OP" , I believe lowering its CQC effectiveness is the best course of action. Either push back its optimal range, or decrease its hipfire accuracy. Be careful not to nerf it too much and make it garbage.

Ok, to me, this weapon shouln't exist. At least not as an AR but as an SR (Scramble rifle).
Get those cheating guys should be easy.

1.- Just seeing at ther fire pattern (Banning people with auto fire)
2.- Decreasing RoF
3.- Making it heat. If it heats more the shorter the weapon is fire, the auto fire is worth for nothing.
4.- This weapon could ble like a laser as well. Not being able to hit with 100% damage at close.
There are many options to fix tacticals or just make a new weapon, but with some restrictions

I also used the weapon and is way OP. Simply cuz no weapons can match its range nor damage.
Laser Rifle (LR) should outrange those short/mid weapons, since LR should be be mid-long weapon.

L8er!

(With recent changes, it seems CCP is listening again. In that case, I will participate again.)

Not much needs to be done with the Tactical.
It's been my weapon of choice since I've dropped the sniper rifle.

Here are points on refining the Tactical:

- I can confirm that modded controllers are NOT an issue for the Tactical AR.
Tested using a "Steel Series 3GC PC Gaming Controller" which, as of Uprising, is fully compatible with Dust514. Turbo function enabled on R1. There was no significant increase to RoF when in ADS, and recoil was severe enough to totally discourage automatic use. However, there was a noticeable increase in RoF when hip-firing. The same applies for modded mouse inputs using a CronusX device... recoil is too high for the mouse to mitigate.

- Clip size and ammo capacity is disproportionately higher than other weapons. Therefore I recommend keeping the clip size for both Tactical assault rifles at 24 rounds, and cutting maximum ammo down to 120 rounds.
24 rounds in a clip with 4 clips on standby. 30 rounds in a clip and 300 rounds(10 clips!) on standby for the Duvolle Tactical AR is TOO high. (The weapons range and dps is too high to maintain such sustained fire.)

- Recommend increasing hipfire spread by 50% to discourage using the Tactical in CQC.
I can simply sidestep, and hipfire a heavy or shotgun user without consequence.

Range and damage on the Tactical are fine. Recoil is well mitigated. Simply cut the number of rounds available to Tactical users, to reduce them running around the field with wreckless abandon. As a Tactical user, if I ran out of ammo as quickly on a Tac, as I do using a full-auto, I'd pick my engagements way more carefully.
Furthermore, not everyone can use a Tactical. It's not the use-to-win weapon that the Chromosome AR was. Many people would get killed by a Tactical, but not have the skill to use it as well. This is a sign of a well balanced weapon.

I like 2 and 4 but 1 is just not true. It has enough subtle kick to it that you can't auto fire with it. Having it overheat is kind of silly, I'd probably just go for a smaller clip size and lower ammo capacity to tame the damn thing.

I feel like Tac-rifles should be a different rifle altogether, apart from the assault rifle family tree.

Hey Guys just a heads up.

It has been brought to the CPM's attention that there are concerns over the Tactical Assault Rifle. After some discussing the CPM believes that its best for the community to describe the nature of the Tactical Assault Rifle and we would really like to hear from all of you on the weapon.

This includes both Operators of Tactical Assault Rifle and the Targets of Tactical Assault Rifle.

So leave your thoughts from any point of view on the weapon we will check back on it.

The purpose of this is not to talk balance but to give feedback to CCP in a compact easy to find place before CCP gets the chance to do anything to it. Research if you will. So comment about what you think of the rifle honest from your point of view, and focus on what you really think of it and far less about trying to balance it. You should also include all environmental concerns involving the gun such as bad aiming, uprising woes and control issues that may be a factor in this gun sticking out too far verses most other weapons.

If you need to, include outside variables such as other ARs, suits, weapons, or scenarios involving the TAR.

Three words, best description

Automatic Sniper Rifle..
Geck on Steroids...

ok so I lied, six...

Hit Detection and Aiming are bad atm, until thats fixed no reason to have a discussion on ranged weapons.


Stop nerfing weapons, start buffing weapons.

Think TAR is to powerful? Buff lasers a bit.

