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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:07:00 -
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Hey Guys just a heads up.
The CPM is discussing the nature of the Tactical Assault Rifle and we would really like to hear from all of you on the weapon.
This includes both Operators of Tactical Assault Rifle and the targets of Tactical Assault Rifle.
So leave back your thoughts on the weapon we will check back on it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:20:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:This isn't the damn CPM's job. You literally should be banned from having internal discussions about weapon balance. Do it as Ironwolf, sure. But not as CPM.
Cough* Single point feedback to show to CCP about the TAR instead of several dozen scrambled in 20 different forum sections.
Bottom line CPM is not trying to balance anything, CPM is trying to show CCP there is a need for balance. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:37:00 -
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Hey noc and telc, if you guys want CCP to nerf the Tac AR without any considerations to anything people have said here at all I would be all for it. :D |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:44:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:This isn't the damn CPM's job. You literally should be banned from having internal discussions about weapon balance. Do it as Ironwolf, sure. But not as CPM. Cough* Single point feedback to show to CCP about the TAR instead of several dozen scrambled in 20 different forum sections. Not CPM's job. If CCP asked you to do this they have put you in the middle and you should refuse. If they want the feedback, they should make a sticky. If you want the feedback to talk about it in the meeting, you are supporting mission creep and abusing your position to make critical decisions behind closed doors. Weapon balance is never NDA material. If you feel this is something CCP *should* be making a thread over, but isn't, then you should be pressuring CCP, not stepping into their vacant role. So he makes a thread to find out the opinions on something to try and help CCP and thats wrong? Yes CCP should be more talkative but if the CPM did nothing you can bet people would be calling for their heads. Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Doing it as a community member is okay. Doing it as a CPM is not. Through IRC he said the purpose is not to make a thread to leave for devs to peruse, it is to poll the community to astroturf his opinions where he plans to talk about it behind closed doors. I am NOT okay with "volunteers" unilaterally trying to influence the numbers of the game. Their purpose is a focus group for NDA materials such as 5 year roadmaps to make sure they have the right things prioritized. Even considering talking about minute details like "tac rifle balance" is downright asinine.
Noc there comes a point where your feedback is more destructive and unhelpful, this is that time. I am just trying to help feed CCP the community's thoughts without doing so much massive work on my end. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:55:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Noc there comes a point where your feedback is more destructive and unhelpful, this is that time. I am just trying to help feed CCP the community's thoughts without doing so much massive work on my end.
It is destructive to your goal of power creep. It is helpful to the long term health of this community for after your appointed term ends we still must live with the consequences of your actions.
Fine then here's some homework, find me all the comments on uprising's TAR, you have until monday shanghai time.
I want extended feedback, comment banter, thread links, history of they players other types of issues involving the use of the weapon. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:59:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hey noc and telc, if you guys want CCP to nerf the Tac AR without any considerations to anything people have said here at all I would be all for it. :D Don't conflate addressing your misuse of the CPM seat with no care for the TAR. It is because I support every weapon that I don't want the CPM to try and filter which opinions get merit. Leave that to the game designers who are paid to do such things.
Stop off topic posting.
Stop trying to silence the community.
Stop trying to tell me how to do your job. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:06:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hey noc and telc, if you guys want CCP to nerf the Tac AR without any considerations to anything people have said here at all I would be all for it. :D Don't conflate addressing your misuse of the CPM seat with no care for the TAR. It is because I support every weapon that I don't want the CPM to try and filter which opinions get merit. Leave that to the game designers who are paid to do such things. Stop off topic posting. Stop trying to silence the community. Stop trying to tell me how to do your job. Not silencing the community. This thread would be 110% okay if it was a community thread. Instead YOU made it a CPM issue, and I must call you on it.
CPM = Community
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:29:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:I'll post something on topic here: Telcontar Dunedain wrote:I think its too early to discuss the TAR credibly. I think it is too. With hit detection still being questionable, aiming messed up, and range all screwed up, flailing about with balance just because people found a gun that actually works during all the problems is a bad idea.
I agree this is why I was hesitant to support any MD changes right now outside of phsyically fixing the gun itself before going afte rthe numbers. There are large number of things from uprising too screwy right now.
However when commands like
"Everyone train for TARs" start popping up from various groups there is a need for some concern.
Its not on CCP's mind, this is proactive thought farming right now. Ideas about it may change when things get fixed but its trying to find the tone of the weapon overall. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:50:00 -
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Updated the OP to be more concise on the goal of this thread. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:05:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Belendur Balfour wrote:First, I have not used the Tactical Assault Rifle in this build yet, I have however been killed by it afair amount. I keep hearing about modded controlers being a problem, however I wouold like a solution to that that would not penalize everyone else too if that is the problem.
Second, the lack of a counter weapon. The Tactical Assault Rifle is a medium range weapon. The counter should be Laser Rifles, and maybe MD and other Tacticals. Fix sites on Lasers, and the damage so that it can do the same amount as the Tactical at the same ranges and that should help. And make the MD able to hit out a bit to keep everyone on their toes. Think this guy hits the nail on the head. At the moment the only real counter are snipers who see them or Forge Gun players blasting at range. I agree with most that they should definitely have a reduce ROF, though not some really low number but obviously lower than full auto rifles. Also though the recoil is quite high and only reduces when kneeling so it is skill and proper play to use them. Players with good gun game are just feasting now. shaman oga wrote:I've tried it, but i don't like it to much.
But there must be a reason of why people started to use it so much, i think they miss sharpshooter and they love the high damage it deals.
I agree with the high damage but it should have the same range of any assault rifle.
I have a question, what means TTK? I believe it is Time To Kill but not a pro at this stuff
It is Time to Kill its a good measurement to see how overpowered a weapon is however most people use it for 1v1 stats typically measure it in 1 v 8 targets (surrounded) stats. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:03:00 -
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If you guys want to post links to what you said before about the TAR I will be fine with it.
Thanks in advanced. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:15:00 -
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Bumping again to keep relative. So far loving the varied feedback keep it coming. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:20:00 -
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quick bump. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:08:00 -
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Real Life is great for inspiration. |
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