Stop off topic posting.
Stop trying to silence the community.
Stop trying to tell me how to do your job.

Not silencing the community. This thread would be 110% okay if it was a community thread. Instead YOU made it a CPM issue, and I must call you on it.

Bottom line CPM is not trying to balance anything, CPM is trying to show CCP there is a need for balance.

The fact that you are trying to single out a weapon as needing balance is you trying to balance something. You may not be handing CCP numbers specifically, but you are calling for something to be done, and using your role as CPM to do that is frankly bullshit in my opinion. If CCP wants a thread, they are fully capable of making one themselves (see: all the stickies in general discussion and the SP cap thread from a while back).

For you to be leveraging your behind-closed-doors time with CCP to balance individual pieces of the game is unfair to others. Members of the CPM have already shown that they either don't play much or don't specialize broadly/deeply enough to have an understanding of how particular items work in which case I wouldn't trust them with being able to separate legitimate from biased feedback coming from the community, while other CPM members have shown a pervasive bias toward other members of the community and would gladly "ruin" items they felt would hurt people they didn't like, in which case the CPM being involved in any hidden balance discussions would be detrimental to the game for the sake of an individual's personal vendetta.

I'm all fine for you to be trying to gather info as a player, but to be using the CPM in the way you have only makes it look like these discussions are happening away from the community, and I am not a fan of the road this is going down. The CPM members, even collectively, are not equipped with the knowledge necessary to make legitimate calls for balance.

I think its too early to discuss the TAR credibly.

I'll post something on topic here:



I think it is too. With hit detection still being questionable, aiming messed up, and range all screwed up, flailing about with balance just because people found a gun that actually works during all the problems is a bad idea.

As a Logistics player who is now painted a bright yellow these guns anger me.

With the recent "range" nerf these guns are the obvious choice. Plus the damge on some of them is rediculous!

I put my Logi to the side after running into squads of these things, it not worth playing Logi imo right now.

I agree this is why I was hesitant to support any MD changes right now outside of phsyically fixing the gun itself before going afte rthe numbers. There are large number of things from uprising too screwy right now.

However when commands like
"Everyone train for TARs" start popping up from various groups there is a need for some concern.

Its not on CCP's mind, this is proactive thought farming right now. Ideas about it may change when things get fixed but its trying to find the tone of the weapon overall.

1. Hit Detection
2. Aim ,
3. Weapon Rangep

However when commands like
"Everyone train for TARs" start popping up from various groups there is a need for some concern.

First off Logi suits are the best combat suits (medium suit wise), second this is an example of how not to give feedback. I don't see how a tac AR would keep you from wanting to heal, rez, and distribute ammo to people. I'm also curious what do you change into when you put your logi down?

First off Logi suits are the best combat suits (medium suit wise), second this is an example of how not to give feedback. I don't see how a tac AR would keep you from wanting to heal, rez, and distribute ammo to people. I'm also curious what do you change into when you put your logi down?

Updated the OP to be more concise on the goal of this thread.

I'm OK with the range of the Tac if the laser range is increased. Looking only at the Tac for "balance" would be a mistake. I think we should look at it's role among the AR weapon group and its roll among the medium-long range weapons group to suitable find it's place.

First, I have not used the Tactical Assault Rifle in this build yet, I have however been killed by it afair amount. I keep hearing about modded controlers being a problem, however I wouold like a solution to that that would not penalize everyone else too if that is the problem.
Second, the lack of a counter weapon. The Tactical Assault Rifle is a medium range weapon. The counter should be Laser Rifles, and maybe MD and other Tacticals. Fix sites on Lasers, and the damage so that it can do the same amount as the Tactical at the same ranges and that should help. And make the MD able to hit out a bit to keep everyone on their toes.

I've tried it, but i don't like it to much.
But there must be a reason of why people started to use it so much, i think they miss sharpshooter and they love the high damage it deals.
I agree with the high damage but it should have the same range of any assault rifle.
I have a question, what means TTK?

Think this guy hits the nail on the head. At the moment the only real counter are snipers who see them or Forge Gun players blasting at range.

I agree with most that they should definitely have a reduce ROF, though not some really low number but obviously lower than full auto rifles. Also though the recoil is quite high and only reduces when kneeling so it is skill and proper play to use them. Players with good gun game are just feasting now.



I believe it is Time To Kill but not a pro at this stuff

I've never been quiet on my dislike of the Tac AR, but it fills a niche that many people love - the marksman. It's no sniper rifle, but it's able to take out reds at a great distance. The problem with the Tac AR is that it is still freaking amazing at CQC, and any failings that it might have are easily covered by making another fit with the same tier of the AR as it is governed by the exact same skill.

There is no trade off to skilling up the AR. You'll have a guaranteed great weapon at all ranges for the price of one skill. No other weapon is able to do that, and makes choices in what you want to do that much more limited.

This problem is then compounded by the Gallente Assault suit, which lets you fit high tier weapons without sacrificing any tank or damage output. This suit also is an armor tanker which is strong against lasers, the only weapon that can compete with the Tac AR for dealing damage at that range.

This puts all those small little advantages in the hands of the Tac AR, coming together to form the new OP (I hate that term too. please keep reading) weapon.

There does need to be a weapon to fill that role, It just shouldn't be in that skill tree.

My recommended course of action would be just to take the Tac AR out of the game. No nerfs to the point of being unplayable, just freaking nuke it and replace it with a new sniper rifle variant with a 25 round magazine and a decent rate of fire while extending the range slightly on the Gallente AR, ideally it's optimal should end where the LR starts. (possibly meaning bringing the LR's optimal in a little bit. but that's another thread)

This would accomplish a few things, namely it would give sniper rifle users the role of the designated marksman again. I can count on one hand how many times I've been shot by a sniper, let alone killed this build. Throw them a bone FFS. Less weapon diversity is the last thing this game needs.

secondly, it would balance out the roles of the various suits a little better. a low capacity weapon would put the Caldari assault in the running for owning the mid-long range game again with the suit specialty (reload bonus, for the uninformed), while letting the laser keep up with that role as it would be able to burn through Caldari shields (though the new variant would outrange the LR by a 10-20 meters), letting the designated marksman decide whether or not to close in and have a weapon that is still formidable in cqc though it doesn't fill that role as well as the AR or HMG.

As far as skill bonuses go, the new variant would still get helped by the sniper rifle op bonus of reduced sway as the rail rifle would have have to get settled in for a moment to balance having a longer range.