How on earth does it take a full clip from a mass driver to kill a scout (if you're not missing at all)? Please explain.

Also.

1) I guess the Gal scout CAN be speed tanked to be the fastest suit... at which point it will have no armour or damps in the lows.
2) That's the shotgun, not the suit. Also, with that much armour on a gal scout you have relatively slow speed and no other utilities (like damps) in the lows.
3) Can see all (ish) if high slots are used up by precision enhancers (nothing wrong with that) but that combined with dampeners to be completely under the radar does not amount to very high HP and speed, though some of either, sure.

I just don't see how you think that the gal scout can be 2 of these extremes at once, let alone all 3... Wait, do you even Gal scout, bro? ;)
(BTW, don't anyone start on me how the gal scout should make those sacrifices and shouldn't be able to do all of that at once, I certainly don't think it should either, my point is it isn't all of those things at once now either)

And, further again, the shotgun =/= the gal scout, the cloak =/= the gal scout. A suit should not be balanced solely around the assumption of one weapon or one equipment that might be used on it.

But, yes, being able to shoot from cloak and then, even better, being able to instantly recloak is utter bullshit.

About the Gal scouts:

*Auto repair nerf: The Auto-Repair for the Gallente Scout was too powerful,.Like the old Logi suits, it gave the Gal scout a free slot. This change was completely warranted.

*Scan Range bonus nerf: The passive scanning of the current scout suits is too powerful, so I agree that it had to be balanced somehow. The scan range nerf to the Gallente scout may be too big (1%? lol), but it needed one. The Gal Scout is the stealth specialist, not the detection specialist.

*Dampening bonus nerf: In regard to the E-war between scouts, and with the changes made to the Cal scout, it might seem that E-war will be more balanced. Balanced between scouts. The problem comes when you consider the other big side of E-war, the active scanners. The Duvolle Focused Active Scanner, to be precise.

So, where's the nerf to the Caldari scout's shield regen rate, it is ridiculouly high and gives them a free slot by saving them from using a recharger/energizer.

You're right, the Caldari is the detection specialist, thus the bonus to scan precision... However, the Gallente scout's scan range is an integral part of being able to take advantage of that stealthiness. Being able to detect most enemies at a reasonable range helps in avoiding visual detection. And having a blind spot to other dampened scouts is the trade off.

I don't really agree that the small change to the Caldari scout's scan range balances out all the nerfs to the Gallente scout here. Making Caldari scout the most viable scout isn't balance either.

Now, my question is, why would ALL scouts need to be able to evade something as niche and low utility as the Duvolle Focused scanner? Hey, Gallente is supposed to be the stealth specialist, right? ;)

The scan radius is small, the visibility duration pathetic, and the cooldown absolutely ridiculous.

If some Gal Logi wants to use up equipment slots to use it to very briefly detect scouts that would escape other scans... Well, I honestly find it difficult to see a problem with that.

So, where's the nerf to the Caldari scout's shield regen rate, it is ridiculouly high and gives them a free slot by saving them from using a recharger/energizer.


You're right, the Caldari is the detection specialist, thus the bonus to scan precision... However, the Gallente scout's scan range is an integral part of being able to take advantage of that stealthiness. Being able to detect most enemies at a reasonable range helps in avoiding visual detection. And having a blind spot to other dampened scouts is the trade off.


I don't really agree that the small change to the Caldari scout's scan range balances out all the nerfs to the Gallente scout here. Making Caldari scout the most viable scout isn't balance either.

Now, my question is, why would ALL scouts need to be able to evade something as niche and low utility as the Duvolle Focused scanner? Hey, Gallente is supposed to be the stealth specialist, right? ;)

The scan radius is small, the visibility duration pathetic, and the cooldown absolutely ridiculous.

If some Gal Logi wants to use up equipment slots to use it to very briefly detect scouts that would escape other scans... Well, I honestly find it difficult to see a problem with that.

This post is full of win. I will add:

1. Gallente not being passive scan specialist is ok i guess, whats not ok is it being a nothing specialist. 1% radius bonus per level is laughable - you get 45% bonus with one module ffs. Even the 3% dampening is pretty poor given you get 25% from a module. Seems ccp's solution to the amarr scout issue is to make another scout that has no purpose. Gud job guiz .

