He meant the vanilla rail rifle. :)

Breach shoots too damn slow
I was using it yesterday on my gko commando, don't get me wrong its a great weapon for shield but if your trying to take down a Amor suit. Your gona be there a while
The tac is good but it requires a good trigger finger to use

Objections to the nades aren't about how it was handled by having progression only affect blast radius, our objection is that everyone and their mother who carries even a basic nade will now have two 600 damage thunder nuggets in their pocket. We figured, (when this idea has been asked for before) that they would normalize damage to around the advanced tier, something like 450 damage.

As it stands with the new changes, even a milita nade will do old core damage.

Which is goddamned bonkers if you ask me.

A few things worry me :

The gal RoF bonus seems too good, and keep in mind it will buff variants such as the breach and the tactical that don't need a buff. It will also buff shotguns.

Reducing turn radius of swarm is actually a buff, it allows you to shoot around corners. I can't count the number of times a vehicle tried to escape behind something and my swarms turned so quickly they hit the obstacle. With reduced turn radius they'll get around and hit the vehicule.

Range nerf to ACR... Why? It already performs poorly after 50m

Magsec buff is a bit too much, half the damage buff would seem more adapted

I like the rest

I agree. Shotguns need to be buffed. Dunno if you play pcs. Last pcs i played were full of bons shotgun users and it was impossible to use a proto shotgun. It will be a lot easier now to kill those officer fags ;)

That's not the impression I have about the breach and the tactical but if you say so I trust you as you have access to much more data.
However seems unfair when you look at the galmando : 25% ROF bonus means 25% extra DPS vs 10% for the commando...

Magsec OP.

Trust me. Making the proto magsec dish out current officer stats is insane. I use this thing religiously as my sidearm, only sidearm I'm skilled into. I've been ghosting on the forums until i saw this.

Please, do not buff the magsec. It's already a powerful sidearm once skill is invested. I know one person isn't much to say what will be balanced but this is too much at once. Either charge time or damage, not both.. And I suggest a lower increase to the damage aswell

I said buff one or the other, not both charge and damage.

Also along with the kick skill from calAssault, it's a 3x buff basically.

I know tons of people who use the magsec effectively. A proto magsec, at prof 5 it's nearly equivalent to an SL-4 (base damage) in your pocket, while having higher rof than the ARR.

I just feel like it's too much at once for the thing. Like sure it could be trash to you, but doing so much at once is a little rash imho

Fairly certain kick reduction is rifles only.

I said buff one or the other, not both charge and damage.

Also along with the kick skill from calAssault, it's a 3x buff basically.

I know tons of people who use the magsec effectively. A proto magsec, at prof 5 it's nearly equivalent to an SL-4 (base damage) in your pocket, while having higher rof than the ARR.

I just feel like it's too much at once for the thing. Like sure it could be trash to you, but doing so much at once is a little rash imho

Fairly certain kick reduction is rifles only.

No it say's Railgun per level, so it'll effect the SMG and sniper rifle too I suppose. Sorry for Double Post.

^ Yop, Magsec will be OP. It'll bring some "new" weapons in the battlefield which isn't that bad !

Not nearly as much as an SL-4 a standard model ARR with a few damage mod's, sure, but NO where near the SL-4, perhaps at proto level, but even then it requires at least a damage mod or 2 to get that level of damage, even with profile damage, cause you have to remember, you're going to be shooting further than 40meter's with this gun, meaning to get efficient kills, you need to be stacking a number of damage mod's to even remotely kill at 60 meter's, simply because it's damage is practically the same as the AR and the fact that it has a much slower rate of fire than the AR, (which is why said rifle will always beat the magsec going head to head).

I understand your concern's, but I don't feel like it's going to be a bad thing in the long run, since many other gun's, every rifle especially, can kill most targets in a matter of second's anyway.

It surpasses the SL-4 w/o damage mods on armor. (this is not including prof on the ARR)

Alright, let's use the kaal vs SL-4 (since i remember the values from the top of my head)

Kaal: 34.1 damage.
SL-4: 40 damage.

Kaal at prof 5: 34.1*1.25 = 42.625 damage.
SL-4 at prof 0, damage profile included: 40*1.1 = 44 damage.

However, i said at base damage (40). The difference is 2.625 damage. Nevertheless, the magsec has a faster RoF than the ARR. This is why i say the pro magsec surpasses the adv ARR.

Now, i don't remember the RoF off the top of my head (cannot calculate dps then) but for a sidearm it hits with results comparable to the SL-4. Only lacking in range (approx 30 meters less)

Knowing the pro magsec will do officer level damage (37.4) let's do it again.

Kaal vs SL-4
Kaal damage: 37.4
SL-4 damage: 40

Kaal damage at prof 5: 37.4*1.25 = 46.75
SL-4 damage comparable to Kaal damage (prof 2) 40 * 1.16 = 46.4 damage.

The kaal at prof 5 will now surpass an Ishu w/o prof.

Along with faster RoF, i believe it will become OP.

I see where you are coming from though, nevertheless.

Edit: damage falloff begins around 44 meters, after about 55 damage attenuation is too high (56% efficiency against shield). (imo, people could say otherwise about it's effective range)

I'm saying for a sidearm it's very effective already. I'm not exactly saying "magsec > ARR" there's just nothing else to compare it to. I'm well aware this is a sidearm I'm comparing to a light weapon. So the obvious thing of range being worse -- is pretty apparent.

You do have a point though, paper doesn't equal reality... But going off CCP overdoing things sometimes, i feel doing both charge time and a significant damage increase is too much at once.

I feel like it's one or the other, then if it doesn't work out add both.

In the end, i guess we can only wait and see. Once it's in, we'll discuss again? :D

Is it confirmed now that the SL maneuverability parameter that was tweaked from 90 to 70 [units] and is proposed to be tweaked to 50 in Foxfour is indeed "max rotation [-¦]"?

If so I'll crosscheck this with my simulations in the next few days. Shouldn't be too hard. I still find it a very weird design parameter.

[Edit]
Current SLs don't seem to adhere to this:
- Lock on to a static LAV.
- Launch missiles in the opposite direction.
- SL missiles will perform a full 180-¦ turn.
- Foxfour design sheet says current maximum rotation is 70-¦.

I won't be able to give any feedback until this is resolved.