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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:10:00 -
[901] - Quote
Glass straw hat ye gads.
I think the term you're looking for is straw-man
Something is killing new player retention.
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Samantha Hunyz
PIanet Express
Damage LLC
237
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:12:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Glass straw hat ye gads.
I think the term you're looking for is straw-man
nope, don't need no man, you were ill informed.
When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
223
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:17:00 -
[903] - Quote
Glass cannon then? wtf is a glass straw hat?
Something is killing new player retention.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:18:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Glass cannon then? wtf is a glass straw hat?
I'm thinking tinfoil hat.
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Samantha Hunyz
PIanet Express
Damage LLC
239
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:21:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Glass cannon then? wtf is a glass straw hat? I'm thinking tinfoil hat.
What he said
When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
223
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:22:00 -
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Who? Me or Blaze? I MUST KNOW FOR SURE!
Something is killing new player retention.
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Samantha Hunyz
PIanet Express
Damage LLC
239
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:22:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Who? Me or Blaze? I MUST KNOW FOR SURE! Exactly
When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 04:23:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Who? Me or Blaze? I MUST KNOW FOR SURE!
yes
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 14:52:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Wow, how does being invisible and unscanable require any form of skill???
Being squishy and easy to kill is the trade-off for having the best ewar, and fastest suits as well as the ability to be invisible The worst is if you can know for sure and count on that you are absolutely unscannable. The balance should be that if both the stealther and scanner both do the extreme sacrifices, the scanner should barely win.
It impossible to be completely unscannable.
It is possible to be mostly invisible, save for a slight blurring and the red reticle, for a limited amount of time if you stand still, unarmed. Providing you aren't scanned. Is it easy to use such a state to be effective on the battlefield? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no.
And how would knowing for sure you are unscannable make any difference?
Not being scanned is a prerequisite of stealth gameplay. To use stealth you assume you won't be scanned. If you do get scanned, stealth goes out of the window. The chance of being scanned doesn't affect how you play if you are using a suit that relies on stealth. |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:07:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Wow, how does being invisible and unscanable require any form of skill???
Being squishy and easy to kill is the trade-off for having the best ewar, and fastest suits as well as the ability to be invisible The worst is if you can know for sure and count on that you are absolutely unscannable. The balance should be that if both the stealther and scanner both do the extreme sacrifices, the scanner should barely win. It impossible to be completely unscannable. It is possible to be mostly invisible, save for a slight blurring and the red reticle, for a limited amount of time if you stand still, unarmed. Providing you aren't scanned. Is it easy to use such a state to be effective on the battlefield? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no. And how would knowing for sure you are unscannable make any difference? Not being scanned is a prerequisite of stealth gameplay. To use stealth you assume you won't be scanned. If you do get scanned, stealth goes out of the window. The chance of being scanned doesn't affect how you play if you are using a suit that relies on stealth.
it isn't impossible. 3 damps gets you below 15Db on a gal scout and around 17-18db on every other scout.
The only suit picking them scouts up is a gal logi with focused scans which lets face it, aren't that great. Hell nerf the gal logi so that the scan is 20% more precise instead of 25% which would mean scouts would only need 2 damps to get under regular proto scans, and 3 makes you unscannable.
If the focused scanner then had a fitting adjustment so it isn't a nightmare to fit and slightly more up time this would make it more useful than it is currently. This way you know what is scanning you if you have 2 damps and switching to a suit with 3 damps means invisible.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:37:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Wow, how does being invisible and unscanable require any form of skill???
