IGÇÖm really sorry but this doesnGÇÖt make any sense. GÇ£If we nerf the assaultGÇÖs favourite suitGÇ¥, which currently happens to be the assault suit, GÇ£we might lose some of themGÇ¥. IsnGÇÖt that quite clear indication that youGÇÖre doing it wrong? When assaults were using logis or scouts or heavies did we not ask GÇ£why are they not using the assault suitGÇ¥? And wasnGÇÖt the answer always GÇ£because they are bad in comparisonGÇ¥?

When assaults were finally buffed we saw the great migration towards the assault suits. And this migration was perfect. What greater balance can there be than people using role specific suits to execute said roles? There are always tweaks that should be made but that doesnGÇÖt mean that an entire class should suffer.

The vast majority of players are assaults and will continue to be assaults regardless of the changes done to suits. There are a lot of assaults because that is the prevailing role in any FPS and using the assault suit for this role should be encouraged. You will never see a situation where we have an equal amount of each role; it is not going to happen. People need to understand that trying to limit the number of assaults is futile. People will use a suit that gives them the best possible outcome in any given match even if that suit was not intended as frontline fighter suit. And you cannot blame people for doing so.

I donGÇÖt feel that giving assault better sprint while logis have better strafe is going to cut it. Strafing is a large part of engagements and I have used my Amarr logi enough to know what a pain it is to strafe with those movement speeds. If my ability to be effective in combat with an assault suit is diminished I will move on to a different suit that does offer me combat effectiveness. The proposed changes are simply too drastic. And I must stress that I am not against a logi and commando buff but this doesnGÇÖt have to come at the expense of the assaults. By all means increase their speed, give commandos more slots but please, do not butcher the assaults like this.

Making Assault sprint faster is a very smart idea. Maybe reducing Logi stamina as well.

When you talk about adjusting movement speeds in this game, I still think the long-term solution is to create a mass stat. Speed, strafe speed, sprint speed, stamina depletion rates and jump height would be derived from formulas based on mass (these values would be calculated in the fitting screen and cached so it's not affecting gameplay performance). You could add racial modifiers in these calculations as well to tweak balance. This more-closely models EVE's mechanics, and would give you the consistency in speed/HP that you're looking for. Putting plates on a scout suit will add a much higher mass (as a percent) than putting those same plates on a sentinel (as a percent).

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to just switch Logi/Assault HP values instead of their speed values.

Why not both!

IGÇÖm really sorry but this doesnGÇÖt make any sense.

And that right there is how you truly get slayer logi's. Please just stop talking Aeon, I dont think you've said something smart or on point in a while.

I would happily consider it again for the sake of other players, but I'm a MKB twitch fps player by heart and I think skill should be rewarded, and yes, good strafing while aiming is a difficult skill to master.

I have taken things into account from here, and am pretty sure I will reduce assault speed much less, maybe 0.3 instead of 0.5 and also increase stamina and sprint modifier.

Still don't know what to do with CA sidearm or EQ

Put together a [possibly over-simplified] top-end progression:

> Google Doc <

* Fits the eHP / Speed curve
* Incorporates Ripley's sprint multipliers
* Minimizes impact on Assault Sprint Speed
* Satisfies goal of increasing Logi base movement
* Satisfies goal of decreasing Assault base movement
* Stacks the progression as closely as possible without class overlap

This actually nerfs Logi sprint speed? Por que?

As I understand it, it is a desired parameter to keep Assault sprint speed higher than Logi sprint speed. Let me see if I can tweak the sprint multiplier a 'bit ...

Buff the proposed movement by .05 and put the multiplier at 1.4. Still slower sprint than Assault. You could even buff proposed Assault movement by .05 as well?

How does it look now?

How about reducing assault movement by 0.3 rather than 0.5, like Rattati said he was thinking of doing.

You see, before the HP buff scouts were being the problem.

Do you really believe removing an HP buff that was given due to Assaults being underpowered won't swing the balance in the direction of scouts too hard? Considering we've seen what happens without that HP buff?

After digging around all day in stamina and regen, I can safely conclude that with regard to mobility, the Minmatar faction has, due to I believe a fundamental misconception, been double dipping in the speed jar.

The comparisons were done on both "distance covered until stamina pool is fully recharged" and "average speed while covering a fixed distance".

The intent with the design was to allow minmatar to travel approximately 5% faster, and Amarr approx 5% slower. Whereas, minmatar actually travels 10% faster and 15% faster than Amarr.

Now, I don't want to punish them, but bring the rest up.

For example, this means that Caldari Assault will now have 35 stam regen instead of 20, and Amarr 45, while Minmatar stays at 50.

With the reduction of normal speed, and differentation through sprinting, I hope we have a really good model as a foundation for speed.

The rules of thumb as applied to the Medium class now:

Mobility (stamina pool and recovery)
CA/GA = normal
Amarr= 5% lower
Minmatar = 5% higher

Sprint
Basic = normal = 1.4x
Logistics = normal-0.1 = 1.3x
Assault = normal+0.1 = 1.5x

eHP
Basic = normal
Logistics = lower
Assault = higher

Speed
Basic = normal
Logistics = higher
Assault = lower

Shield Regen
on hold


While there is nothing gamebreaking about this increase, it will result in more fluidity across the spectrum and be a little more enjoyable.

This will have a cascading effect, as for example Light Basics are very out of shape in regard to most of these things. The other basics are more in line.

How about reducing assault movement by 0.3 rather than 0.5, like Rattati said he was thinking of doing.

This, and buffing Logi up by .05, not down by .05?

So what's the bridge going to be between the Scout and the Assault after this? What if I want a suit that has mobility without as much of an EHP hit of a Scout and EHP without the mobility hit of the Assault?

What am I supposed to run as the bridge point between the two..? Slayer-Logi?

EDIT: Because if I have to, that's what I'm going to do.

Stick kincats and cardiac regs on you assault, just like now. You'd have to live with lower strafe speed.

What would be awesome, would be if Kincats also increase your movement speed, rather than just sprint speed.

I'll take an EHP hit but I like the movement speed where it's at.

It makes perfect sense to me. There are players who feel that imbalance can be justified. So long as imbalance is working in their favor, they are satisfied. When balance is thrust upon them, they get angry. This is most often observed with pilots (not all, but many).

Sheet added! Instances of overlap highlighted.
The MN Assault is still a 'bit too fast ... ends up with higher sprint than present.
Could dial back sprint from 1.5, but then GA/CA/AM Assault sprint speed would take a hit.

[Why do you need to nerf the assaults?