One of the skills we had was not updated with the new bonus specifications for it, causing players to believe that it was a powergrid bonus skill when it was intended to reduce the overall CPU usage of powergrid expansion modules instead. Planned for today's hotfix. Planned for today's hotfix.

So what happens to our SP if we put them into dropsuit skills for the damage control mods and shield extenders because we needed access to our gunlogis/other shield tanked vehicles

We should get our SP taken out of the dropsuit skills and should be put into our unallocated SP pool because if not we have to pay more SP for the same skill

Also the vehicle engineering skills we put our SP into that to only find out it wont give us what it said on the tin and will do something completely different will we get our SP back for that also?

In general why the bias to dropsuit core skills? they get 5% to CPU skill and 5% to overall PG but vehicles dont get that 5% PG bonus per level, hell even in EVE your spaceship still have engineering and it gives 5% per level to maximum powergrid

no more insta kills for people with 0 AV skills. I like the changes. I hope it's a typo that the guristas recharge is 16 hp/s on the upgraded. without the recharge it's not worth using.

I might finally be motivated to try the proto lav. Probably still falls apart in front of a tank though.

no more insta kills for people with 0 AV skills. I like the changes. I hope it's a typo that the guristas recharge is 16 hp/s on the upgraded. without the recharge it's not worth using.

I might finally be motivated to try the proto lav. Probably still falls apart in front of a tank though.

Blam, we would all greatly appreciate it if you respond to the community.

Wrong

Hacked EX-0 AV nades still require no skills to use, they will still whack vehicles just as hard but it may take 1 more nade to finish it

No response means they have moved on to the next major mess up and wont get back to us for a Month or so.

Please CCP Cmdr Wang

Consider doing something for the dropships aiming and hp as well.

Personally I would like the dropship to have a neutral hovering position when you let go of the left trigger so instead of the ship slightly moving its just still, that would do worlds for the aiming capabilities imo.

If they implement this, it needs to be something that can be toggled on and off with a binding on the controller. The skilled pilots out there would rage if this was a mandatory feature.

How long would it take you all to program in 25 WP per spawn on MCRU with some kind of cooldown (like remote reps have) or just straight 10 points per spawn with no cooldown? It's been over a year, and you sit here saying you want more engaging vehicle combat, yet you continuously leave us dropship pilots in the dark.

Nah it wouldn't effect the "skilled" players since you'll have to let go of the left trigger for the neutral hovering to take place. Any DS pilot knows right now if you let go of the left trigger there is no telling where you will end up.

So....why the hell did you guys suddenly thought tankers need cpu reduction on pg upgrades. We need PG.
I have vehicle engineering on level 5, 621k sp in total. Level 5 was completely unnecessary....

Please stop changing the damn descriptions of stuff without giving us a refund. This is the second time i got punished by YOUR errors CCP. First with the shield extenders and now with the PG.

Please change the skill so it gives +5% pg for every level. We tankers need the PG.

Going to say this is a bad Idea CCP. Reasons to follow.

First off this will only in the end boost armor vehicles. This will make armor the king of vehicles. Why do I say this. They can skip fitting plates that only give them 3128. But this new 25% buff will actually kind of cover that allowing them to use reppers that give them a total of 6210 hp back.

Looking at shield we have only 2185 for the best extender. The best booster only gives 1640 back on shield HP. The Passive regen is a joke. The passive regen boosting modules are a joke.

You are lowering the powergrid and cpu on vehicles because you want to restrict fittings so people have to make more of a choice.

So what you should be doing is boosting modules and reworking them. This will make you strong in what you fit. Make tanking vehicles easier. This is where the problem lies is the modules.

You also need to make passive regen better. So the modules where not a joke.

I would definitely like an explanation as to why dropships aren't involved in this.....

I am a dropship pilot. please please for the love of CCP and all that is dusty also give dropships some hp! 1,491,420 isk to get shot down by 1 shot from a tank?! and forges can 2 shot us. either that or make the dropships more maneuverable because i dont think i can keep up with this....