Quit using a hammer to fine tune your game CCP, make changes in small increments.

I am new to the eve universe so I may not understand the lore with the weapons / factions as much as everyone else and what that entails.

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So leave your thoughts from any point of view on the weapon we will check back on it.
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The TAC AR is perfect the way it is and needs no change. A 77k weapon should obviously work. No serious AKer is ready to spend around 100k per round on a suit and a gun that shoots rubber ducks.

I like 2 and 4 but 1 is just not true. It has enough subtle kick to it that you can't auto fire with it. Having it overheat is kind of silly, I'd probably just go for a smaller clip size and lower ammo capacity to tame the damn thing.

I used the Tac until it became a death cannon. I used it for a few matches after the damage bump, then laughed and put it away because it just makes things FAR too easy. I'll use the burst 'til that beast calms down a bit.

It's the damage and the ROF. Fix one and the other will be fine.

Honestly this weapon is balanced

its high RoF of is being abused by modded controller. so change the RoF simple, been saying it for a while.

I think it's fine and requires real aim to use.

- Drop the RoF to 120-180 RPM. That's 2-3 rounds/second.

- Increase hip fire kick drastically

- Modify damage falloff in mid range. It's enhanced range shouldn't give it as drastic an increase in mid-range/long range damage as it has now.

Damage is fine. It's on-par with the Scram Rifle, but the scram rifle has Overheating, Feedback damage, and a much lower effective range.

Price shouldn't even come in to the equation. Saying a 100k gun should 'perform' is stupid. My Imperial Scrambler Rifle costst 100k, and it doesent perform like the TAC.

Real life comparisons from a CPM member

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- Drop the RoF to 120-180 RPM. That's 2-3 rounds/second.

- Increase hip fire kick drastically

- Modify damage falloff in mid range. It's enhanced range shouldn't give it as drastic an increase in mid-range/long range damage as it has now.

Damage is fine. It's on-par with the Scram Rifle, but the scram rifle has Overheating, Feedback damage, and a much lower effective range.

Price shouldn't even come in to the equation. Saying a 100k gun should 'perform' is stupid. My Imperial Scrambler Rifle costst 100k, and it doesent perform like the TAC.

its high RoF of is being abused by modded controller. so change the RoF simple, been saying it for a while.

I find the TAR to be the most fun weapon to use, I enjoy percision, single shot, skill weapons (i use scrambler pistols a ton and love them as well). Scrambler Rifles are fun too, so i no longer find the TAR NEEDS to exist.

However, I believe most of the problems with the TAR come from the bad aim in CQ. Where the TAR is supposed to be vulnerable, 80% of the player base (sometimes myself included) struggle to really keep up with targets. Therefore the TAR user simply has to strafe and put distance back between him and his enemy and take them out while doing so.

If a nerf occurs to TAR at CQ it needs a buff at mid/long range. Right now the big issue is that it can hipfire so well. If you remove that, I would say we need to reduce the recoil on ADS shots.

I guess it's not as bad as when they somehow released fully auto TARs back when there was a 'basic' version.

Still RoF is the issue and anyone who doesn't agree either uses it or pubstomps with friends who use it. It should be less than the breach with significantly more damage.

99% of my deaths since Uprising have been to a Tactical AR of some variety or another. I vote they be made the Sci-Fi version of a bolt action rifle.

I've highlighted the perfect solution. Give it an animation and everything, make it a bolt-action DMR. Maybe give it nearly the same damage as a Breach AR of the same tier, laser accurate, but with something like a 4 second delay between shots where you are manually operating the bolt to discharge the old "casing" (since they aren't truly projectile weapons, I doubt they really have casings) and loading the next round into the chamber. Voila, Tac AR that isn't broken.

1 bullet every 4 seconds with only breach level damage? Now that's the other extreme, you would completely break the TAR by doing that. And after them being almost completely useless last build, I'd hate for them to be broken again.

A scout wouldn't even loose half of it's shields, and it's shields would be fully restored before you got your next shot off at that damage. Just to clarify.

To "balance" the TAR, a ROF decrease is all that is needed. maybe 450 RPM. To compensate, the TAC needs a hipfire buff to stand a chance in cqc with good dancing.

