Dropships weak points are those huge thrusters on the back that rotate. I think... Idk that's where I aim lol

Not sure if they are crit zones or not, but it is where i aim as well.

Which is funny, because he said "was". "ADS was incredibly ISK efficient."

Then goes on to say they still might be, but isn't sure.

Train reading comprehension V asap.

AV doesn't want it to be "best in class" we want it to "not be absolute dribbleshit". The lock on range reduction on the table is pushing the swarm launchers into that category.

I honestly think lock on should be removed from swarm launcher; or (a second less disirable option) added to large/small missile turrets. They are supposed to be the same weapon tech, & this was the original idea from what i understand. although i think removing lock on from this game is a far better idea. I also would like to see emplacement turrets treat infantry and vehicles equil. If infantry have to shoot them for the ai to attack back, same should be for vehicles. there is not alot of equality between vehicles and dropsuits, if they are to be equil, let them cost the same & let us deploy in them without a dropsuit, we can't escape death & our losses are on equil ground with dropsuits.

Watch the video in my signature titled "Caldari" starting at the 2:28 mark and tell me again with a straight face that forge guns do not require any leading of the target.

Also complete bull, because at 50 KDR average, Judge made a killing off every derpship he flew. Most. Profitable. Fit. Ever.

I stopped reading at double hardened python lmao. Gg

Assault scrambler <3
I want to try the new vanilla scrambler on the mando

Because the ADS should not get any help. I've seen the numbers, it was nerfed for good reason, and it still wasn't nerfed enough. If you saw what I saw, you would not even question my feedback.

No, just no. I fly in my amarr logi and farm dem points and make bank. I do it right. This idea completely removes a part of this game. Stfu and goml

1) Fix: 1 hit from ADS and the swarmer (MOST SWARMER) is doom, but it took more than 3 hits by swarm to chase away ADS

Not all swarmer run minmondo, Ask Rat to show the swarmer number if you want to use it as a solid argument.

2) By the time a swarmer fire the first shot, all the enemy in the battle field will coming for him.

Dear poor ADS, please open your narrow minded for once. Hopefully, you would see the world from a difference perspective.

Also complete bull, because at 50 KDR average, Judge made a killing off every derpship he flew. Most. Profitable. Fit. Ever.

When hell freezes over unless the rate of fire goes up on the forge.

Then we'll talk.

You are just DRIPPING with bias.

But like I said a decrease to range would call for a buff in some other area. And it doesn't even have to be all forge guns. Things like the breach or the regular forge gun can keep that range.

But the assault variant needs to come down in range. It's already the most powerful of all forge guns with no drawbacks in comparison to the other variants (unable to hold a charge isn't really a draw back from my experience).

A reduction to range would make the other variants more appealing (breach get more range for long charge times?). Your standard variant and breach are long range area denial weapons, while the assault would be your short range area denial/destruction variant.

Honestly though, in your quest to destroy vehicles, I feel you are neglecting your own bias for the forge gun. My balancing rule of thumb is to gain you must lose.

So a weapon should not have long range and high dps. As range increases, dps should go down. This is evident in the breach, but it lacks what it really needs, more range. The assault is like the converse, same range but MORE dps. Why?

great questions, the breach should have more range. later topic.

Agreed. Forging is more about managing one's surroundings and ammo supply than precision aiming. I'd encourage anyone who thinks (like I once did) that Forge Gunners have to lead their targets to try the weapon out for themselves. The projectile is far faster than you'd expect it to be.

Edit: Note that I'm describing sniping with the "standard' forge gun. The assault variant is more skill intensive when it comes to popping infantry as you have to time your shots; it cannot hold a charge.

great questions, the breach should have more range. later topic.

Any chance we could lose the immobilisation on the Breach?

Just add myos to your suit and do the bunny hop

Also complete bull, because at 50 KDR average, Judge made a killing off every derpship he flew. Most. Profitable. Fit. Ever.

Lucky for you soraya, I have Judge as a contact. His life time KD is 2.38.

that's pretty freaking far from 50.

/Drops mic

just clearing up some things

Commando will hit for be 270, after the reduction to melee damage myofibs, should be comparable as before. That was not intended to be reduced.