WeGÇÖve also resolved an issue where players were able to exploit Armored Assault Pack HAVs because of their large PG reserve to out-tank other players in battle. These fits have been changed to reduce PG and CPU, as well as swap out the Heavy Armor repair on the Creodron Breach HAV for a light Armor Repair unit. Planned for today's hotfix.


CCP Blam!

Exploit?!?!?! If PG was an issue, you should have pulled the pack from the market long ago and reissued it with a different version. The original versions would have been lost via attrition. This bait and switch is not cool, CCP. I bought at least 5 of those Armor Packs over a month ago that are now worthless... Light repper, seriously?!?!?! The AUR tanks are better then the Armor ones... And I can get 66 AUR tanks for what I paid for 40 of the Armor Pack ones.

Exploit?!?!?! If PG was an issue, you should have pulled the pack from the market long ago and reissued it with a different version. The original versions would have been lost via attrition. This bait and switch is not cool, CCP. I bought at least 5 of those Armor Packs over a month ago that are now worthless... Light repper, seriously?!?!?! The AUR tanks are better then the Armor ones... And I can get 66 AUR tanks for what I paid for 40 of the Armor Pack ones.

+1 For some Dropship love. If Swarms are being given a buff in damage, we are going to need it.

How long would it take you all to program in 25 WP per spawn on MCRU with some kind of cooldown (like remote reps have) or just straight 10 points per spawn with no cooldown? It's been over a year, and you sit here saying you want more engaging vehicle combat, yet you continuously leave us dropship pilots in the dark.

I love that you're addressing this and being forthcoming with us, but it's getting pretty ridiculous that you just continuously ignore us when even such a tiny simple change like this would help us tremendously.

Oh...and no added survivability to dropships?

O.o

You guys freaking hate us, don't you? That has to be it.

I am a dropship pilot. please please for the love of CCP and all that is dusty also give dropships some hp! 1,491,420 isk to get shot down by 1 shot from a tank?! and forges can 2 shot us. either that or make the dropships more maneuverable because i dont think i can keep up with this....

Sooooo AV weapons are getting a buff and my python (which costs a million ISK total btw) is getting no HP buff (which it really should seeing how dropships are the singlemost vulnerable vehicle due to the fact that everyone can see us), but free militia LAV's (which don't require a penny of sp or ISK) are?

something is very wrong in that decision making process. my only conclusion is that you have something planned for us dropships, either that or you've decided that dropships shouldn't be a viable role. Or your expecting us to adapt to the usual SNAFU situation we pilots found ourselves in and carry on as normal. Now frankly I've only been flying since January and I've had enough of that, imagine how many of the closed beta pilots feel.

The changes in uprising such as raising of the flight ceiling and new handling were a step in the right direction so thank you for that, but dropships are still missing some very basic and neccasary things like a lock on warning system and countermeasures.

100 % with you on this one . a lock warning and countermesures would be brilliant for pilots also is it just me or has the afterburner module been messed up theres just no boost there for about 5 seconds (life and death) for me as it takes 3 seconds to shoot a charge a forge

LoL.
CCP have no idea what they're doing.

On a related note, with the new active modules change it's too easy to mis-select modules

Aim for 12 oclock, hit 6. This is a result of the new default-to-null modules selection when you let go of the stick. You can't quick-flick lots of modules active fast anymore. Sometimes if you try, the control stick bounces down and hits the opposite module when you release R2

yea i hate that.... sometimes i activate my first hardener just to deactivate it a second later while trying to activate my second one... then i die... thx ccp....

Please CCP Cmdr Wang

Consider doing something for the dropships aiming and hp as well.

Personally I would like the dropship to have a neutral hovering position when you let go of the left trigger so instead of the ship slightly moving its just still, that would do worlds for the aiming capabilities imo.