To "balance" the TAR, a ROF decrease is all that is needed. maybe 450 RPM. To compensate, the TAC needs a hipfire buff to stand a chance in cqc with good dancing.

its high RoF of is being abused by modded controller. so change the RoF simple, been saying it for a while.

im not gonna sit here and convince these tards that the TAC is fine, just lower the RoF slightly since everyone cant figure out how to use any other gun against a TAC. my solution for CCP is to release the other weapons for each class and work them into their own niche

I love the feel of the TAR. Assault rifles generally come in auto, burst, and single-shot versions, and the TAR delivers well on the single-shot AR.

That being said... it's OP. As a TAR user... like, for serious, few to no players pose a challenge to it, except for other TARs. Then we get in a TAR-off until someone dies.

When people using an OP weapon say that it's OP, we have a serious problem.

You have a Shotgun and got the jump on me?

Too bad, I have a TAR and can spam the trigger and kill you before you kill me.

Personally, it's fine the way it is but if you must...

Reduce RoF so people stop going on about modded controllers, but a reasonable person can still fire as fast as they pull the trigger.

Reduce clipsize to 15.

Everyone's happy.

But do NOT mess with the range, it's a DMR/M14/Battle Rifle basically, it's made for medium-long range.

I think most people using the TAR realize it's OP. For many, it's probably why they're using it.

(I just usually either snipe or AR, and AR has been more satisfying this build. And I'm willing to call an OP gun OP.)

I thought recoil was the biggest drawback to this gun?

Reading through the forums people were saying the recoil was sever and because of that it takes skill to use it.

Am I missing something?

Maybe the one I got didn't come with recoil.

You have a Shotgun and got the jump on me?

Too bad, I have a TAR and can spam the trigger and kill you before you kill me.

If you justify it in your head enough you can see the "recoil" its just like looking at the matrix

It's been about two weeks since this thread was started, I assume they've absorbed the impact of the TAR now (really just playing a few battles would probably do that as well). So, will we get feedback on our feedback?

If you justify it in your head enough you can see the "recoil" its just like looking at the matrix

If you justify it in your head enough you can see the "recoil" its just like looking at the matrix

@ OP:

As a steady Heavy, I think it's rediculously stupid that a Tac Duvolle can burn through 75% of my health in 1-2 seconds because people are getting modded controllers to fire the gun as fast as possible. Even when they are in my range, they're still a challenge. Most TAR users, I kill straight away, but I do think that when an enemy team is comprised of only TARs, there's something wrong with the mechanics of the weapon.

I think the TAR is fine.

Its deadly at medium range. Laser rifles out range it.

Its pretty bad up close unless you get a lucky hit in.

TL/DR
Reduce the ROF and dismiss my other ludicrous points

I think the TAR is fine.

Its deadly at medium range. Laser rifles out range it.

Its pretty bad up close unless you get a lucky hit in.

I wont lie. I use tac specifically because of its higher damage. Up close I get wiped out because I have trouble continuously pressing r1 and keeping sights on someone.

I looked up TL;DR on the interweb and the definition was "I'm a slow reader."

Sorry to hear about that, by the way.

But actually, the ROF thing is a given. They're gonna change that no matter what because the point is too valid and other people have made it numerous times.

The real unique point that I was offering was the bullet-spread during hip fire. This is the most important thing to nerf, because it is what most over-shadows the unique role of the AR. The Tac AR should be better at longer ranges, and the AR should be better at close to medium ranges. This is not the case at the moment. The solution is increasing the bullet-spread during hip-fire.

I disagree completely with your bullet-spread opinion. Dispersion is fine, what makes the TAC lethal at close range is the brutal DPS, which is completely controlled via the ROF.

Increasing dispersion would not make that much difference in CQC assuming your on top of the target, it also has the potential to look ridiculous. A good gamer will simply just pull up his aim to compensate so its a mute point.

If you reduce the damage per shot then it cannot function as a marksmen rifle, thus completely removing its intended role.

Oh btw your definition was wrong, you should try and understand the concept before wailing on walls of text of nonsense.

Simple solution:

Remove the crosshair from the hip firing mode, and force people to use ONLY the scope ( The same as a Sniper Rifle )