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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:15:00 -
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Dear players,
as part of a Logi and Commando review, and my own rational hatred of irrational things, we will be aligning speeds across the board in an imminent hotfix. Consider this initiative only a part of the changes.
I believe this will give Commandos and Logis a real buff, as they will be more mobile, even if stacking hitpoints, and will be a needed reduction in the Assault class overall, with the outliers of Minmatar Assault overwhelming moblity, and Amarr Assault hp stacked fits.
A picture says more than a thousand words, so please take a look. I am also constructing the brick version of this chart to see how that pans out. My assumption is that Commandos will need at least an extra slot to be able to tank comparably o other Roles.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Anaheim Darko
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:30:00 -
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Positive changes, thanks Rattatti. Might spec into commandos in the near future if they get faster and an extra slot!
And great to see logis get extra mobility!
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:45:00 -
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While you're at it, mind fixing the Gallente speed being the same as Caldari?
Gallente are supposed to be very fast for short bursts of speed (MWD eating capacitor).
We could simulate that by giving Gallente similar speed to Minmatar, but very bad stamina.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Zaria Min Deir
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:45:00 -
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Yes, agreed that Commandos really need at least another slot.
And loving the changes, looking forward to testing this out in game :)
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Haerr
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:51:00 -
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Looks like you are going to make the minmatar commando just as quick as a caldari assault. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:55:00 -
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Good changes and the beginnings of some real differentials between the logi and the Commando roles.
The meta of the game at the moment is too geared to slayers at the moment and the logibro's in particular are taking a hit in their gameplay at the moment.
I've been thinking my Galmando could do with an extra slot as well, either low for extra armour rep or high for extra agility.
This is just the beginning of some love towards these two classes so post your thoughts here guys.
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.05.27 08:57:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:While you're at it, mind fixing the Gallente speed being the same as Caldari?
Gallente are supposed to be very fast for short bursts of speed (MWD eating capacitor).
We could simulate that by giving Gallente similar sprint speed to Minmatar, but very bad stamina.
Would help the Duvolle too, in the whole "get close and rekt" part.
Which speeds aren't aligned? I didn't notice, they are always supposed to be the same as CA.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:04:00 -
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Oh you know I love clean rational designs.
Much like inversely related Range vs DPS , inversely related Speed vs HP makes a lot of sense and brings better continuity to the game.
As for Commandos in particular, the addition of another slot and an increase to mobility is exactly what I wanted to see.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:While you're at it, mind fixing the Gallente speed being the same as Caldari?
Gallente are supposed to be very fast for short bursts of speed (MWD eating capacitor).
We could simulate that by giving Gallente similar sprint speed to Minmatar, but very bad stamina.
Would help the Duvolle too, in the whole "get close and rekt" part. Which speeds aren't aligned? I didn't notice, they are always supposed to be the same as CA.
No, I'm talking EVE.
Gallente are second fastest after Minmatar, Caldari are slowest until Amarr plate up.
Gallente use Micro Warp Drives to close the distance and apply massive shredding from their Blasters. (Ga Ass charging with a Duvolle or Shotgun)
Micro Warp Drives eats capacitor like crazy, and as such has to be used in bursts, not always on.
A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:15:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts.
Logged on the Big Board
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:17:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board
\o/
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board
I see what Cat's thinking... A cardiac reg is so much easier on the fitting than a kincat... ;)
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board \o/
Amarr meanwhile would just have stupid amounts of stamina while being slow.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:25:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board I see what Cat's thinking... A cardiac reg is so much easier on the fitting than a kincat... ;)
Yeah, no.
I would still fit a Kin Cat to maximize my viable speed.
The Duvolle feeds on speed, the faster you are, the more effective you can be with that thing.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A simulation of that in DUST would be like giving Gallente same or better sprint speed than Minmatar, but nerfing the stamina so it can only be used in short bursts. Logged on the Big Board
Jesus I think I just saw a flock of flying pigs...
How long have we been asking for this lol?
I guess we just make cat post stuff from now on when we need results |
Doc DDD
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:29:00 -
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Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:30:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
...What?
Did you notice the other part?
Nerf stamina?
I want Gallente to be what they are supposed to be, quick sprinters, terrible long distance runners.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:33:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
Don't rant and derail the official community feedback threads, and leave the anti-shield conspiracy tinfoilery at the door. 