2. Active scanner functionality is so pathetic compared to passive that it shouldnt really be in this discussion. You would have to carry four duvolle focused scanners and have them out almost constantly, making you highly vulnerable, to even get close to caldari scout scan coverage. Not to mention your suit is then severely compromised in other respects and costs around 250k isk.

I am going to say this now and most of you are not going to like it.

The idea of a mechanic invulnerability through ingame things should not or ever been a thing. The game of absolutions is not eve themed for the universe enough to warrant such gimmicks. While you can point to the cloak being this way in eve; you have to remember this is a long time problem along with local in null that has turned into a deadlocked feature planning on resolution.

Just because you got 0.001+ over another players counter number shouldn't account for this slight margin of error; this is the whole reason why sharpshooter was removed in the first place and weapon falloff was brought in.

Scanners and Detection should follow a similar route to eve's lock system. Greater the differences in scan vs stealth the longer it takes for one to appear on that target's radar; this will ultimately require a rebranding work on acceptable detection rates at various sizes/roles as well as sensor falloff strength for those sizes/roles as well as detection speeds expected. A heavy could be blind as a bat but if a scout stays behind him for a minute he may just get noticed. Throw damps on and you will not get seen as quickly as someone who is in the nude. Perform an action and mayhaps increase the rate of detection (firing your gun/ activating your ability) While this type of idea is likely impossible for dust 514. Don't expect the thinking of absolutions to survive into Legion.

Rofl, didn't you see?

50% of scout use if gal.

Being unscannable with only 1 low slot > all.

We want to stick to the dampening removal on cloaks.

How, and you only have one stat to change, do we do that while not making Gallente scout the only viable (PC) meta?

Go!

Heres the thing
There needs to be a way to completely avoid wall hacks, it's juat a ******** mechanic for bad players or abusers
There needs to be a way for scouts to avoid the op wall hacks, again, wall hacks are plain stupid.

Someone say Absolution?!

:D

IWS said that you guys will have no place in Legion.

I don't know what you did, but CCP must be pretty pissed about it.

D:

Seriously, you're swinging the nerf hammer pretty hard at Gal Scouts. What happened to your policy of not nerfing more than one thing at a time and making minor tweaks to see how it goes? You're slamming Gal Scouts with:

Scan range decrease from 5% - 1% per level. (Why even give it at all?)
Dampening per level from 5% to 3%
And regen from 3hp to 1hp
on top of that cloak dampening changes.

Pick 3 of the 4 - but adjust as you go. You're adjusting too much at once.

I just simply do not believe in having stats and numbers equating to immunity; if there is any sort of immunity to be gained it should be from player skills and player skills alone.

If you want to be undetected it should be sourced from player skills not because you shoved on a harry potter cloak and some sneakers on.

It should be because you poked the other guys eyes out; threw sand in their face and darted around like a wild illusioned shadow.

I just simply do not believe in having stats and numbers equating to immunity; if there is any sort of immunity to be gained it should be from player skills and player skills alone.

If you want to be undetected it should be sourced from player skills not because you shoved on a harry potter cloak and some sneakers on.

It should be because you poked the other guys eyes out; threw sand in their face and darted around like a wild illusioned shadow.

Compounded nerfs have a consistent history of breaking things, but this one might work. It could've been a lot worse. In the end, Rattati did well. Scouts should be fine, Gal included.

Unless, of course, I'm missing something.

I just simply do not believe in having stats and numbers equating to immunity; if there is any sort of immunity to be gained it should be from player skills and player skills alone.

If you want to be undetected it should be sourced from player skills not because you shoved on a harry potter cloak and some sneakers on.

It should be because you poked the other guys eyes out; threw sand in their face and darted around like a wild illusioned shadow.

If you want to detect players it should be sourced form player skill, not because you shoved on a magical scanning wand and waved it in the air.

It should be because you keep your head on a stick, watch your back, and check the points.

Gallente will still be able to be unscannable, will have the second best range and still have some regen where no other suit has any.

Gal can be most damped or fastest sprinter or have the most scan range. They also have the ability to use their low slots to hack well, cover much distance at speed or armor tank with better regen than any other scout.

The Gal scout will most likely still be the best all-round scout, just not head and shoulders above.