So how about the times where I'm flying straight down at an objective and leaving my left trigger idle? I'm trying to dive bomb a squad onto an objective (which partially requires zero controller input) and my ship decides, "Oh man, I'd better right myself because my dumbass pilot doesn't know what he's doing right now." Yeah. No.

So....why the hell did you guys suddenly thought tankers need cpu reduction on pg upgrades. We need PG.
I have vehicle engineering on level 5, 621k sp in total. Level 5 was completely unnecessary....

Please stop changing the damn descriptions of stuff without giving us a refund. This is the second time i got punished by YOUR errors CCP. First with the shield extenders and now with the PG.

Please change the skill so it gives +5% pg for every level. We tankers need the PG.

Just raising stats is counterproductive, and will most likely just make HAVs and other vehicles get nerfd again. I think the original stats were supposed to be based around HAV vs HAV action, but now the proto breach forge is back, and it does a lot more damage than any HAV railgun can. Vehicles not only need to be balanced with each other, but they also need to be balanced with AV too.

.

Finally, weGÇÖve had to change shield core upgrades and armour core upgrades skills to resolve an exploit where players could get free bonus hp by entering and exiting a vehicle. Now these respective skills give an overall shield or armor resistance. Planned for next week.



That's it for now, I look forward to hearing your comments and feedback. Thank you.

CCP Blam!

In the mean time, I'd like that 621k SP back as well.

It's more than reasonable.

please dear sweet merciful god do NOT buff militia LAVs.

BLAM,

1. Following uprising vehicle engineering was 5% to vehicle PG. I like many others know how important PG is to the tank and invested 5 points to max out this skill for a total of 600k SP now you change it and the max you need in this skill is 4 to obtain the best PG modules. Where is my refund to this skill so that I can properly put these points into lets say vehicle core upgrades to get the extra PG and CPU or hey what about Armor Plates so I can reduce some of the PG cost of the plates? I feel like you just gave all tankers the Bait and Switch I have invested an enormous amount of my time and personal money to this game and I believe that anyone that has invested into skills you have decided to change deserves refunds for those points or a optional reset of SP so that we can properly put our points into the appropriate skills.

2. Why is it that AV requires little to no investment yet someone with 500,000 SP and a 25,000 Isk fitting can take out someone with 5.5 million SP and 850,000 Isk tank with ease. I have a lot of experience tanking and I like to think that I am very skilled however the only thing that tanks are pushing right now is daisies not the line like they were intended to be used for.

3. Going back to PG. This needs to be increased across the board for all HAVs. Or increase the PG increase for modules.

I hope that these changes can be made sooner than later and that I and all my other tanker brothers will get the option to reset or refund SP invested in skills you have decided to change.

militia lav's are supposed to be the weakest vehicle on the field that are consistently getting spammed, they should be just as easily destroyed as they are to call in. the way it is now they can role over a proximity charge or take a single packed av grenade and roll away before getting finished off. making light anti vehicle roles slightly useless

The Lavs are a joke! Every little bump flips them over. I did a donut yesterday and flipped one. Turn the flipping feature OFF ASAP.

I have no idea why someone decided AV needed a big buff, and I'm guessing that HAVs were balanced around the old AV instead of what has been added. The 10% damage increase to AV with possibly unlimited forge gun range is going to make it even worse.

Going to say this is a bad Idea CCP. Reasons to follow.

First off this will only in the end boost armor vehicles. This will make armor the king of vehicles. Why do I say this. They can skip fitting plates that only give them 3128. But this new 25% buff will actually kind of cover that allowing them to use reppers that give them a total of 6210 hp back.

All vehicle mods take about 5 secs to activate.

Can I attach a cheaper proto breach forge gun as a main turret instead of a proto railgun? Pretty please :D

No response means it's midnight in shanghai right now.

:)

Try to have a little faith.

Is it still midnight?

While I appreciate the direction this kind of feedback is taking, your TTK numbers are highly misleading. Take the top chart for example, and compare the Sica vs breach forge. Your chart says TTK increases from 8.30 to 10.37, when in reality it "changes" from 2 shots to 2 shots. There's bound to be more instances like that where some of these changes are less than if you used a misleading dps stat for your calculations.

