We just need more heavy weapons. I'm starting to thing that the whole HMG issue is centered around it being scaled with light weapons when it shouldn't.

Keep it up, maybe CCP will FINALLY realize that the heavy really is UP vs medium suits. CCP could just remove some of the high and low slots of the medium suits. That would might fix the whole problem. Give medium suit a max of 5 high and low medium slots per top tier suit. That might at least make the heavy as weak as in Chromosome when heavies weren't great but definitely not as bad as now. Then again, we had an HMG with good enough range to shoot someone from 20m out as well.

We just need more heavy weapons. I'm starting to thing that the whole HMG issue is centered around it being scaled with light weapons when it shouldn't.

we're loved in PC as it is - but it's no fun sitting city side waiting for a push that won't come. Camping is dull and not having access to 3/5 objectives because our weapon has no reach is utter crap. If we do anything but stay in city limits we turn into large moving targets of LOL WHY YOU HERE?

I'm not entirely certain how adding more weapons to the game down the road which can potentially kill our HMG'r is going to help it.


Then again, honestly... my biggest problem right now is that we are slow and a huge target. We have no movement, and thanks to Uprising we cannot aim properly to track faster targets. But its not really difficult to track us, even with the messed up aim system.

So anyone with a medium frame or smaller has a massive unintended advantage on top of our intended drawbacks.

It's a ****** situation.

So the HMG is a sidearm now

I like you

I can't shake the feeling that you are patronizing me.

why would you slow down a heavy, thats like speeding up a scout...

the heavy is already slow it needs to be faster (not as fast as any of the other suits, but definately much faster)

Agreed

Agreed

CCP said they are going to look at the numbers and see how they balance the HMG from there...IF they decide to re-balance.

In any case, there's less heavies now than EVER before. People switched. If you're still running heavy after a day, I feel for ya. It's the most frustrating thing I've ever come across in this game. Creating a generic Assault class finally made me realize why my corpmates were having fun.

I was playing and hearing them laugh and have fun, while I was there frustrated as hell and thinking "how dafuq are you guys having fun?!!! this sucks!"

Sure enough, I changed my class, and fun was had. Funny. I hope CCP gets some numbers from the few remaining heavies out there, cuz I'll hardly ever use my suit and HMG, and I'm sure others have switched roles as well.

this is STILL ALIVE!?!?!

Yea well I see they up`d the dmg but the dispersion is still sick, can we not get a skill that makes the circle and dispersion smaller with each level? That would be ideal

I'll agree that the turn speed should be increased, though I still feel that they should have movement speed of a stump.

Once they give us MTACs, then you can have your high-mobility Infantry (well as Infantry as a Mech can be) tank.

I do have to say that I really, really want the ability to collect helmets so that when we do get MTACs I can spend AUR on having a "grass skirt" for my MTAC that consists of steel cable with PRO helmets at the ends.

this is STILL ALIVE!?!?!

No way stump speed never

Ok, so maybe I used the wrong analogy, however, nerfed movement speed is the only way to balance the proposed "I act like a bollard", I'm not saying that they should be totally immobile, though they should have MORE difficulty getting around. I really do want them to be buffed with HP, turn speed and whatnot; though they should move much less faster than they currently do.

They should be the Jason Vorhees of the battlefield, painfully slow, unrelenting and out for blood. As it is right now, they're not this, they're still too fast.

I've faced off against many, many heavies today (seemed like 90% of my deaths were heavies) and I was even run down by one on foot, how the **** does that happen?

Heavies need to be more distinct from Assault, I've seen too many people using Heavies as though they were Assault suit, this shouldn't even be an entertained thought.

I'm not understanding what you want...

Heavies are slower now than they've EVER been. If you got ran down by a heavy, then the joke's on you tbh. You didn't run far enough.

People should be free to use the suit as they want. Playing a heavy shouldn't be a "DEFEND ALONE! NO ATTACK FOR YOU!" role. The speed of the heavy, and the range of the HMG is what determines the limits of the class / role. People need stop pigeon holing the class.

Heavies are slow enough, and tbh, they SHOULD be a little quicker, especially in the turning department, but all we have is the Amarr suit, so maybe another race will be faster with less HP.

Played literally a couple matches, but got enough kills and deaths to figure out it's "role".

Basically 1-10m you're main enemy is the shotgun. The HMG is effective in this range, and with concentrated fire, you'll get the kill. I faced Militia Assault all the way up to Proto Suits. Up close the proto assault poses a clear threat, but in most cases a good player would either run away, or kill you.

Shotgun? Allot trickier. Because of the optimal range on the HMG, which the numbers might say is 15m, it feels more like 10m, by the time the shotgun gets in HIS range, it might be too late to take him out. Especially if he's shield tanking.

MD's? Clear winner against HMG's. You can't get close enough, fast enough is basically the problem. The range on the HMG doesn't allow for keeping people's heads down.

Past 10m going into 15m is where things get hazy. At this range it takes ALLOT of bullets to take down Adv suits, even suits that have taken damage. Not because of damage, well tbh a little, but the BULLET SPREAD. Nerfing the range, but not buffing the horrible bullet spread makes it a tripple nerf imo. Dmg, range, and not touching the bullet spread.

15m-20m range, it's more like farting against thunder at this point. If you wanna feel like you're doing something or if someone is really weak, yeah. Spray in the direction and hope you get and assist or better yet a kill.

Now being a heavy myself, i try to be as objective as possible. I'm aware we got a buff in HP, and tbh, it's needed with the amount of bullets required to kill. We go down just as easy with team fire as we did before.. Nothing changed there. I'm also aware we got our prices reduced, but one can argue every class got their prices reduced.

Does the price drop make a difference? My Adv set up is 60k+ ISK. Adv suit + Adv HMG. + complex extenders. If you die more than 3 times, which is VERY LIKELY, your profit margin is slim to none. You can try running cheaper fits, but that means your killing efficiency and your chances of staying alive longer drops. It's looking like a high risk, low reward atm.

ONLY way to make your heavy set up profitable, is to have a Logi player tied around your neck.

Personally, I would like to see a buff in either range, dmg, or bullet spread. The effect of these things put together makes the HMG feels like a toy gun.

People always bring up the argument that HMG are suppose to be used as a supportive role. Well, how can we support with no range? How can we help with low dmg, and how can we keep people's head down with a bullet spread as bad as it is now?

As always, opinions, and arguments for / against are welcomed. Keep the trolling to a minimum please.


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They lowered the dispersion by 5%, which made a world of difference. 1-10m is no problem, 10-20m is where you'll notice the spread. Tbh, I like where the HMG is now compared to the start of Uprising.

If CCP would remove the range hard cap, then HMG would be allot better. Hopefully the spread doesn't increase as range increases. The dmg should drop off, not the spread increase + dmg drop off.

But we'll see.

I'm not understanding what you want...

Heavies are slower now than they've EVER been. If you got ran down by a heavy, then the joke's on you tbh. You didn't run far enough.

People should be free to use the suit as they want. Playing a heavy shouldn't be a "DEFEND ALONE! NO ATTACK FOR YOU!" role. The speed of the heavy, and the range of the HMG is what determines the limits of the class / role. People need stop pigeon holing the class.

Heavies are slow enough, and tbh, they SHOULD be a little quicker, especially in the turning department, but all we have is the Amarr suit, so maybe another race will be faster with less HP.