Alternative assault bonus suggestions:

Cal - reload plus spool reduction.
Gal - increase the current dispersion reduction.

To be honest, there's no reason why reducing assault speed can't balance the suit, it's just the speed probably shouldn't be reduced as much as proposed. Improving Cal and Gal assault bonuses is more about bringing racial balance to assaults.

It appears that you still have no presented a reason why the logi needs to be 'faster' than the assault to do this. Why can it not achieve the above while being buffed to the same speed?

To Run up quickly to stab people with a Magic Nanite Needle to get them back in the fight, then fade back behind the advancing lines to shield them from fire because of their low HP.

Have I ever let you down Thaddeus? That being said you could still do this more efficiently if your suit was AS FAST as an assault. (I run Needle on my Assault all the time BTW).

Do you need to be faster? Not really.

The extra speed would be nice fulfill the support role and keep me alive while doing it XD. I can see your point that if the Logis get the same fitting slot layout and relative fitting power, while still gaining bonuses, I can see them getting the same Speed levels despite the HP despair. The Amarr Logi's Bonus in particular would benefit from a higher movement speed than assaults in order to be able to catch up after placing a good link a bit away from the battle so it won't be found...but that's more of an issue with an infiltrator's equipment on a medic suit

In a conflict do your advance your supply lies faster than your main combat troops? Nope? I didn't think so.

The value of the Logisitcs role is in its capacity to support the efforts of other suit not its own combat potential. You are force multiplying by establishing uplinks, nanohives, repairs, revives etc.

You should be staying with your squad or the main body of your team to support them not running off to establish equipment is remote positions. That bleeds into the role of scouting. As such there is no need to be able to move faster than your front line combat troops.

If we are talking about roles then we should do so logically. As a role the Logistics essentially fills the "Support/Healer" role. This typically is denoted by lesser health, a wide variety of support/heal abilities, and certainly is NOT characterised by excessive speed more so than say the "DPS" role (AKA the Assault).

And I am not saying they can't or shouldn't have it. Just asking why it requires the Assault suit role to take a hit and why the Logisitcs Class a supporting role needs speed that is above that of your frontline suits.

I just don't understand why Logistics cannot achieve all of those other lofty goals that Cross talked about while having an equivalent speed value which is a direct speed buff to Logi while not fundamentally impacting on the Asssault Role.

Would this put undue strain on early career Logis? Thinking about Cloak and early career Scouts; they usually can't fit it until Level 4. And Cloak isn't as instrumental to Scouting as EQ is to Logi'ing.

Speed is definately very important for a logi to perform the support role. So I totally disagree with all the "logi's don't need to be faster than their squad mates" people.

I think I have been phasing it incorrectly.

What I should have been saying is "Why do assaults need to be slower than you in order for you to Logi properly?".

E.G- The difference between the sprinting speed of the Amarr Assault and the Amarr Logi is 0.35 m/s. [Amarr Logi = 6.37 , Amarr Assault = 6.72 meters per second unmodified by skills].

Where is the harm of standardising their mobility values so that both move apace.

Placing equipment, staying out of lines of fire, and repairing other suits....requires large quantities of HP? I don't think so.

Staying out of the line of fire requires speed, and if that "line of fire" is defined by someone wielding a weapon, say an assault with a CR, AR, RR, or SCR, then that "line of fire" can advance on you, meaning your relative speed becomes very relevant indeed. Furthermore placing equipment (in a combat zone), staying out of the lines of fire (while saying directly in the thick of combat to rep and revive) et al most certainly do require some level of HP, what level of HP is directly proportional (inversely) to level of speed in many cases as you need enough speed to GTFO when under fire and enough HP to have sufficient time to employ your allotted amount of speed.

Without the minimal levels of combined speed and HP needed to at least flee effectively then any role is in a very poor state indeed. (Sententials can't flee very well, but they still highlight this point as they have enough HP to tank incoming fire and kill the hostile forces, that however is clearly not what we want a support role to do so agility makes sense).

Perhaps I should just wait and see. I find there nothing to complain about while running Logistics over Assault. I accept I am playing the support healer role and that typically results in less HP than tank or DPS counterparts.

All I am saying is that I fundamentally disagree with the premise of the Speed vs HP curve.