Go away with your fancy logic mumbo jumbo. That's not how we do things here.

Going to say this is a bad Idea CCP. Reasons to follow.

First off this will only in the end boost armor vehicles. This will make armor the king of vehicles. Why do I say this. They can skip fitting plates that only give them 3128. But this new 25% buff will actually kind of cover that allowing them to use reppers that give them a total of 6210 hp back.

Looking at shield we have only 2185 for the best extender. The best booster only gives 1640 back on shield HP. The Passive regen is a joke. The passive regen boosting modules are a joke.

You are lowering the powergrid and cpu on vehicles because you want to restrict fittings so people have to make more of a choice.

So what you should be doing is boosting modules and reworking them. This will make you strong in what you fit. Make tanking vehicles easier. This is where the problem lies is the modules.

You also need to make passive regen better. So the modules where not a joke.

Wrong

Hacked EX-0 AV nades still require no skills to use, they will still whack vehicles just as hard but it may take 1 more nade to finish it

as it should

Does no one care that our turrets are not able to shoot when aiming up?

Or am I the only one with this issue?

Or maybe I missed a thread that a Dev has covered this issue already.

They also can't really shoot forward or down or backwards without just hitting the ship and causing you to rock all over the place >_<

How long would it take you all to program in 25 WP per spawn on MCRU with some kind of cooldown (like remote reps have) or just straight 10 points per spawn with no cooldown? It's been over a year, and you sit here saying you want more engaging vehicle combat, yet you continuously leave us dropship pilots in the dark.

I love that you're addressing this and being forthcoming with us, but it's getting pretty ridiculous that you just continuously ignore us when even such a tiny simple change like this would help us tremendously.

Oh...and no added survivability to dropships?

O.o

You guys freaking hate us, don't you? That has to be it.

In case CCP Blam ever graces us with his presence [:roll

It's really fun how often missiles from my own dropship turret hit me in the gallente ships.

Oh wait, the other thing. It's not.

Whoever designed these ships....

... wanted them to die!

Sitting in IRC listening to people tell me dropships are fine is actually infinitely more infuriating than the current state of dropships. I've never rage quit a chat, but I just did. It's always about personal gain with people. "Oh, you knew dropships weren't good, so you're stupid for speccing them". And that is a completely acceptable answer to them, they look at that, and nothing wrong jumps out to them. I went support to SUPPORT, and while I personally can do this thanks to having a large pool of SP and ISK to pull from, new pilots cannot. Basically if you want to be a pilot you have to max out your infantry build first, so that way when you're spending > 50% of the time on ground making ISK to fly your ships, you can actually do descent.

And they want to add Pilot suits? This game is a ******* joke.

CCP Blam, can you at least remove the auto centering of the camera, so you don't have to constantly fight with the ADS to line up a shot?

Shooting ADS is absolute garbage. But is ADS also an acronym for something else in dust now?

Assault dropship lol.

<---- He so kitten mad

I thought i saw people using 'ADS' in a non DS context.

that camera is going to give me carpel tunnel.

Any news on when turret angles are getting fixed??

DOUBLE DROPSHIP HPS end of discussion... i dont have to explain myself take a look at your forums, its littered with rants etc..

DROPSHIPS are outmatched in nearly every single form of engagement on this game.. from the lonely sniper to the ASSAULT FORGE GUN

even small arms fire has the potential to shootdown A DROPSHIP if not take out the gunner rendering the air platform completly useless

IM BEGGING YOU CCP it would definatly enhance the gameplay experiance for the players that dont actually get to kill anything^

half PRICE double HPS



WHOS WITH ME!!!

petition OPEN!

like if you agree :)

And here's an interesting fact, an onikuma(free LAV) has under the new HP buff, 93 more base shield than the python, and only 274 less armour, yes on base stats the free shield LAV is only 181 HP weaker than the 690k ADS.