Being squishy and easy to kill is the trade-off for having the best ewar, and fastest suits as well as the ability to be invisible The worst is if you can know for sure and count on that you are absolutely unscannable. The balance should be that if both the stealther and scanner both do the extreme sacrifices, the scanner should barely win. It impossible to be completely unscannable. It is possible to be mostly invisible, save for a slight blurring and the red reticle, for a limited amount of time if you stand still, unarmed. Providing you aren't scanned. Is it easy to use such a state to be effective on the battlefield? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no. And how would knowing for sure you are unscannable make any difference? Not being scanned is a prerequisite of stealth gameplay. To use stealth you assume you won't be scanned. If you do get scanned, stealth goes out of the window. The chance of being scanned doesn't affect how you play if you are using a suit that relies on stealth. it isn't impossible. 3 damps gets you below 15Db on a gal scout and around 17-18db on every other scout. The only suit picking them scouts up is a gal logi with focused scans which lets face it, aren't that great. Hell nerf the gal logi so that the scan is 20% more precise instead of 25% which would mean scouts would only need 2 damps to get under regular proto scans, and 3 makes you unscannable. If the focused scanner then had a fitting adjustment so it isn't a nightmare to fit and slightly more up time this would make it more useful than it is currently. This way you know what is scanning you if you have 2 damps and switching to a suit with 3 damps means invisible.
I don't know about you, but even a min scout with 3 complex damps doesn't let you avoid gal logi focused scans. And running 2 damps with 3 low slots really affects your survivability and utility, because when you don't run damps on a scout, the only thing you see is "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED"
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:45:00 -
[912] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Wow, how does being invisible and unscanable require any form of skill???
Being squishy and easy to kill is the trade-off for having the best ewar, and fastest suits as well as the ability to be invisible The worst is if you can know for sure and count on that you are absolutely unscannable. The balance should be that if both the stealther and scanner both do the extreme sacrifices, the scanner should barely win. It impossible to be completely unscannable. It is possible to be mostly invisible, save for a slight blurring and the red reticle, for a limited amount of time if you stand still, unarmed. Providing you aren't scanned. Is it easy to use such a state to be effective on the battlefield? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no. And how would knowing for sure you are unscannable make any difference? Not being scanned is a prerequisite of stealth gameplay. To use stealth you assume you won't be scanned. If you do get scanned, stealth goes out of the window. The chance of being scanned doesn't affect how you play if you are using a suit that relies on stealth. it isn't impossible. 3 damps gets you below 15Db on a gal scout and around 17-18db on every other scout. The only suit picking them scouts up is a gal logi with focused scans which lets face it, aren't that great. Hell nerf the gal logi so that the scan is 20% more precise instead of 25% which would mean scouts would only need 2 damps to get under regular proto scans, and 3 makes you unscannable. If the focused scanner then had a fitting adjustment so it isn't a nightmare to fit and slightly more up time this would make it more useful than it is currently. This way you know what is scanning you if you have 2 damps and switching to a suit with 3 damps means invisible. I don't know about you, but even a min scout with 3 complex damps doesn't let you avoid gal logi focused scans. And running 2 damps with 3 low slots really affects your survivability and utility, because when you don't run damps on a scout, the only thing you see is "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED"
Which is why I suggest that the Gal Logi receives a small nerf so that it only requires 2 damps to avoid all but the focused scanner.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 16:46:00 -
[913] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:
The worst is if you can know for sure and count on that you are absolutely unscannable.
The balance should be that if both the stealther and scanner both do the extreme sacrifices, the scanner should barely win.
It impossible to be completely unscannable. It is possible to be mostly invisible, save for a slight blurring and the red reticle, for a limited amount of time if you stand still, unarmed. Providing you aren't scanned. Is it easy to use such a state to be effective on the battlefield? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no. And how would knowing for sure you are unscannable make any difference? Not being scanned is a prerequisite of stealth gameplay. To use stealth you assume you won't be scanned. If you do get scanned, stealth goes out of the window. The chance of being scanned doesn't affect how you play if you are using a suit that relies on stealth. it isn't impossible. 3 damps gets you below 15Db on a gal scout and around 17-18db on every other scout. The only suit picking them scouts up is a gal logi with focused scans which lets face it, aren't that great. Hell nerf the gal logi so that the scan is 20% more precise instead of 25% which would mean scouts would only need 2 damps to get under regular proto scans, and 3 makes you unscannable. If the focused scanner then had a fitting adjustment so it isn't a nightmare to fit and slightly more up time this would make it more useful than it is currently. This way you know what is scanning you if you have 2 damps and switching to a suit with 3 damps means invisible. I don't know about you, but even a min scout with 3 complex damps doesn't let you avoid gal logi focused scans. And running 2 damps with 3 low slots really affects your survivability and utility, because when you don't run damps on a scout, the only thing you see is "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" Which is why I suggest that the Gal Logi receives a small nerf so that it only requires 2 damps to avoid all but the focused scanner.