Gallente Assault ROF bonus only applies to Assault Rifles (the whole family) and is now 3% per level, for a 15% total.

I hear the nade concerns, and we will see how it pans out.

I stand fully by the whole HAV/AV reasoning in the OP. Assault Swarm launchers are still on the table for being an Anti Air platform.

The plan for Melee was to be effective, especially on the Weak Spots but the code for Melee Damage vs Nova Knives is a bit blurred, looking into it. I will also share a few screenshots on the weak spots.

People who complain about Scrambler Hipfire kick going from 0.025 to 0.1 as "OMG 400% nerf" need to play the game. This is intended to stop spam and nothing else. Currently the 0.025 is so little it literally does nothing. There is no kick. After a lot of testing, the number is balanced to be able to charge and then fire calmly. Spamming as fast as you can will overheat within a few shots, but a calm follow up will not.

What about the Cassault RR kick reduction, that's only going to be when you aim down sights, right? Otherwise you're not only making it better at mid-long range but CQC as well and the RR shouldn't be better in CQC.

Foxfour Feedback

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Lots of good going on here. Will limit my feedback to concerns.

Swarms - I understand the need to address the Swarm Launcher's oppression of the DS, but in my best estimation, reducing swarm launcher range will create as much imbalance as it remedies. Getting within swarm range of hostile vehicles is already risky business. If you were to filter out Commandos from kill-spawn efficiency tables, I suspect you'd find ample data to support this long-held and routinely reaffirmed observation. Swarmers might have a "fire and forget" weapon but they also have to juggle a number of risk factors which forgers from afar (oft atop roofs and/or behind friendly lines) needn't concern themselves with. Should the range nerf go through, I do not expect Swarms will see much use in the weeks and months following Foxfour. High risk and negligible reward will be to blame. If the range reduction is an absolute must (again, a bad idea IMO), I'd propose also reducing lock-on time by half; this way, a swarmer will still be able to get one volley off at a charging LAV.

Scrambler Rifle - I've long opined that the ScR was OP and I agree that a nerf to spammability is in order. That said, I'm concerned that the combination of nerfs on the table might be too much. Increasing heat and slowing charge-held movement by 20% seems a solid solution. Adding an increase in kick to the mix may be over the top, though the effect of such small number is hard to gauge without proper field testing.

Bolt Pistol - It is my opinion that the Bolt Pistol's problems can be blamed squarely on too much hipfire aim assist. Would've personally proposed and preferred a nerf to non-ADS aim-assist adhesion and magnetism. The RoF nerf seems steep, but this is perhaps another case of "tough to call" without field testing. If spray-and-pray sidearms (i.e. SMGs, new ScPs, new MagSecs) kill more quickly and reliably than skillshot weapons, there will be little (if any) reason to run the skillshot weapons.

Shield Changes - I understand that this is a first step in a process toward the ultimate goal of balanced armor-v-shield interplay. I'd ask only that the Devs keep in mind that changes which make the game easier for those with high hitpoint reserves also make the game harder for those without. The effects of slowed TTK are not felt equally.

Assault Changes - Very much in favor of the proposed racial bonuses to GA and CA Assault; concerns are limited to implementation and values. Fingers crossed that the Caldari bonus only applies when aiming-down-sights; you might otherwise have a problem with longer range RR and ARR outperforming shorter range rifles at short range. On the topic of short range, I'd suspect RoF bonus of 10% would grant an AR-toting GA Assault an edge in CQC. An RoF bonus of 25% (or even 15%) strikes me as over-the-top.

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FoxFour Predictions

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Class Usage / Performance Trends
http://i.imgur.com/YBtLizZ.png

Unaddressed Imbalance
OP - Active Scans / GA Logi
UP - EWAR-oriented Scouts

New Imbalance
OP - Dual Tanked GA Assault
OP - Damage Amp'd GA Assault
OP - Dual Tanked CA Assault
OP - Dropships
UP - Swarms
UP - Bolt Pistol
UP - ScR

It will only be better in CQC on the Cal Assault. The ROF increase will still make the Gallente better at CQC