Dropships: working as intended

The Scout LAVs will now have less HP than Militia LAVs.

Anything that can fly in the air should always have less defense than things that move on the ground. This is the price you pay to be in the air... otherwise you might as well put wings on my tanks.

This is why you pay so much to have a flying vehicle that has more defense than a free non flying one.

Ok so i read that CCP know about the turret problems also they have an issue with the weight of HAV it seems it got switched so Shield HAV have the weight of armour and are really slow acceleration. Armour have the weight of shield and are really quick acceleration. Glad this was a broken mechanic and not intended.

From what I understand.... speed WAS a broken mechanic and now fixed... Armour slows armour down, that's why it's supposed to be faster. Two tanks raced today and they were pretty much even. Haven't noticed any major acceleration buff to armour.

As a former LAV driver, I would like to make a suggestion:

Remove FREE LAVs

Why?

This game should be about consequences and investment...

Players currently use the free LAV to get easy kills by running people over or as a transport without any investment. Heavies use the free LAV to negate their main weakness, their mobility and lack of speed, without any investment of ISK or SP at all.

Yes, these things are useful to infantry, but they are not necessary to play as infantry. These are extra advantages and because of that, they should have a cost.

The pervasiveness of the free LAV has also caused players in better LAV's to become ignored and irrelevant, nobody wants to gun in them because players assume that LAV's are ineffective at killing and fragile. Nobody has to depend on an LAV driver because everybody can get their own for free- it dilutes the teamwork of the game. Players in free LAV's also drive them like they don't care and they crash them into people who actually paid ISK for their own better LAV.

Thanks for reading.

Hi guys, let me provide you guys with provide some feedback on this topic.

1. We are looking at doing re-balancing of our AV weapons. One of the topics, which also seems to be showing through on this thread is to keep a decently long enough range on the forge gun, but also look at the damage decay variable over time on it, optimal ranges, etc. Because agreed, that it is a very potent anti-vehicle weapon and it's not exactly something that is easily countered with countermeasures (see next point). We also don't want the forge gun to be nerfed to the point of feeling ineffective, so a direct reduction of damage output across the board is not going to be the simple answer there.

2. We are also want to get countermeasures in soon, as well as a lock-on warning system for players piloting vehicles that have been locked on to. The lock-on indication will be a graduated indicator so that you will have a decent idea of how imminent your time to impact is and can choose to act accordingly. Furthermore, we're also working on porting lock-on to a certain subset of turrets. This will come in helpful for dropship pilots who are engaged in dogfights, or supporting assaults against ground units.

3. As one of our immediate tasks, we want to look at how we can provide dropship pilots with more chances to earn WP. We have lots of ideas in mind, however we need to tread carefully on this one so that we're not opening up too many opportunities for exploit. Some of the ideas that are bouncing around are providing WP for players spawned into your craft, WP for use of active scanners (possibly more specialized ones), and finding a way to re-introduce WP for remote repairs without exploit.

4. We will be reducing the ISK cost of dropships so that players can get into them more easily, while also looking at the overall skill cost of this class of vehicle.

5. Lastly, we're aware of turret issues that have come up. Many of the improvements needed will require code support to fix lingering bugs as well as further flesh out existing systems. We are currently working on this as our next set of code fixes.

3. As one of our immediate tasks, we want to look at how we can provide dropship pilots with more chances to earn WP. We have lots of ideas in mind, however we need to tread carefully on this one so that we're not opening up too many opportunities for exploit. Some of the ideas that are bouncing around are providing WP for players spawned into your craft, WP for use of active scanners (possibly more specialized ones), and finding a way to re-introduce WP for remote repairs without exploit.

4. We will be reducing the ISK cost of dropships so that players can get into them more easily, while also looking at the overall skill cost of this class of vehicle.

\o/

And like it was said 3 posts above, please just remove free LAVs, free vehicles do not belong in DUST. It's not that hard to skill into them if you want one, and would make transport dropships just that much more relevant.

