Ok, scouts, please come back to me on this problem, exactly as I word it.

Here is the premise

1) I want to encourage stealth players to go to proto cloak
2) GA scout will be the only scout that is completely unscannable
3) Not let GA scouts be the only stealth scouts and use cloaks

So, I have been told, I can verify when I am back at work, that if we change the cloak to be at 10% dampening instead of 5% at PRO, at least 3 stealth scouts are viable with cloak, GA, CA and MM. I think that's fine, I don't think everyone should be equally good at everthing. Amarr will get a look soon.

Max scan precision from CA scout is 17 (if my math is correct), terribly close to 16.

Since I want the only thing to beat the 100% dedicated scout scanner to be a 100% dedicated stealth scout.

A triple complex dampened, GA scout with a cloak at the new 10% level is at 13.5 or 14 dB.

That means we can reduce the GA Scout bonus to 15% from 25% and still stay under the CA scout at 15.3 or 16dB.

Thereby forcing the dedicate GA scout to sacrifice a low in most cases, so that he can't spend it on armor.

For the coup de grace, we can reduce the range of the CA passive scan a little bit because it's unnecessarily good.


Please respond to this in a civil manner, we are actively trying to listen and adapt our proposals based on your feedback.

So removing the innate 3 hp/s?

or reducing it.

Ok, scouts, please come back to me on this problem, exactly as I word it.

Here is the premise

1) I want to encourage stealth players to go to proto cloak
2) GA scout will be the only scout that is completely unscannable
3) Not let GA scouts be the only stealth scouts and use cloaks

So, I have been told, I can verify when I am back at work, that if we change the cloak to be at 10% dampening instead of 5% at PRO, at least 3 stealth scouts are viable with cloak, GA, CA and MM. I think that's fine, I don't think everyone should be equally good at everthing. Amarr will get a look soon.

Max scan precision from CA scout is 17 (if my math is correct), terribly close to 16.

Since I want the only thing to beat the 100% dedicated scout scanner to be a 100% dedicated stealth scout.

A triple complex dampened, GA scout with a cloak at the new 10% level is at 13.5 or 14 dB.

That means we can reduce the GA Scout bonus to 15% from 25% and still stay under the CA scout at 15.3 or 16dB.

Thereby forcing the dedicate GA scout to sacrifice a low in most cases, so that he can't spend it on armor.

For the coup de grace, we can reduce the range of the CA passive scan a little bit because it's unnecessarily good.


Please respond to this in a civil manner, we are actively trying to listen and adapt our proposals based on your feedback.

Sounds reasonable to me.

From what I can see the base case for scouts is TACNET invisibility. An unfitted scout cannot see another unfitted scout. So it seems reasonable to give the Gal the edge over the Cal for the same amount of effort. Not to mention the fact that passive scans are shared (which is good for squad play and synergy IMO).

I want to see battles where scouts go "Ooh I didn't see him coming I better spawn with more precision. Ah there he is!" followed by the opponent going "Damn! He spotted me. Time for more damps."

But a gal logi only needs to fit a single piece of equipment that costs them very little.

Honestly, you won't get any gal scouts attempting to remain hidden. They will just brick tank instead.

4 slots(3 damps and an active pro cloak) to counter a single piece of equipment. It just sounds ridiculous. Seriously, no one will do it

I dunno if it's just cause it's late here but I think there's a slight bit of tension in the statements.

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Ok, scouts, please come back to me on this problem, exactly as I word it.

Here is the premise

1) I want to encourage stealth players to go to proto cloak
2) GA scout will be the only scout that is completely unscannable
3) Not let GA scouts be the only stealth scouts and use cloaks

So, I have been told, I can verify when I am back at work, that if we change the cloak to be at 10% dampening instead of 5% at PRO, at least 3 stealth scouts are viable with cloak, GA, CA and MM. I think that's fine, I don't think everyone should be equally good at everthing. Amarr will get a look soon.

