I must confess that I quickly lose sympathy when I hear ADS pilots complaining that their KDR is lower than 50 when they run ADS.

Where did any pilot say that?

Judge did.

Perhaps that wasn't quite the same, but when I hear people saying that yes, they are worth more as individual players than groups alarm bells start ringing.

@ Ratt,
Can we not nerf swarm please

Have you ever compare how many swarmer die vs ADS lost?

Can you considering how superior of ADS in battle?

Swarmer is the easiest target to kill and the swarm itself already blind 40% of their vision.

1 hit from ADS and the swarmer is doom, but it took more than 3 hits by swarm to chase away ADS

I'm not mine if you want to increase swarm cost and SP require if it would shut up the ADS QQ



It's a shame to carry a weapon that design for damage only a vehicle, but its target is out of range 80% of the time......

What made the ARR on a gall so much better than having it on a caldari suit is due to the fact that you can put damage mods. You had a weapon that could chew a heavy from over 50 meters a way. The duvolle assault rifle was nowhere near as good as the ARR at shooting armor. There was no point in even running the weapons with their respective races. Now with this RoF buff on the assault rifle it might be possible to break away from that.

The kick bonus on the caldari seems more of helping hand for people that do not know how to control recoil but whatever. I would of liked it better if it was a recharge reduction bonus and keep the recoil as it's counter nerf just like the RoF has it's own counter nerf with ammo being depleted faster and what not.

Judge did.

Perhaps that wasn't quite the same, but when I hear people saying that yes, they are worth more as individual players than groups alarm bells start ringing.

Nothing but rats running bons and kalantes in pcI'm calling it now. Rof buff for bons lmfao! Also the change shot on the scr isn't the problem it's the spammed shots what a joke.

Core Locus grenades will no one use anymore. They were so good and expensive, because high damage, but now? Why use something 3x expensive than advance grenades when it has same damage?


Does ppl with grenades lvl 5 get free skill reset? because with this changes, is useless train grenades to lvl5...

I'm sorry but I really cannot take you seriously.
1) it takes 2-3 hits from a XT small missle launcher to kill most min mando's not 1
2) swarm user are not the easiest to kill as by the time the ads pilot has located you, your second swarm round is closing in.
Can you considering how superior of ADS in battle?
I'm not even sure wtf that means
At least bring a valid argument to the table

Come on.

I think you people are not reading it right.

I think that's 1% ROF per level rather than 5% per level.


The Caldari bonus specifically says "per level" while the Gallente bonus does not.

Hilariously gloriously hilarious.



Good thing the Gal Assault bonus doesn't apply to Shotguns.

Dear poor ADS, please open your narrow minded for once. Hopefully, you would see the world from a difference perspective.

I must confess that I quickly lose sympathy when I hear ADS pilots complaining that their KDR is lower than 50 when they run ADS.

Dear Swarmer, please pay 2-10x the cost of your suit (tier/BPO usage dependant) for a single ADS; please require significant effort to even move around while paying attention to any and everything you possibly can because there might be someone not rendering ready to fire at you; please have to deal with your opponent literally tossing you around and moving your screen to throw off your aim; please have to actually aim instead of having a box that takes up half your screen do all of the work for you; please try to hit an opponent that is minuscule on your screen that is also jumping up and down.

There are a multitude of issues on both sides of the argument, don't make out as if ADS pilots want an easy ride: we want a fair ride.

I've stated my personal position before: I'd be happy being readily destructible if my ship didn't cost 2xx or more that of a fully fit PRO dropsuit; I'd be happy to fight against Swarms that required even a small amount of aiming (I've linked to [b]Juno's thread[b] dozens of times to show the sort of mechanic I strongly believe in); or if the ADS could actually evade Swarms with enough skill.

ADSs have an incredibly steep challenge against even a single AV player, for which they have barely any tools to use beside the inherent benefits of being able to fly and being a vehicle: there is nor real indication of the direction from which you are under attack; identification of enemies is hindered greatly by bad rendering; pilots are barely awarded any WP from actions other than killing (only kills and vehicle kill assists give meaningful WP; mCRU spawns do but are plagued by glitches) which makes their intended role barely operated and - due to the throw-away nature of MLT gear, and the tiny size of the maps - barely wanted by anyone. Dropship pilots tend to (there are some unreasonable folks, as ever) want to be relevant. The main reason so many vehemently opposed people like Soraya is that usually those people are too heavy handed, or simply not as reasonable as they present themselves to be.

Neither ADS pilots nor Swarmers are inherently wrong, only when the person doesn't understand the other's issues do we have problems in communicating.

"Swarms are too strong"

After years of making this argument is this the first time it has officially been stated by a dev??????????????????

Like seriously, has a dev admitted this before this day?

I believe we have taken the first step to progress. No more in denial.

Btw, what exactly do you mean by turn radius????

we still keeping the sharp 90 degree turns? or is it gonna be more curvey now?

#PILOT

Agreed. Forging is more about managing one's surroundings and ammo supply than precision aiming. I'd encourage anyone who thinks (like I once did) that Forge Gunners have to lead their targets to try the weapon out for themselves. The projectile is far faster than you'd expect it to be.

Edit: Note that I'm describing sniping with the "standard' forge gun. The assault variant is more skill intensive when it comes to popping infantry as you have to time your shots; it cannot hold a charge.

some valid points here. But my ads is still op, and av loses more than me before they take me out. It's not so bad as you make it seem. #foreverpython
Also a fully fit python is like 100 - 150k more than a minmando please you're giving ads pilots a bad name. Stop.

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Rising the cost of swarm and sp require isn't a problem at all as I already post in the earlier post. But before you compare that cost, would it be fare to ask Rat to show the lost number of both side first?

Surrounding awareness is require in any role. ADS may encounter invisible swarm, but you also have Hardener and AFB to protect and bring you out. What about swarmer? What do they have?

"A box that takes up half your screen do all of the work" How about we convert assault swarm to work as missile turrets?

Have you considering things or roles you could do with ADS compare to swarmer or AV player?

Have you considering firepower between those two?

With 16 (1ADS + 15 mercs) vs 16 (2-4 AV + 12-14 mercs), what is the odds of team win?

Fact, It is next to impossible for AV to 1-1 ADS and beat it.

If you think that we may not understand the other's issues, then we need a solid evident to show and prove the current state before claim to nerf something.



To Be honest, Rat should explain and show a solid number to the community.