*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp

Please reconsider this change. It throws off the whole 3-2-1 reps thing with Gallente suits and seems like over-nerf. If you're going to change the scan radius bonus to be abysmal, switch the bonus to passive reps to compensate for the reduction, please.

why the hell would you nerf the scan radius of the gall scout below the cal? we're suppose to be their polor counter, just makes sense.

In summary

Overall we generally agree that
1)GA scout could fit too much because of his native dampening
2)GA scout also got a free repair module on top of that
3)GA passive scan bonus doesnt necessarily make sense for role
4)CA scouts passive scan (fondly known as wallhacking) a tad too much
5)Cloak gameplay with dampening is a key factor in fun ewar
6)The need to specialize is enforced in a big way with power graduation
7)To not force equipment selection by having built in scout bonuses for the cloak specifically (such as duration for GA)


Cloak keeps dampening, and at better rates than we originally proposed, 0-5-10 instead of 0-2.5-5
*GA scout damp bonus to 3% per level instead of 5% for a maximum bonus of 15%
*Reducing CA passive scan to 3% from 5%
*Reducing GA passive scan to 1% from 5% (I would think this gets changed to something more fitting later)
*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp
*Duration changes stay the same as original proposal with the same recharge ratio as the old cloak

Updated Hotfix Alpha Numbers

No changes to shared group scans
No changes to Gallogi FS, it is a very narrow scan with a limited steatlh counter by another role than CA scouts. I want to see how that plays out.
No changes so bonuses affect modules fitted (a much bigger change)


I have updated the google docs accordingly

Ok...


Lets start off by saying this.

-The codebreaker modules need to be changed to high slot modules. (gives you more of a reason to be a racial min)
-The caldari prec change is fine, but the gallantes range extension should be equal to it. 3% per lvl.
- The gallante self rep at 3 is fine, with cal reps at 50 p/s, if you nerf one, you should nerf the other.
-The gallante base precision should be lowered (to compensate for keeping the range amp bonus, and to help cal scouts out)
-The gal scout should need 2 complex dampeners/cloak to evade a cal scout, and like wise for a cal with 2 dampeners/cloak to evade a gall scout with 2 complex precision mods
-The ar needs a 4-5% buff, cbr -2%
-The amar assault needs it last slot applied.
-The proto cloak should be active at least 60s. Theres no way to hack an objective, let alone even run across the fields to get there with the current times.

CCP please reevaluate your proposed changes, and think it through a bit more.

I believe my ideas may be of use :(

What the hell. Really.

I stay off the forums for a few days, and apparently I've lost my chance to state my opinion about a four-way nerf to the suit I use 98% of the time. Well, I'm gonna state it anyway. So there.

I'm fine with the cloak nerf. I'm fine with the armor regen nerf in addition to the cloak nerf. It's starting to hurt when you add the dampening nerf, but I can see reasonable arguments being made for equipping another dampener.

When you add the scan range nerf on top of that, though, it gets a bit silly. 1 stinking percent per level? At level 5, that makes for a whopping 1 meter increase over the base scan range. Throw a complex range extender on, and the total range increase you get from that suit bonus is 1,45 meters. Woohoo.

You might as well just remove the whole bonus. It's useless anyway. If it's removed, at least I get to complain like the Amarr scouts have been doing over their single specialization bonus.

Seriously, it's like giving a waiter a 10 cent tip. It's an insult - it would be far better not tipping at all.

Yeah, the range nerf is the ONLY one I don't really agree with at the moment but due to gallente slot layout we can achieve greater range than the other 3 scouts but at a cost. Not that we can get our precision low enough to detect anything that tries to avoid it but it sure helps for vehicle spam (when is that going to be fixed?).
I think minmatar speed/hacking needs buffed and/or gallente speed/hacking reduced. yeah i'm asking for more gallente nerfs and I run gallente 99% of the time I just want minmatar to have there perks.
I don't care if they remove the amarr religious nut job scum.

if hacking mods were in high slots, the matari would hack circles around the gallante, while still being dual/triple dampened (matari)

if hacking mods were in high slots, the matari would hack circles around the gallante, while still being dual/triple dampened (matari)

+1
That would for sure be a much better option for the hacking.
gallente should still not ever be able to come close to a speed stacked minmatar run/sprint speed IMO.
the gallente slot layout just leaves so many options with there bonuses.

only problem is the cal scout with 4 codebreakers :p

put kin kats, and codebreakers in high slots, rest in low? :\

i dunno :p i just spam options.

(puts bowl down)

Yeah, I think I broke my spreadsheet changing so many options trying different ideas.

(puff puff pass)

put kin kats, and codebreakers in high slots, rest in low? :\

i dunno :p i just spam options.

(puts bowl down)

that would allow (matari to be faster, or hack quicker)
that would allow (amar to be fast, and have room for stamina, good for uplink running?)
would let gal scout have limited speed, and able to dampen/range amp
would let cal scout go all prec. happen and dampen, or even super speedy scout with low stanima lolol

well they're going to screw us anyways and not give us a respec. nothing to lose. lol

Lost my dignity along time ago.

Train into the cal scout and join the new master race! :)

Edit: sarcasm / no plans to do this, also this is the new master race of SCOUTS... lets not do anything about those crazy heavies this build right guys?

What happened to 'one step at a time'?

Start with the cloak-to-firing nerf, couple with a reduction to 25/45/90

Dampening can be dropped, i agree with this. However it completely negates the use of Min Scout, who used to require 2 damps + cloak to be invisible, now it needs 3.

This nerf leaves minscout no capability to speed tank, instead requiring 3 damps.

I propose, for starters, we drop DB reduction to 15/20/25% between tiers.

This makes basic a usable entry tier, while Prototype is specialized(not to mention the fact that non-Gal scouts need to sacrifice very little)

I need to follow up on this internally