Max scan precision from CA scout is 17 (if my math is correct), terribly close to 16.

Since I want the only thing to beat the 100% dedicated scout scanner to be a 100% dedicated stealth scout.

A triple complex dampened, GA scout with a cloak at the new 10% level is at 13.5 or 14 dB.

That means we can reduce the GA Scout bonus to 15% from 25% and still stay under the CA scout at 15.3 or 16dB.

Thereby forcing the dedicate GA scout to sacrifice a low in most cases, so that he can't spend it on armor.

For the coup de grace, we can reduce the range of the CA passive scan a little bit because it's unnecessarily good.


Please respond to this in a civil manner, we are actively trying to listen and adapt our proposals based on your feedback.

I am sorry, I honestly can not understand what you are trying to say. On that note but not towards you specifically, I would frankly prefer that all emotion would just be removed as much as possible out of the feedback threads and just have a logical conversation. Otherwise this won't work as intended.

No no I have emotion, but all positive and giddy. rofl.

What i am saying by the statements seem to have tension is that your premise says

"I want to make gal the only one truly unscannable"

the problem is the move from 5% to 10% conflicts with this premise in that it allows min and amarr min/maxing to get under all scans as well. Which is what i advocate for until you can properly revisit e-war in a more comprehensive manner.

Sacrificing all your slots for one equipment is ******** and un balanced

Good
Every scout if they fill all lows should be unscanabke
It's only balanced to thier role.

No no I have emotion, but all positive and giddy. rofl. And i'm often terrible at explaining things so let me try this again.

What i am saying by the statements seem to have tension is that your premise says:

"I want to make gal the only one truly unscannable."

the problem is the move from 5% to 10% conflicts with this premise in that it allows min and amarr min/maxing to get under all scans as well. Which is what i advocate for until you can properly revisit e-war in a more comprehensive manner.

considering it's 5 seconds and has an enormous cooldown and can only hit a limited range and radius, I disagree.

If you want to be immune to a maxed out end all be all scanner from 1 suit in the game...then you will have to sacrifice.

Otherwise...put on 2 damps to get under the rest and deal with the 5 second scans from that 1 suit.

Except cal. In my estimation they could not be truly unscannable and I love that.

They are the master scanners but gave up the ability to be truly unscannable in the process.

Plus balancing for you to be Uber unscannable with only 2 lows would be difficult.

6 mil sp vs 6 mil sp
Broken scanner wins
Overpowered
They can fill all thier equipment slots and abuse it
I only have two slots, both with complex damps, a maxed out scout should be un scan able by everything
Wallhax is what makes this game ******** when it's un avoidable.

And all three aside from the cal WILL be able to choose to be unscannable, but at a cost my friend.

In 1.7 meta the focused was a tiny bit too strong but it was really close to the right place.

Just because a scout was picked up for 5 seconds is not the end of the world.

And if they don't want 2 be picked up even by that, then they can choose to make a large sacrifice to get under it.

And that if they manage to pick you up with the damn things limited range and radius in the first place.

Um its called nerf focus scanner by 5 sb or buff cal db
If I sacrifice all my lows for pro damps on a SCOUT, I should never be scanned, otherwise I want my respec for the unbalanced gal scout.

The whole point of scouts is to avoid scanning
Yet only gallente can do it which is unbalanced.

ok, I should have worded the first premise "at least one scout is unscannable", not "just one"

Oh golly, listen brosef.

I disagree a cal scout should be unscannable when it only has 2 low slots. I just do.

For the reasons stated.

Currently all 4 can get under all scans if i'm correct.

and after this patch you will be able to continue getting under focused scans if you sacrifice.

There are people who abuse the cal scout
If a scout has all lows filled you should be unscanable
It's the whole damm point of the role.

Which is what we're saying will happen...are you drunk? O_O

Aside from cal scout (which sacrificed the ability to be COMPLETELY unscannable) all the rest will be able to avoid every scan.