No do not remove free LAV's and in fact there should be a free version of every vehicle.

Free Dropships, Tanks, Jets, and all future vehicles should have a free version.

If a person likes them then they can decide to skill further into them, just like the dropsuite classes.

What could go wrong!

What couldn't is the basic answer.

Your no fun!

Sissy La La.

I forget the name of the build, but you're giving me horrible flashbacks; free vehicles...free vehicles everywhere....

LAV's tend to do well, me and bono the mighty/hunter junko used to cruise around in bojos attack methana fit last build, we regularly hit 700-800wp each a match, cause they were closer to the ground they had the advantage of cover, and you get the whole road kill thing too. Still haven't tried it out this build so I don't know how things would turn out.

Free LAVs make the sky a VERY dangerous place to be.

The moment I start shooting at infantry they start spamming LAVs and the sky fills with RDVs. Five or six of those and I am forced to leave the area. They are just too good a form of free AV. The user doesn't have to spend a single SP or ISK, or sacrifice a single CPU or PG point or suit slot to field the most effective anti-DS weapon in the game.

Charge for them and the players may think twice before calling in a half dozen.

LAV's tend to do well, me and bojo the mighty/hunter junko used to cruise around in bojos attack methana fit last build, we regularly hit 700-800wp each a match, cause they were closer to the ground they had the advantage of cover, and you get the whole road kill thing too. Still haven't tried it out this build so I don't know how things would turn out.

its possible to get 1200-1900 a game just as a LAV driver and nothing else.. done it many times since the update so LAVs are much more usefully in the right hands and much more easy to recover the cost if you do lose one in a match, this is without HAVs showing up thou.

so, they heavy is getting nerfed again by reducing a 25% bonus to shiellds and armor to a 10% resist bonus to both insted.....know what benifits most from that? assault suits....way to go

Or am I reading this wrong?

- Source -

- Updated all HAV and LAV HP Values (please post your feedback here): STD & Militia HAVs - 25% more HP, Enforcer HAVs and Militia LAVs - 60% more HP, STD & Scout LAVs - 50% more HP, Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more HP, Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more HP

- Shield and armor upgrades skills were changed from maximum shield/armor bonus to shield/armor resistance to vehicles (please post your feedback here) - +5% maximum armor/shield -> +2% resistance to shield/armor per level

So if I'm seeing this correctly, depending on how you've skilled yourself, you could be losing up to 25% HP off of both your shields and your armor, for only 10% resist, which is technically even less than that if you run resistance modules.

Since dropships didn't receive an HP buff, they actually have had a reduction?

Umm...

LoL.
CCP have no idea what they're doing.

so, they heavy is getting nerfed again by reducing a 25% bonus to shiellds and armor to a 10% resist bonus to both insted.....know what benifits most from that? assault suits....way to go

Optional skill point respec:
Due to upcoming changes to the Skill Tree progression system we will be offering players an one time option to send a petition to our customer support staff via http://dust514.com/beta/support/ and request a character skill point respec. This offer will be available once changes to the Skill Tree progression system is deployed to the Tranquility server and we will keep you posted on the date of that deployment. To obtain an skill respec, you will need to send a ticket to our customer support staff via the official DUST 514 website at http://dust514.com/beta/support/ or send an e-mail to [email protected], specifically requesting a skill reset. When doing so please title your request "Skill Respec".

Give us a 10% PG/lvl passive skill. We should be able to equip as many of any module as we want, just like infantry. Please increase PG and CPU or reduce the PG/CPU cost of modules/turrets.

Basic you gave standard/MLT Tanks 25% HP bonus but then you took it away by removing the 25% shield and armor bonus. So really this is a net loss. Tanks are still super nerfed, with the incredible low amount of PG Tanks now have.

NTM Turrets still cannot do damage to anything no on the same level as them.

