In summary

Overall we generally agree that
1)GA scout could fit too much because of his native dampening
2)GA scout also got a free repair module on top of that
3)GA passive scan bonus doesnt necessarily make sense for role
4)CA scouts passive scan (fondly known as wallhacking) a tad too much
5)Cloak gameplay with dampening is a key factor in fun ewar
6)The need to specialize is enforced in a big way with power graduation
7)To not force equipment selection by having built in scout bonuses for the cloak specifically (such as duration for GA)


Cloak keeps dampening, and at better rates than we originally proposed, 0-5-10 instead of 0-2.5-5
*GA scout damp bonus to 3% per level instead of 5% for a maximum bonus of 15%
*Reducing CA passive scan to 3% from 5%
*Reducing GA passive scan to 1% from 5% (I would think this gets changed to something more fitting later)
*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp
*Duration changes stay the same as original proposal with the same recharge ratio as the old cloak

Updated Hotfix Alpha Numbers

No changes to shared group scans
No changes to Gallogi FS, it is a very narrow scan with a limited steatlh counter by another role than CA scouts. I want to see how that plays out.
No changes so bonuses affect modules fitted (a much bigger change)


I have updated the google docs accordingly

I still don't get the idea of reducing the passive scans for gal scout. I honestly don't think its an issue and that only the dampening bonus is an issue that makes the scout OP. Do you guys think the passive scans on the gallente scout is OP. If not why change it.

I mean...I dont think it's a major factor...but here's a question.

How does it fit in with what the gal's specialty is?

What is the gal's specialty role?

In what way does the gal scout deserve that bonus?

Cloak keeps dampening, and at better rates than we originally proposed, 0-5-10 instead of 0-2.5-5
*GA scout damp bonus to 3% per level instead of 5% for a maximum bonus of 15%
*Reducing CA passive scan to 3% from 5%
*Reducing GA passive scan to 1% from 5% (I would think this gets changed to something more fitting later)
*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp
*Duration changes stay the same as original proposal with the same recharge ratio as the old cloak

Ok, here's my issue. I'm going to ignore the fact that all of these conversations are distilling the scout role (particularly the gal scout role) into something that inherently MUST use the cloak, so all must be balanced around the cloak. I could go into detail exactly what I think of that and the cloak, but I am trying to be civil here ;)

However. 3 hp/s regen is too much? really? for the scout suit of the race that you guys, when designing and implementing your long awaited suit rebalance and update (very, very long awaited. you certainly had time to work on it) decided should have those inbuilt reps as per the lore.

Fine. 3 hp/s is too much for a scout, apparently because "it's a free adv rep module". Then, for the love of all that is holy, explain to me why the Cal scout needs its insanely high shield regen? That, btw, is also a free module, one would have to use proto energizer on a Cal assault to reach even comparable shield regen.

In summary

Overall we generally agree that
1)GA scout could fit too much because of his native dampening
2)GA scout also got a free repair module on top of that
3)GA passive scan bonus doesnt necessarily make sense for role
4)CA scouts passive scan (fondly known as wallhacking) a tad too much
5)Cloak gameplay with dampening is a key factor in fun ewar
6)The need to specialize is enforced in a big way with power graduation
7)To not force equipment selection by having built in scout bonuses for the cloak specifically (such as duration for GA)


Cloak keeps dampening, and at better rates than we originally proposed, 0-5-10 instead of 0-2.5-5
*GA scout damp bonus to 3% per level instead of 5% for a maximum bonus of 15%
*Reducing CA passive scan to 3% from 5%
*Reducing GA passive scan to 1% from 5% (I would think this gets changed to something more fitting later)
*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp
*Duration changes stay the same as original proposal with the same recharge ratio as the old cloak

Updated Hotfix Alpha Numbers

No changes to shared group scans
No changes to Gallogi FS, it is a very narrow scan with a limited steatlh counter by another role than CA scouts. I want to see how that plays out.
No changes so bonuses affect modules fitted (a much bigger change)


I have updated the google docs accordingly

I hate having the suit you skill into get changed so much. Wish I was cal scout now like the majority of PC scouts I see.

Rofl, didn't you see?

50% of scout use if gal.

Being unscannable with only 1 low slot > all.

