No, its a scouting role that spots enemies, but dont kill as effectively as a slayer scout.

Please elaborate

I suppose but it being entirely passive at that range is why we're so pissed off at the Caldari Scout stepping on the toes of the Gallente Logistics O.o;

The Gallente scout changes should honestly be held off until after hotfix alpha drops, the benefit of a Gallente scout is stealth but that really is its only benefit. Reducing it's ability to stealth opens up the doors for the meta to shift from the Gallente to the Caldari.

If the Gallente cannot passively hide from an equally stacked Caldari scout then the Gallente has now become obsolete. At the same time a Gallente scout shouldnt be able to pick up a Caldari scout with equal dampeners than he has precision enhancers. It should work out as in a situation were a Caldari scout has 3 precision enhancers and 2 damps a Gallente has 3 profile dampener and 2 enhancers, none will be able to passively scan each other. Leaving just the two to go unaware of each others presence or let their eyeballs do some work.

As for the Minmatar and Amarr scout the issue is that they cannot hide very well either, I think a good change for them could be removing one of their bonuses and swapping it with either a profile dampening bonus and a scanning bonus.

We want to stick to the dampening removal on cloaks.

How, and you only have one stat to change, do we do that while not making Gallente scout the only viable (PC) meta?

Go!

I need to follow up on this internally

Negative. Scouts are made for recon. This should stay as is, if not advance to team share instead of just squad share.

I don't think everyone is pissed off at cal scouts stepping on a toes of a class that disappeared once scanning required some skill due to a function that quite a few don't know about.

Your arguing a precision v precision meta, but the recent changes have zero to do with that. I think your more shocked with your revelation more so than what is being balanced here.

What is changing is the the precision vs dampening meta, which has the potential to throw one of two scouts as thy scout and nullifying the other 3 suits.

Going with a high precision and low range for the caldari scout, has us treading into extremely unfamiliar territory in regards to balance as we now open an entirely new front where the drop in range may not justify the amount of precision or where the amount of precision is too higher to be functional for the other scouts to function against.

Or is you are just talking about just a flat removal of of that bonus and nothing else, given the present data and the changes, suggesting an effective removal of a ghost slot from the caldari scout will somehow balance scouts is a little hard to comprehend considering that the current changes still favor the gal scout even without the scanning range.

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Anyone of these (alone without any other modifications) is a horrible idea which puts us right back into 1.7 where scouts were being perma scanned (bar a gal scout with 4 dampeners).]

They should remove the squad sharing passive scans (as was the idea in the first place)

You WHAT!!!???

In 1.7 you could run a medium suit with 2 complex damps and avoid proto scanners - If a scout was perma-scanned in 1.7 it had 0 damps on the suit.

I was always against removing the cloak dampening as I always knew it would mess up the meta, particularly for the already underused min and Am scouts, I was also quite vocal about it. If it has to be done I suggest this:

Significantly increase the effect of profile dampeners. Make complex a 50% reduction or similar. I know sombody else suggested this.
I also support changing the Gal and Cal bonuses to module bonuses.

I need to follow up on this internally

Please elaborate

I would support the plan put out by Revo and Jebus McKing.

The ability for scouts to passively scan wide areas for their squad means that they're essentially a walking, permanent wall hack for 5 other people. After the cloak change, the Gal scout will be able to see everything above 23.79db within 75m while being undetected himself (if he builds for it). The Cal scout will see everything above 14.91 for the same radius, which creates a barrier that most scouts can't enter unless they get torn to shreds by the 5 other people.

If you want Cal scouts to remain as the hunters of other scouts, then they should have to hunt down enemies themselves. So aside from removing the shared passive vision, I'd suggest the following changes (based loosely on Jebus' suggestions).

Cal scout: short range precision scout hunter
25% precision
25% reduction to nova knife charge time (nova knives are a cal weapon)

Gal scout: ghost
25% dampening
25% cloak regen

Min scout: hack and run
25% hacking speed (Min scouts get a higher base stat for this anyway, no need to buff it more)
10% bonus to biotics (with their high base melee damage and speed, this opens up a lot of options)
edit: Someone pointed out the numbers on +25% on biotics, so changed it to +10%

Ama scout: squad scan support, scans most suits except scouts
25% bonus to ferroscale and reactive plates (I've heard changing movement penalties is hard to make work, so this makes more sense)
25% scan range (gives Amarr their own E-war role and makes sense considering their weapon choices hit out to similar ranges)

Also, I'd like to note that while balancing around PC makes some sense considering it's the only full team vs full team mode right now, it has the issues of a limited map pool and limited playerbase. If they're serious about balance changes, I'd rather see full team FW enabled and have them take those figures into consideration too. FW is open to far more people and uses maps outside just the limited large socket selection.

I'm guessing you never played against Nyain San (or others... I was running a GalLogi with Focused Scanners when we were up against a lot of Scouts)

Besides I remember Appia sharing a GalLogi fit with 3 enhancers that could pick up those silly 2x dampened medium suits. Funny how the GalLogi of old was a better scout than scouts was.

Scanning table for 1.7: LINK

*Sigh* I'm guessing you don't like being told you are wrong? Well..... you're wrong.

That table is trash, in reality 2 complex damps + the passive dampening skill brought a medium suit under 15db - I'd actually suggest that CCP math was way out and that 2 complex damps + the passive from the skill gave you a 75% reduction to profile - giving a medium suit with 2 complex damps a 12.5DB profile.

But what the **** do I know? I only ran a Medium suit with 2 complex damps for all of 1.7 and never got scanned, ever. So obviously I'm talking ****. So **** off you ******* ********.

So your fix to Minmatar and Amarr is making them gal and cal scouts, lol