One one end of the spectrum you have your Fast, Low Hp Scouts, on the other your have the Commando and Sentinels Slow and with high HP values.

In the middle I am convinced it would be better to have the standardised Medium Frames of the Assault and Logi with similar speeds one having more HP, the other having lower HP in exchange for 3x Equipment Slots and better EWAR.

I don't see why the Logis can't be faster so they can live to fight another day, or at least get to cover (a pipe dream for current low HP, low speed Logis). Being faster also helps a Logi set up a nest that is waiting for the assault to take place from.

The Assaults will still have more stamina, and better stamina regen. They will still have more HP, and be better suited for combat. They will still be able to run down a lone survivor Logi. The proposed "numbers" may be a tad too much, but I'm fairly certain the actual gap between Assaults and Logis is up for debate, hence this thread.

And I am not saying they can't or shouldn't have it. Just asking why it requires the Assault suit role to take a hit and why the Logisitcs Class a supporting role needs speed that is above that of your frontline suits.

I just don't understand why Logistics cannot achieve all of those other lofty goals that Cross talked about while having an equivalent speed value which is a direct speed buff to Logi while not fundamentally impacting on the Asssault Role.

I think I have been phasing it incorrectly.

What I should have been saying is "Why do assaults need to be slower than you in order for you to Logi properly?".

E.G- The difference between the sprinting speed of the Amarr Assault and the Amarr Logi is 0.35 m/s. [Amarr Logi = 6.37 , Amarr Assault = 6.72 meters per second unmodified by skills].

Where is the harm of standardizing their mobility values so that both move apace.

Perhaps I should just wait and see. I find there nothing to complain about while running Logistics over Assault. I accept I am playing the support healer role and that typically results in less HP than tank or DPS counterparts.

Have you played any of the other Logis? Or are you speaking from the view of using the only actual combat focused Logi?

None of their bonuses are something that helps them you know... assault! I am sorry but the reload and dispersion bonuses are not cutting the cheese for cal and gall assaults. Now they get nerfed. The assault class has no identity it doesn't know what they are.

No good bonuses, some of the weapons for each race do not even excel nor work properly with their own suits. Like, example the Rail rifle currently is being wielded by gall assaults such as myself because i know it is a much better option than to use an assault rifle. I have zero business to use a duvolle on my gall assault because it is just not worth it other than for fun. When it comes to PC in a competitive setting that is where everything changes. Play styles change, suits change, weapon's personality changes.

Why? why would i not use the gall's racial weapon in a competitive setting? because... it sucks. Simple as that. To use an AR on a gallente and shoot what it feels like a bb gun against a wall of tanked out proto heavies with infinite reps.The weapon even in CQC even though it is a CQC weapon it gets owned by the RR and CR. The racial bonus for it is just not good enough to help. Whilst my rail rifle in my gall assault it can get the job done against armor at close, medium, and long range so why should i bother to use a duvolle?

i could go on and on about the caldari and ammar but that is just my thoughts of how the assault class as right now they have no identity, we do not even got their racial bonuses right much less what their role in the battle field is. To me they are currently just there to fill the game with content and that's about it.

Staying out of the line of fire requires speed, and if that "line of fire" is defined by someone wielding a weapon, say an assault with a CR, AR, RR, or SCR, then that "line of fire" can advance on you, meaning your relative speed becomes very relevant indeed. Furthermore placing equipment (in a combat zone), staying out of the lines of fire (while saying directly in the thick of combat to rep and revive) et al most certainly do require some level of HP, what level of HP is directly proportional (inversely) to level of speed in many cases as you need enough speed to GTFO when under fire and enough HP to have sufficient time to employ your allotted amount of speed.

Without the minimal levels of combined speed and HP needed to at least flee effectively then any role is in a very poor state indeed. (Sententials can't flee very well, but they still highlight this point as they have enough HP to tank incoming fire and kill the hostile forces, that however is clearly not what we want a support role to do so agility makes sense).

A rather vivid description of why the racial assault skills need to be revisited. Wouldn't hurt to have a clear vision on how light weapons, especially the rifle types, are supposed to work 'naked' compared with how they should work when optimized by synergy with their proper racial assault.

+1 well said

It appears that you still have no presented a reason why the logi needs to be 'faster' than the assault