I guess I just don't know what CCP's vision of the Heavy is. I mean, yes, everyone should be free to use the suit as they want within the intended role for it.

Look at Eve, you are free to fit each ship there however you like within certain criteria (no MJD on anything aside from BS, no CovOps Cloaks on ships that aren't designated for it). If you want to fit blasters on your Rifter, go ahead, do it, it'll be silly and less than optimally effective but you can do it.

The different suit frames are the same as the different ship classes in Eve. You wouldn't use a BS as fast tackle just like you wouldn't use a frigate as an 200km alpha sniper. You can still fit the ships the way you want within their class/role and it should be the same here.

We have Assault suits, they're the suits that should be the "I'm a frontline soldier pressing the attack", the Heavys should bring up the rear and defend the gains taken by the Assault suits; freeing them up so that they can run off and (wait for it......) Assault another objective.

Heavies need to be distinctly Heavies, not simply the Crutch-specialized Assault suit. While I agree that some of the changes you are requesting are sorely needed to help set the Heavy apart, a buff to the movement speed is just a veiled plea to be the Crutch-specialized Assault suit.

Crutch-specialized Assault Suit:

Heavies who are used (in large majority) by scrubs who want to run around and do Assault suit things (i.e. Squad Vanguard) with the added EHP of the Heavy dropsuit. They will often (though not always) fit light weapons as well as neglecting tank fittings for DPS/Mobility fittings since they wish they were an Assault suit though don't want to use the Assault suit where they'd need to fit tank to get comparable EHP to what they get with a basic Heavy. They seek to obsolesce the Assault suit through their desire to do everything the Assault suit can do, only better due to increase EHP (not counting the other changes they propose such as marginally less movement speed than Assault suits, higher turn speed, small arms fire resists etc).

I have now defined what I mean by "Crutch-specialized Assault Suit".

Heavies need to be distinctly Heavies, they should be the primary Defensive dropsuit choice where the Assault should be the primary Offensive dropsuit choice. Heavies shouldn't obsolesce the Assault suit by being only marginally less capable in most areas than the Assault suit with massive advantages over it (which is what many heavies are begging for from what I've read).

When there are no more Assaults running around because they're all in Heavies, don't say I didn't warn you.

I guess you'll all enjoy it when this game is nothing but scrubs running around in Heavy suits claiming they're good when they'd suck without those crutches under their arms.

dude have you ******* seen caladri assaults shield tanking. some of them get more EHP than a heavy at 914 ehp.

so not only do they have 5 times the mobility of a heavy, but now they have the same or higher ehp. why would anyone use a heavy suit unless they have an hmg or forgun? and even at that those guns are laughable

Very true

When there are no more Assaults running around because they're all in Heavies, don't say I didn't warn you.

I guess you'll all enjoy it when this game is nothing but scrubs running around in Heavy suits claiming they're good when they'd suck without those crutches under their arms.

lol

man you must be new around here. You're saying people gonna switch to heavy AWAY from the assault class??? Oh boy...

That will never happen.

Funny argument though, gave me a chuckle thinking about so many heavies running around

I feel sorry for the heavies running around now

ikr

I'm really happy i spent some SP into getting a medium suit for pubs. I still bring out the heavy + hmg now and then in pubs but Assault suit is where my bread and butter is in pubs.

Heavies just need teamwork (Logibros still make them invincible)
However, the HMG is a joke, now that I've tried it.

dude have you ******* seen caladri assaults shield tanking. some of them get more EHP than a heavy at 914 ehp.

so not only do they have 5 times the mobility of a heavy, but now they have the same or higher ehp. why would anyone use a heavy suit unless they have an hmg or forgun? and even at that those guns are laughable

@Lance

No, I'm not new around here, been here over a year now.

Yes, I am definitively stating right now that if the Heavies are buffed the way D legendary hero keeps asking for in his thread as well as everywhere else that he's able, EVERYONE able to will stop using other suits for even just the basic heavy frames. I actually do want the Heavies to be something unique and worthwhile to play, however I don't think that making them the uber-assault suit that you all apparently want is the way to do it.

BTW, I'm done arguing about this, I hope you get what you want and then I'll laugh as you all realize how ****** this makes the game.

sentinels are defensive.

Heavies are heavies.

Let's kick some doors in.

Edit: And D Legendary Hero's bad ideas are bad. He should feel bad.

that is all.

Send your tribute to me, (the King of Heavies), within the next week.

What tiers are you comparing?

PRO Assault to STD Heavy?

I also think you mean PRO Caldari Logi, I've seen tons more of them than the Caldari Assaults, though still not as many as I have seen Heavies (any tier) followed by free suits (usually tweaked starter fits). You're also exaggerating the mobility gap.

@Lance

No, I'm not new around here, been here over a year now.

Yes, I am definitively stating right now that if the Heavies are buffed the way D legendary hero keeps asking for in his thread as well as everywhere else that he's able, EVERYONE able to will stop using other suits for even just the basic heavy frames. I actually do want the Heavies to be something unique and worthwhile to play, however I don't think that making them the uber-assault suit that you all apparently want is the way to do it.

BTW, I'm done arguing about this, I hope you get what you want and then I'll laugh as you all realize how ****** this makes the game.

It's playable now.

you are D Legendary Hero, please teach me how to play heavy

bro you obviously have never played heavy.

when im playing against people who arent shield tanking and are within spitting distance, i get good games 20+ on average if im rolling with a squad. problem is, my heavy suits gets stomped out by dudes in medium gear with the same ehp nad higher mobility. that should never heappen ever.

now go to a corner and think about your life.


nothing ever should be able to stand infront of a minigun and out gun it. with zero tactics involved. and this happens far to often.
if being heavy was so great everyone would do it. the only heavies i see are people either:
a. trying it out for the first time (quickly learning not to do it
-OR-
b. they already invested too much sp in it and want it fixed.


people who say heavies are playable are normally the snipers or AR users who are glad they dnt have to worry about heavies. snipers because heavies are easy points, and AR users because heavies right now are no threat. try again bro

Hi - not only are they playable - there down-right mean when in skilled hands. (And I'm pretty sure Breakin Stuff would walk all over you in a heavy suit).

What's the secret to the heavy suit? Logi-LAV / Forge-gun with SMG side arm and flux nades. Nothing will stop you unless a couple of dedicated AV want to risk there lives tryin' to catch you ;) And I don't even use proto in pub matches because I got sick of mail sayin' I'm a proto pub stomper with the noob cannon. Lol

I still think not

get good warlord. Maybe you're not eating enough bacon?