Even with the new numbers caldari scouts cant see a galente scout (both not using modules). And even then galente gets the upper hand cause damps>precision enhancers. Then you add the +10% damp effect of a proto cloak on it and we are circle jerking.

I have faced 10+ cal scout in a PC battle, never seen that with gal scout.

In summary

Overall we generally agree that
1)GA scout could fit too much because of his native dampening
2)GA scout also got a free repair module on top of that
3)GA passive scan bonus doesnt necessarily make sense for role
4)CA scouts passive scan (fondly known as wallhacking) a tad too much
5)Cloak gameplay with dampening is a key factor in fun ewar
6)The need to specialize is enforced in a big way with power graduation
7)To not force equipment selection by having built in scout bonuses for the cloak specifically (such as duration for GA)


Cloak keeps dampening, and at better rates than we originally proposed, 0-5-10 instead of 0-2.5-5
*GA scout damp bonus to 3% per level instead of 5% for a maximum bonus of 15%
*Reducing CA passive scan to 3% from 5%
*Reducing GA passive scan to 1% from 5% (I would think this gets changed to something more fitting later)
*Reducing GA regen to 1/hp from 3/hp
*Duration changes stay the same as original proposal with the same recharge ratio as the old cloak

Updated Hotfix Alpha Numbers

No changes to shared group scans
No changes to Gallogi FS, it is a very narrow scan with a limited steatlh counter by another role than CA scouts. I want to see how that plays out.
No changes so bonuses affect modules fitted (a much bigger change)


I have updated the google docs accordingly

I hate having the suit you skill into get changed so much. Wish I was cal scout now like the majority of PC scouts I see.

I am going to say this now and most of you are not going to like it.

The idea of a mechanic invulnerability through ingame things should not or ever been a thing. The game of absolutions is not eve themed for the universe enough to warrant such gimmicks. While you can point to the cloak being this way in eve; you have to remember this is a long time problem along with local in null that has turned into a deadlocked feature planning on resolution.

Just because you got 0.001+ over another players counter number shouldn't account for this slight margin of error; this is the whole reason why sharpshooter was removed in the first place and weapon falloff was brought in.

Scanners and Detection should follow a similar route to eve's lock system. Greater the differences in scan vs stealth the longer it takes for one to appear on that target's radar; this will ultimately require a rebranding work on acceptable detection rates at various sizes/roles as well as sensor falloff strength for those sizes/roles as well as detection speeds expected. A heavy could be blind as a bat but if a scout stays behind him for a minute he may just get noticed. Throw damps on and you will not get seen as quickly as someone who is in the nude. Perform an action and mayhaps increase the rate of detection (firing your gun/ activating your ability) While this type of idea is likely impossible for dust 514. Don't expect the thinking of absolutions to survive into Legion.

*snip*this is the whole reason why sharpshooter was removed in the first place and weapon falloff was brought in.

*snip*Don't expect the thinking of absolutions to survive into Legion.

Give an e-hp reduction for each dampener used.


I am fine with the invisibility however to require an entire clip from a mass driver to kill one scout is to much (I have been using a mass driver since it has a 4 round clip, I do NOT miss). Also this isn't a second stat. FIX BEING ABLE TO SHOOT FROM CLOAK!!!! 2 seconds (minimum) after switching from cloak for any equipment or weapons to be able to be used.

Also, you get to choose 2, preferably one that the gal scout gets to keep.
1) Omnipresent (Highest non-vehicle top speed)
2) Omnipotent (Can kill a heavy in 3 shots and can roughly 3/4 the armor of one)
3) Omniscient (Can see all and be seen by none)
Because the gal scout is currently all three.

But, yes, being able to shoot from cloak and then, even better, being able to instantly recloak is utter bullshit.

Don't expect the thinking of absolutions to survive into Legion.

Get Gud scrub

How's the murder taxi business going nowadays, darling, I haven't been run over by you in what feels like months

You're going to have to change more than one stat. You pretty much have to rework every scout. This isn't just about the gallente scout. It's about ALL scouts. You have to think about how this cloaking change will effect EVERY scout.

Do not balance around pubs and general laziness. Balance around a competitive environment where people will counter something. If every scout can be countered easily then no one will run e-war. Previously scouts were practically useless in PC because the tacnet system in this game is ridiculous.

A scanned scout is a dead scout. If every scout can be scanned there is no point in running scout because it has no role.