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Killer's Coys wrote:

Francois Sanchez wrote:

Here is what I get with caldari assault and commando (buffing the HP as much as possible while keeping one complex armour repairer for the commando) :
The commando
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/3167

The assault
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/5674

Now add 150 eHP to the assault and one complex armour plate, the assault has the same damage output, slightly more eHP, the same reload speed, better shield recharge delay and rate, better scan profile and precision, a better stamina and is faster than the commando.

... And that's why we call them "Assault"

Don't forget, assault only has 1 light weapon, the fit is more expensive
The fit commando : you can fit others things, you have many PG which are free
For the assault one, that's just enought
And don't play assault with armor plate and armor repair please Shocked

The dmg mod aren't +10% together, the first makes +5%, the second +3.8% (for example)

AND PS : Caldari assault'll have 3 low slots with 5 hight, ytes I now, that's cool, I'm very excited

PS2: all assault aren't like this one

EDIT : PS3: the idea is assault and commando are almost the same, isn't it ?

Commando is a support class
Assault is an assault class
So, assault must have many HP, stamina, speed and regen (I speak for the Calda)
Commando must make damage, so you can get 1-2 damager on your fit, and have enought HP to survive... and stay behind assault, to help them.
I don't understand why people think commando is to make assault's job...
That's a Caldari assault suit : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5676
Add an enhanced cardiac regulator and it's ok
=> The assault has 40HP/s shield regen, a good stamina and stamina regen, the Assault RR, and an enhanced damager
For the Commando : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5677
=> You have 855HP life....
=> you have 35HP/s shield regen
=> you have 6HP/s armor repair
=> you have 2 proto weapon : Kaalakiota RR and Assault Ishukone RR
=> K-2 nanohive
=> enhanced damager
That's what must have a commando ck.0
Why ?
- with the 2 RR, you can kill people from far
- you can be independent (armor repairer, nanohive)
- you can get 35hp/s shield regen

So, I don't know what's the problem, if you fit correctly and you play good your class, there aren't any problem...


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Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 38	Posted - 2014.07.16 19:45:00 - [1] - Quote Hey Rattati I like what you propose, however I noticed a little mistake in the commando table (maybe somebody has spotted it , but I didn't see a post about this), the commando doesn't have a secondary weapon and 2 light weapons, he can replace a light by a secondary, so the number of slots is 7-6-5 (P-A-S)
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 39	Posted - 2014.07.23 09:34:00 - [2] - Quote Personally I would prefer high slots and a regulator. There should be logis to rep you most of the time
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 39	Posted - 2014.07.23 09:46:00 - [3] - Quote Sure, but even without a logi I prefer 4 high slots and 1 repper, the shield recharge delay is super low anyway
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 39	Posted - 2014.07.23 09:49:00 - [4] - Quote And looking at the assault buff, I'm now a bit worried about commandos. With 8 slots and 150 extra EHP, assaults can easily become harder to kill than commandos while taking 2 damage mods to compensate commandos natural bonus.
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 39	Posted - 2014.07.23 10:23:00 - [5] - Quote Here is what I get with caldari assault and commando (buffing the HP as much as possible while keeping one complex armour repairer for the commando) : The commando http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/3167 The assault http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/5674 Now add 150 eHP to the assault and one complex armour plate, the assault has the same damage output, slightly more eHP, the same reload speed, better shield recharge delay and rate, better scan profile and precision, a better stamina and is faster than the commando.
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 41	Posted - 2014.07.23 12:14:00 - [6] - Quote Killer's Coys wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Here is what I get with caldari assault and commando (buffing the HP as much as possible while keeping one complex armour repairer for the commando) : The commando http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/3167 The assault http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/903/5674 Now add 150 eHP to the assault and one complex armour plate, the assault has the same damage output, slightly more eHP, the same reload speed, better shield recharge delay and rate, better scan profile and precision, a better stamina and is faster than the commando. ... And that's why we call them "Assault" Don't forget, assault only has 1 light weapon, the fit is more expensive The fit commando : you can fit others things, you have many PG which are free For the assault one, that's just enought And don't play assault with armor plate and armor repair please The dmg mod aren't +10% together, the first makes +5%, the second +3.8% (for example) AND PS : Caldari assault'll have 3 low slots with 5 hight, ytes I now, that's cool, I'm very excited PS2: all assault aren't like this one EDIT : PS3: the idea is assault and commando are almost the same, isn't it ? Commando is a support class Assault is an assault class So, assault must have many HP, stamina, speed and regen (I speak for the Calda) Commando must make damage, so you can get 1-2 damager on your fit, and have enought HP to survive... and stay behind assault, to help them. I don't understand why people think commando is to make assault's job... That's a Caldari assault suit : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5676 Add an enhanced cardiac regulator and it's ok => The assault has 40HP/s shield regen, a good stamina and stamina regen, the Assault RR, and an enhanced damager For the Commando : http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/84/5677 => You have 855HP life.... => you have 35HP/s shield regen => you have 6HP/s armor repair => you have 2 proto weapon : Kaalakiota RR and Assault Ishukone RR => K-2 nanohive => enhanced damager That's what must have a commando ck.0 Why ? - with the 2 RR, you can kill people from far - you can be independent (armor repairer, nanohive) - you can get 35hp/s shield regen So, I don't know what's the problem, if you fit correctly and you play good your class, there aren't any problem... I don't say that's the way I want to fit those two classes, it was just an example to show that the assault can beat the commando at nearly everything. In my example, the only advantage the commando has is the two light weapons, which isn't much better than the light+sidearm+grenades of the assault. About the damage mods, you don't add them, but multiply them so in the example I gave, the assault has a DPS of 491 and the commando 493, so the same. I also think that commandos are supposed to get max damage (my minmatar commando has only damage mods on the left), but in that case, they're much more fragile than assaults who are medium suits, and that's what shocks me as the commando is still a heavy. Your fits really give different roles to the commando and to the assault because it's the way Caldari are supposed to be played, but if you take Amarr suits, it's completely different as both will rely on a high armour. In this case, the commando is beaten everywhere because the assault can get nearly the same damage with his 3 high slots and he has the nice overheat bonus which is much more useful than reload speed for laser weaponry. Here you can do whatever you want with the commando, the assault can do the same or even better