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:35:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
I can't down vote this enough >< can I please get a bot to help with this?
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:35:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
Shut up.
constructive discussion happening.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:39:00 -
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lol
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:41:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
Hey to be honest, most my complaints with shields are being indirectly handled here. The minmatar assault mobility was an issue for me. But also it's dual tanking ability needs to be addressed. And then the ScR being addressed so I don't die when it looks at me from 0m - 100m away |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:47:00 -
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Okay this may seem a bit ranty, but its just my observations, no dev bashing here.
I'm all for across the board consistency.
Here the assaults suits are getting a really big nerf. From what i can tell from the picture, logis get 0.25 m/s buff, the assault suits roughly 0.5 m/s speed nerf, commandos .35 roughly speed buff.
The Min Assault will be as fast the current Min Logi. Caldari and Gallente as slow as the current Amarr logi. And that is really, really slow. The Amarr assaults are gettin the speed of current heavy suits. Oh wow. Thats a little too much Mr. Rattati.
In a Foot race, post changes, guessing roughly of course.
1. Min scout 5.7 m/s
2. Gal Scout Caldari Scout 5.4 m/s
3. Amarr scout, Min Logi 5.25 m/s
4. Gal Logi, Caldari Logi, Min Basic 5 m/s
5. Min Assult 4.85 m/s
6. Amarr Logi, Gallente basic, Caldari Basic 4.75 m/s
7. Gallente Assult, Caldari Assault, Amarr Basic, Minmatar commando 4.6 m/s
8. Amarr assault, Caldari Commando, Gallente Commando, Min heavy basic 4.4 m/s
10. Minmatar Setinel 4.25 m/s
11. Amarr commando, caldari heavy, gallente heavy 4.2 m/s
12.Caldari setinel, gellente setinel 3.9 m/s
13. Amarr heavy 4.85 m/s
14. Amarr setinel 3.6 m/s
With the planned tiericide, I confidently predict the return of the slayer Logi. Identical slots, more fitting space, and now faster than the assault suits.
After all, the Min Logi will have a 4/4/4 slot layout at all tiers, and is getting the min assaut speed. Fit militia equipment to free up fitting space and the ADV min logi becomes the current Proto Min Assault. You can apply the same logic to the other assaults with dare i say it, lackluster bonuses. A cal logi with 5/3/3 slots or a slower caldari assault that can reload. Gal logi with extra fitting space or a slow gal assault that has less dispersion? And the Amarr assult....well might as well run a commando or heavy suit instead, more HP and more fire power, and identical if not faster speeds.
I can't wait for the forums will begin to erupt about the min logi's s hit box detection, etc etc. Pretty much every thing they spull out of thier butts about the min assault witll be applied to the min Logi.
Suggetion: Tighten up the assault speeds. Start the minmatar at 5.1 m.s, Gal calari at 4.9 and end with the Amarr at 4.6 m/s Slightly slower than thier respective racial logis, but certainly faster then comandos.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:54:00 -
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Seems legit.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Doc DDD
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2015.05.27 09:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Doc DDD wrote:
Go figure, Rattati quick to buff armor suits when one person asks...
8 threads on boards regarding caldari shields being garbage and not a single reply.
Make sure Caldari has absolutely no choice but to sit behind a rock in the redline, both infantry and HAV.
Why not give madrugars a built in nitro booster because 'EVE' and who cares about balance?
How about remove all the stacking penalties from caldari shields, drastically increase damage threshold, and make the suits run faster, you know, since they need to run back to the redline as soon as they are spotted now that gallente have been green lit for turbo.
Don't rant and derail the official community feedback threads, and leave the anti-shield conspiracy tinfoilery at the door.
That was my feedback, caldari will be nerfed to be slower than gallente if gallentes speed is buffed. complex regulator gives you 100% more stamina and regen on a suit with 5 lows. Unless you are planning on giving it a quarter of its current stamina and regen there will be even more imbalance.
Why doesn't caldari have a much higher movement speed as it is only using shields? If you are giving gallente higher native top speed why not give caldari higher movement speed similar to minmitar assault ( which dual tanks ). Similar to vehicles, Gunlogis are better a manoeuvring while gallente has higher top speed?
Isn't that how balance works?