Give us a 10% PG/lvl passive skill. We should be able to equip as many of any module as we want, just like infantry. Please increase PG and CPU or reduce the PG/CPU cost of modules/turrets.

Tanks are getting too powerful again. IF they are going to be as strong as they were , they need to have a driver and a gunner. It makes no sense to me that tank drivers think they should be able to go 20 and zero every map. Any AV infantry needs to be able to kill any tank. As it is now tanks are still controlling the battle field. Tanks do not need to be indestructible.

Tanks are getting too powerful again. IF they are going to be as strong as they were , they need to have a driver and a gunner. It makes no sense to me that tank drivers think they should be able to go 20 and zero every map. Any AV infantry needs to be able to kill any tank. As it is now tanks are still controlling the battle field. Tanks do not need to be indestructible.

im so tired of hearing this. plenty of infantry go 20-0 in a match but the minute its a tank and not an ar somethings broken and we have to try our best to make sure tanks break again

Tanks are getting too powerful again. IF they are going to be as strong as they were , they need to have a driver and a gunner. It makes no sense to me that tank drivers think they should be able to go 20 and zero every map. Any AV infantry needs to be able to kill any tank. As it is now tanks are still controlling the battle field. Tanks do not need to be indestructible.

Lolz! It's pilot skill, ISK, and strategy that make this game mechanic work in EVE... It's kind of a big deal, and it is important that it remains in place. Advantages and marginal gains in combat derive from fitting strategy and team tactics... So, no, you shouldn't be able to "fit what you want."

i fit what i want in EVE. so youre wrong

EDIT: let's nerf the PG on dropsuits and see how they like it

Just in case you guys missed it, they nerfed vehicles again.... all of our turret skills had their damaged reduced from 3% per level to 1% per level.

CCP... you guys are ridiculous.

Bump! So true. We should be getting more than they do BC, idk, we're tanks!

The thing is it takes more skill to do it as infantry. Tank players want to be lazy and sit in a few thousand Armour and shields and kill soft infantry with large turrets. When tankers do take damage they just back up into the red zone and heal. Tanks in this game are for the unskilled eve players that cant handle twitch gameplay. All other real mixed infantry games require gunners and drivers.

Honestly, a Militia LAV should not survive more than a single AV granade, otherwise this game will become a stupid carmagedon.

im a vehicle guy and its the most fun ive had since they have nerfed tanks to oblivion.

BTW I checked the spreadsheet #s, and I think you forgot that heavies can use damage mods, and more than a tank.

Also, the "every shield railgun HAV uses 3x dmg mods" was a myth spread around by TERRIBLE players. I'm guessing the armor tankers went, "omg I just died, he must be using 3dmg mods derp". Just check out caeli's railgun damage thread.

Part of the problem seems to be that you're balancing the game around STD AV. Why are there only standard weapons on your spreadsheet? I know some use it in pub games, but in corp battles many players use PRO AV. I hope you were not looking at STD tanks vs STD AV, because the STD HAV has better survivability than the Enforcer class.

If you want to balance the PRO HAV vs PRO AV, that is fine, but until then we need a HAV that can stand up to PRO AV.

that's the thing, I have had many conversations with Caeli about vehicle balancing in dust, He posts what we talk about and it gets ignored. I have no clue who the hell CCP is listening to for their vehicle feedback.

I especially like the part where most of his post about vehicles is complaining about forge guns.


Seriously though. We know stuff is broken. But we need actual goodposts to shove in CCP's face about it. You don't honestly want 6 people just saying "This is what -I- think CCP. DO MY BIDDING" and arguing amongst themselves, do you?

There's an obvious imbalance between vehicles and AV. CCP acknowledged this to us, and they want to fix it. If you want it done right... start making those posts. Good posts, with actual numbers and details on how the typical vehicle/AV plays out are what CCP needs to to make it right

EDIT: For the record, I've been skilled into vehicles every build and reset for over a year now :)

Thing is, a FREE vehicle should not be this deadly, imo, you can buff all the other vehicles, but the miltia must go with a single nade.

