No, but def not enough.

Recharge is just a small part of the issue. Like, have you ever tried fitting a reg to a gunnie? What happens when you do so? And is it worth it over what you lose.

This buff will have nearly no noticeable affect on their performance.

Will help Gunlogi recover faster in redline which is likely where the Madrugers will also be... I guess it's time to start asking for raill range buffs to have something to do back there....

Lol, you assume gunlogi only rail from the redline, I use a gunlogi with a large blaster right in the enemy's faces , id take a shield booster over a regulator any day

Any Info as to wether SKINification is to be continued for Amarr Templar suits (AM-M, AM-H), Dragonfly suits (GA-L, CA-M), MN-M Sever, general Proto Suit SKINs and all other APEX/LP suits (especially the Amarr Seraph golden SKIN) ?
And still no info on Amarr heavy (AV or not) weaponry? Rattati, please speak...

Any word about a av laser rifle variant?

Hmm just thought would the explosion from a just destroyed vehicle kill the guy that melee it? . You can die from knifing a tank to death so y not melee. As with melee you have to be 1.5 meters from it

I am going to use proto fits, because they have the ranges and sliders that tell you what damage any given weapon does at what range.

Lets take a look at the Opimal ranges and damages of both

A Rail Rfile is 75m, effective range is 100m, We are concerned with 150m and Prototype stats.

Damage 75m : 397 base DPS, per round 51.70
Damage 100m: 139.19 base DPS, per round does 18.09
Damage at 150m: 92.8 base DPS, per round does 12.06 damage.
vs shields 10.86

Scrambler rifle:

Damage 75m : 715 base DPS, per round 71.5
Damage 100m: 243.75 base DPS, per round does 24.38
Damage at 150m: 92.8 base DPS, per round does 16.25 damage.
vs shields 22.43

At 150, sure you can be hit and take damage.

Compared to swarm fits:
412 (base shield) Minandos, at 150m Kalikiota RR needs 37.75 consecutive hits to break your shields,
Viziam needs 18.36

Calmandos (500 base shield) Kalikioota RR needs 46 consecutive hits to break shields Viziam needs 22.2 consecutive hits to break shields.

Whitout counting armor, both prototype weapons have to stop to either reload or deal with overheat. Thats if they hit you with every single shot they fire from 150m. Thats plenty of warning to stop looking at the sky.

At 150m, I think you are going to be alright from the troops. If anything I would be more worried about HAVs, who can sit still, take punishment and thier gunners have time to sight you. But only slightly worried.

which is why swarms are also included in the weak spot increase for HAVs

Question: Can you add some kind of feedback to hitting a weak spot?
Headshot kills give a sound effect and increased WP.
Maybe there could be a "fuell cell/bottom/etc. vehicle damage" WP reward instead of the ordinary "vehicle damage" reward upon hitting the weakspot?
The weakpoints of vehicles are one of those mechanics that the game really doesn't go out of its way to explain, and this kind of feedback would really help in learning the interaction without constantly lurking the forums.

Also, I'm not a dedicated AV guy, but I kind of wonder how likely it is to accurately heat the weak spot of an HAV with a swarmer. In my experience, the hills are an important piece of cover in that matchup and indirect fire is king.
Then again, it wouldn't be easy with a forge gun, either, unless the HAV is retreating.

Also, I'm not a dedicated AV guy, but I kind of wonder how likely it is to accurately heat the weak spot of an HAV with a swarmer. In my experience, the hills are an important piece of cover in that matchup and indirect fire is king.
Then again, it wouldn't be easy with a forge gun, either, unless the HAV is retreating.

I completely agree. That also wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Let's say we're on the Bridge Map. The enemy is pushing across the bridge, aided by a red line rail tank, and a blaster tank on the far side of the bridge. The tanks may be within my new 150m range, but his infantry buddies are much closer than that. The more I fall back to avoid infantry, the worse my line of sight is on either vehicle. You would have to be in pretty ideal conditions to just sit back at 150m and fire off swarms. That would be more of a rooftop camper concern than a swarmer on the ground, trying to keep a tank back while his teammates fight off infantry.

Does that make more sense? I hate trying to convey things via text sometimes...

1/10 learn to troll better.

So in nerfing swarm range YET AGAIN, when it badly needed a buff to be able to hit... anything even remotely airborne.... swarms can now only be used against dropships that are parked. Which you are standing next to?

Gal/Cal receive huge buff while the Amarr get double nerfed..... one nerf would have been enough but now it will have four times the kick after each consecutive shot? am I supposed to tap the trigger every two seconds to avoid the unnecessary kick?The amarr assault doesn't even have a bonus to it's own sidearm. So to maximize the suits effectiveness I have to throw on a laser light weapon on, while every other class can have either their racial sidearms/light weapons affected by their bonus...true makes sense.

I just want to know the logic behind nerfing the accuracy of the gun that was meant to be used accurately...

not only will I overheat fast but my shot's will be 4x less accurate... but hey I get a tiny improvement to my movement speed...when charging a shot...... a charge shot that will make me overheat after 4 shots..

Idk about you but I don't always land my charge shots, I definitely won't be using the charge shot ever... with only 4 shot's to hopefully kill my opponent with, if I miss the charge shot. It seems sort of useless to charge up now.

no other rifle renders you defenseless/immobilized other than the Scr/Lr... if this nerf goes through you might as well give us the ability to sprint when overheated cause at the moment I see Tac Ars, and Rail Rifles reigning supreme.

Totally agree with u, but the movement when charging is a nerf.

I have a question regarding the ROF increase with the gal ass, will the ROF increase for the Tac Ar and the burst? Or just the regular AR?

I believe it was said that all would be increased, even the shotgun.

All AR not shotgun, CPM stated somewhere, but I don't have link.

We've had assurances from Rattati that the bonus will apply to AR's only. We were obviously concerned about the Bons becoming a machine shotgun gun.

Also bare in mind that AR's will now be eating up ammo like candy so the clips will drain much faster.

The bonus only applies to ARs, or at least that's the intended result. We will have to see if any bugs pop up.

My only argument would be the Assault bonues..

Gallente with high RoF will be pretty nasty..

And.. again.. The Caldari reload is great!!, fast reloads to match fast recharge delays.. Kick reduction is just sending an invite for Cal Assaults to dominate in close ranges.. I've seen this spoke about a lot, always hoped the day would never come..

Edit: Just read replies and the bonuses are in addition to current..

Well thats OP

There should be some interesting spam on the battlefield soon

Massive vehicle nerfs, no corresponding buff in lethality, and no creation of a distinct role for tankers.

Kind of meh.

Like the AV changes, forge should have been the best AV forever, but without a clear role for tanks(transport, scanning, or even as a functioning in PC/FW cru) it just means driving around outside large sockets.

Going to have to record what will surely be ridiculous deaths when infantry come up on masse and beat a tank to death. Jumping plc's were already ridiculous, this next patch should finally kill off vehicles for any competitive use.

No, but def not enough.

Recharge is just a small part of the issue. Like, have you ever tried fitting a reg to a gunnie? What happens when you do so? And is it worth it over what you lose.

This buff will have nearly no noticeable affect on their performance.