There is no rant, just trying to paint a picture on how certain things are being perceived. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.27 10:01:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
That was my feedback, caldari will be nerfed to be slower than gallente if gallentes speed is buffed. complex regulator gives you 100% more stamina and regen on a suit with 5 lows. Unless you are planning on giving it a quarter of its current stamina and regen there will be even more imbalance.
Why doesn't caldari have a much higher movement speed as it is only using shields? If you are giving gallente higher native top speed why not give caldari higher movement speed similar to minmitar assault ( which dual tanks ). Similar to vehicles, Gunlogis are better a manoeuvring while gallente has higher top speed?
Isn't that how balance works?
There is no rant, just trying to paint a picture on how certain things are being perceived.
This doesn't resemble what you posted in the sligthest, it was an accusative rant, and there's no mistaking it.
And quit trying to logic, you suck at it, a buff to gallente does not automatically mean caldari were nerfed.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Doc DDD
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Posted - 2015.05.27 10:09:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Doc DDD wrote:
That was my feedback, caldari will be nerfed to be slower than gallente if gallentes speed is buffed. complex regulator gives you 100% more stamina and regen on a suit with 5 lows. Unless you are planning on giving it a quarter of its current stamina and regen there will be even more imbalance.
Why doesn't caldari have a much higher movement speed as it is only using shields? If you are giving gallente higher native top speed why not give caldari higher movement speed similar to minmitar assault ( which dual tanks ). Similar to vehicles, Gunlogis are better a manoeuvring while gallente has higher top speed?
Isn't that how balance works?
There is no rant, just trying to paint a picture on how certain things are being perceived.
This doesn't resemble what you posted in the sligthest, it was an accusative rant, and there's no mistaking it.
Thanks for piping up for no reason, why would it resemble what I wrote when I am writing another statement...
First post was my feedback
Second post was more feedback with disclaimer that first post was not rant but feedback on perception of armor buffs.
If you have constructive criticism of Ratattis original post feel free to make a statement, otherwize I will just ignore the troll that is usually looking for AV buffs. |
Doc DDD
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Posted - 2015.05.27 10:11:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Doc DDD wrote:
That was my feedback, caldari will be nerfed to be slower than gallente if gallentes speed is buffed. complex regulator gives you 100% more stamina and regen on a suit with 5 lows. Unless you are planning on giving it a quarter of its current stamina and regen there will be even more imbalance.
Why doesn't caldari have a much higher movement speed as it is only using shields? If you are giving gallente higher native top speed why not give caldari higher movement speed similar to minmitar assault ( which dual tanks ). Similar to vehicles, Gunlogis are better a manoeuvring while gallente has higher top speed?
Isn't that how balance works?
There is no rant, just trying to paint a picture on how certain things are being perceived.
This doesn't resemble what you posted in the sligthest, it was an accusative rant, and there's no mistaking it. And quit trying to logic, you suck at it, a buff to gallente does not automatically mean caldari were nerfed.
So if you buffed every suit in the game save the heavy suit, this would not be a heavy nerf?
Go back to school
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.27 10:15:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:
If you have constructive criticism of Ratattis original post feel free to make a statement, otherwize I will just ignore the troll that is usually looking for AV buffs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Good Lord you're full of yourself.
Have fun banging your head on the wall.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.27 10:17:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Doc DDD wrote:
That was my feedback, caldari will be nerfed to be slower than gallente if gallentes speed is buffed. complex regulator gives you 100% more stamina and regen on a suit with 5 lows. Unless you are planning on giving it a quarter of its current stamina and regen there will be even more imbalance.
Why doesn't caldari have a much higher movement speed as it is only using shields? If you are giving gallente higher native top speed why not give caldari higher movement speed similar to minmitar assault ( which dual tanks ). Similar to vehicles, Gunlogis are better a manoeuvring while gallente has higher top speed?
Isn't that how balance works?
There is no rant, just trying to paint a picture on how certain things are being perceived.
This doesn't resemble what you posted in the sligthest, it was an accusative rant, and there's no mistaking it. And quit trying to logic, you suck at it, a buff to gallente does not automatically mean caldari were nerfed. So if you buffed every suit in the game save the heavy suit, this would not be a heavy nerf? Go back to school
No, in fact it would not, a nerf is a reduction, unless the heavy suit was in fact reduced in some fashion, then it is not a nerf.
Are you unfamiliar with meaning and cause/effect?
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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