Oh.
I see. Disregard anything I ever said.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 17:03:00 -
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Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1. |
Regnier Feros
Dead Man's Game
962
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Posted - 2015.10.21 17:17:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1.
What?
My am scout with 2 Cpx Precs has 18 db ._.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 17:25:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1.
You can go lower with the Scotsman's gk.0
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 18:04:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1. What? My am scout with 2 Cpx Precs has 18 db ._. My logi/assault with 3 Cpx Precs has 24 db ._. I'm lost :(
I'm talking about short range scans. They may not be terribly practical, but I was replying to someone who was talking about being "absolutely unscannable".
It's also worth noting that scout mostly fight at close range. This is backed up by the fact that all PC kills on Rattati's recent stat sheet from scouts were performed using shotguns or knives. There were not enough scout rifle kills to even register on the stats. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.21 18:22:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1. You can go lower with the Scotsman's gk.0
I don't think so. A Scotsman's minimum profile would still be 11db I think. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
17
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Posted - 2015.10.21 19:51:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1. What? My am scout with 2 Cpx Precs has 18 db ._. My logi/assault with 3 Cpx Precs has 24 db ._. I'm lost :(
Above AM Scout: 9dB short-range precision
Above MedFrame: 12dB short-range precision
A GalScout running 4 complex damps has a profile of 13dB. The vast majority of GalScouts run 1 complex damp for a profile of 20dB (sufficient to beat 21dB active scans); these units can be active scanned by Focused Scanner; they are also passive scanned (which is shared squad-wide) while within SG or NK range of any Light or Medium Frame (no precision enhancers needed) as well as any Heavy Frame running 1 precision enhancer.
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.21 23:09:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Yes, it is possible to hide from active scans, but not all passives.
The lowest possible profile is 11, I believe (Gal scout, 4 comp damps, active proto cloak). This can be scanned by an assault or logi with 3 precision enhancers, a Gal scout with 2, or an Amarr scout with 1. You can go lower with the Scotsman's gk.0 I don't think so. A Scotsman's minimum profile would still be 11db I think.
With all skills maxed and 5 comp damapeners, I think it is around 9-10.
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Posted - 2015.10.21 23:23:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:
With all skills maxed and 5 comp damapeners, I think it is around 9-10.
I'm not sure why you're hung up on this point, Blaze. 
Either way, here's the maths:
Absolute Lowest Profile: Scotsman's Scout gk.0
27dB - Max Skill, Base Profile (24dB proto cloaked)
20dB - Complex Damp (1) (18dB proto cloaked)
16dB - Complex Damp (2) (14dB proto cloaked)
13dB - Complex Damp (3) (12dB proto cloaked)
13dB - Complex Damp (4) (11dB proto cloaked)
12dB - Complex Damp (5) (11dB proto cloaked)
Fun Fact: According to protofits (which last I checked had up-to-date EWAR values), the 5th complex dampener reduces profile by 2.65%.
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deadpool lifetone
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
75
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Posted - 2015.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Soraya, when the hotfix goes live, grab your mouse and keyboard and get on Dust. After playing that way, try a controller. Once you've experienced the changes using both control setups, then come back and form an argument based on experience rather than hypotheses. Both Rattati and the CPM have already done the hypothesizing. Now it's time to evaluate the changes in a live environment, and work from there.
So that's how these bone head pecker heads have perfect aim assist . smh Keyboards & Mouse lol I would Always wonder how come they never miss a shot . lol thanks for the heads up . 
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