Someone do math!

:D

I remember that.

Here's where Iron Wolf Saber tells us that the CPM is hard at work on vehicles. The CPM is not trying to increase vehicle survivability or PG, the CPM is hard at work trying to fix vehicles by getting rid of turret damage skills.

Apparently, the CPM believes that vehicles are fine, it's turret damage that is the problem.


UPDATE: CPM mission accomplished, vehicles have been fixed!

Do not fear citizens of **** eden! The CPM got CCP to listen to them and have nerfd your turret damage skills! Large turret OP, which used to give 3% dmg per skill, now only gives 1% after a recent patch! Thanks for your feedback in this thread. It has been completely ignored, along with everything else that you have posted.

edit: Here is another link to my thread. All of the feedback given by the players seems to be ignored. I do not see where the majority of the players ask CCP to nerf vehicle turret damage skills. Is there some way the players, themselves, can give feedback to CCP? The CPM is obviously not the way to go.

Why was railgun damage nerfd so hard? An Ishukone forge gun has higher DPS than the prototype railguns.

I understand attempting to balance HAV vs HAV combat, but a handheld weapon should not be able to out DPS a large railgun on a HAV. You nerfd HAV's survivability, you nerfd HAV damage, and you just gave forge guns a buff.


edit: can the devs hurry up with the respec requests? I have no reason to play this game anymore. At least let me spec into something useful that won't get **** on every build/patch so I have some incentive to reinstall Dust and come back.

There's not going to be a new FPS coming out until the PS4. There is a good chance you might be able to get people to try this game again if you can fix stuff first. Why are you listening to people who enjoy the game instead of those who do not? If you're happy with the current number of players that would be reasonable, but if you'd like to get some of those people who deleted this game after downloading it, stuff has to change, and fast.

Honestly, a Militia LAV should not survive more than a single AV granade, otherwise this game will become a stupid carmagedon.

People that spec into AV weapons don't seem to have trouble with MLT LAVs...

Rate of HAV is too fast
Status quo, HAV is hard to fast and top
Weapon is too poor

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Rate of HAV is too fast
Status quo, HAV is hard to fast and top
Weapon is too poor

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i fit what i want in EVE. so youre wrong

EDIT: let's nerf the PG on dropsuits and see how they like it

We need proto and adv tanks...AND JUST GET RID OF THE ENFORCERS. we dont need them.

As a former LAV driver, I would like to make a suggestion:

Remove FREE LAVS

The pervasiveness of the free LAV has also caused players in better LAV's to become ignored and irrelevant, nobody wants to gun in them because players assume that LAV's are ineffective at killing and fragile. Nobody has to depend on an LAV driver because everybody can gets their own for free- it dilutes the teamwork of the game. Players in free LAV's also drive them like they don't care and they crash them into people who actually paid ISK for their own better LAV.

Thanks for reading.

yeah i dont knwo what CCP is planning to do about vehicles but right now you can get a swarm launcher that does 330 per rocket with a total of 6 rockets equaling to 1980 damage per shot with a boost to armor tanks

while my armor tank has
2x.25 hardeners
1x.09 hybrid hardener
.10 armor resist from the armor upgrades skill
best armor extender currently in game
best armor repair currently in game with the repair skill maxed

my tank could not repair the damage from one guy with a proto swarm launcher who invested maybe 700k SP total

can some one explain to me why this is allowed to happen?

not only that but lately most people that have come to try and destroy my tank arent even using forge guns or swarm launchers they are using av nades

they think they are so powerful that they will risk their PROTO suits and their 3 AV nades to take me out when the most it does is take me to like 1000 HP

and i dont feel like this is correct at all both of these things happened in my last match and just felt like broken balance neither of these utilized any form of team coordination but both dealth extreme amount of damage

compared to when my tank got destroyed in the same match to a combination of precision strike and militia swarm launcher that was balanced it was team work taking advantage of me not moving while trying to give my team a heads up with an active scanner