My biggest problem is that while you can try and improve your average accuracy to about 70% with M/KB in its current (very flawed) state, Auto Aim always ensures about 80-90%.

Before AA it was 70% vs 60% on average.

The numbers, as always, taken out of my ass.

My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage.

My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage.

True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct.

This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%.

I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS.

The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk.

As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change.
And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here.

Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake.

Yep as a mouse user you can't have a tight CQC vs a DS3 where as us mouse users are fighting to keep the mouse/joystick emulation on target the DS3 is a sollid strafe and aim assist to help you keep tracking...

The DS3 is damn near flawless with aim assist, just give mouse users back rawinput like in chromosome then if any of us get beat by a DS3 there is no excuses..

Especially with the new rifles being released I'd like to be able to track some one accurately at 70+m with my rail ;)

But till then kb/m folks should stop feeding CCP money..

So you blame COD for you not being able to play DUST with a KB/M huh?

I was playing PC games since before you were a swimmer in your Dads junk so be careful who you are calling kid.

Stop QQing about not being able to play a FPS on a console with your crutch, HTFU, adapt or die, play with the DS3, or GTFO!

DS3 working as intended.

What is it with this mind virus that "balance" between DS3 and KB/M is a desirable goal?

The goal should be to make DS3 the BEST it can be, and make KB/M the BEST it can be.

Also, why does it matter that the collection of chips and wires this game currently runs on is a "Console"? This hardware has USB ports and NATIVE mouse support. Why should tradition have any say into what the ports are used for? That type of thinking is what kills innovation.

The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on.

A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game.

Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed.

I gave up on M/KB for Dust since the Uprising blunder. Now, after they introduced auto-aim, the least they could do out of god faith is give us raw input. All this does is nerf player skill by having a gremlin toy with your preferred interface.

As a long time PC gamer I would have to agree that I would love to see both controllers working at the best both of them can be, however the problem then becomes the simple fact that the KB/M will always come out on top of the DS3 100% of the time.

You then get 80 million PS3 owners pissed that the DS3 sucks compared to the KB/M and major QQ happens.

Ahhhhhhh now the Devs are tasked with balance so there is no QQ.

Exactly but we can't just give up the minority have to stick together and raise hell or CCP thinks everything is fine, which I really don't want to believe they as gamers could be that naive. You would think some Dust devs come rom PC FPS background and pick up the current kb/m setup and are like holy hell this is bad....

I used to be of the opinion that the mouse is tremendously superior to the joystick. After playing with and against the top players in this game(even before auto-aim, never mind after...) I'm no longer convinced that the DS3 is at a big disadvantage.

Conceptually yes, there is some inherent inferiority with the DS3 compared to KB/M, but I don't think that switching from DS3 to KB/M will turn a Scrub into an All-Star.

There's plenty of scrubs running around in PC shooters to vouch for that.

It's the same fallacy as thinking that buying 300 dollar sneakers and some fresh gear will turn you into Micheal Jordan.

So no, a KB/M player will not come out on top 100% of the time.

And while I might say that the mouse (if it were working properly in this game, AND if auto aim were removed for the DS3) would impart a 10-15% improvement in performance to the average player, is that such an unfair advantage? Especially being that the 15% is obtainable by going to Walmart and spending $20 bucks and putting in 2 weeks of practice? The same way many in this game spend real money on boosters to increase their skill points for similar increases in performance?

CCP needs to educate the whiners to the facts, ignore the QQers, and stop whatever initiatives they have going on this fail mission of "balance". The difference in performance does not validate the gimping of any control scheme. And if these KB/M restrictions are in place when the game launches on PC, it'll be another blow to the growth of this game.

All m/kb users who are unhappy with the current controls and sensitivity should let their voice be heard..

File a support ticket, create threads, raise hell till we get a response/acknowledgement from Devs..

• The aim and control sticky in the feedback section has now been removed


• Even after multiple kb/m users expresed their concerns with the current mouse emulation vs DS3 aim assist there was never a response from a Dev..


• Friends of mine who use kb/m and myself have posted support tickets and they refer us to post on the forums. .


• The small minority of vocal mouse users who make threads have half trolls and half users struggling with the following..

Wobbling ADS
Inaccurate hip fire slides left and right
Acceleration to slow on some mouse types

Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc

When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it...

Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. .

Bumping for some KBM love.

We were supposed to get an overhauled control system. I understand Wolfman has been busy with multiple projects he didn't anticipate but a simple update would be appreciated.

I used to be of the opinion that the mouse is tremendously superior to the joystick. After playing with and against the top players in this game(even before auto-aim, never mind after...) I'm no longer convinced that the DS3 is at a big disadvantage.

Conceptually yes, there is some inherent inferiority with the DS3 compared to KB/M, but I don't think that switching from DS3 to KB/M will turn a Scrub into an All-Star.

There's plenty of scrubs running around in PC shooters to vouch for that.

It's the same fallacy as thinking that buying 300 dollar sneakers and some fresh gear will turn you into Micheal Jordan.

So no, a KB/M player will not come out on top 100% of the time.

And while I might say that the mouse (if it were working properly in this game, AND if auto aim were removed for the DS3) would impart a 10-15% improvement in performance to the average player, is that such an unfair advantage? Especially being that the 15% is obtainable by going to Walmart and spending $20 bucks and putting in 2 weeks of practice? The same way many in this game spend real money on boosters to increase their skill points for similar increases in performance?

CCP needs to educate the whiners to the facts, ignore the QQers, and stop whatever initiatives they have going on this fail mission of "balance". The difference in performance does not validate the gimping of any control scheme. And if these KB/M restrictions are in place when the game launches on PC, it'll be another blow to the growth of this game.

The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on.

A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game.

Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed.

Only PS3 Scrubs are left in Dust 514.....

+1

FWIW, I think one design point of the overhaul would be separate sensitivity settings between hipfire and ADS, as it is today it is practically impossible to set up your m&kb to work well in both scenarios. Setting sensitivity for hipfire destroys ADS, and visa versa.

Hummm.........

LOL

You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard.

There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions.

Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth.



What is it with this mind virus that "balance" between DS3 and KB/M is a desirable goal?

The goal should be to make DS3 the BEST it can be, and make KB/M the BEST it can be.

Also, why does it matter that the collection of chips and wires this game currently runs on is a "Console"? This hardware has USB ports and NATIVE mouse support. Why should tradition have any say into what the ports are used for? That type of thinking is what kills innovation.

The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on.

A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game.

Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed.

You're honestly wondering why the backseat control mechanism is taking.... The back seat? Seriously?
100% of all console users have console controls... Less than 20% for KB/M.

Not to mention they now have to evaluate those new controller emulators --t he keyboards that have their own mouse emulation built right into them.

.... Where did you hear any of this? Yes, they do have an exclusivity contract with Sony that will last several years....

So then lets say that there is no advantage at all over the DS3 by using a KB/M, lets say only a players skill is the advantage.
Why has CCP restricted the KB/M, yet they have buffed the DS3 with aimbot?

When you say there is no difference between input controll on kbm compaired to ds3 you just blowing smoke out your hole te super strafers also get pin point accuracy whilst strafing like a motha fuca .

When did I say there is no difference? Read my posts in this thread.

There is no such thing as "super strafing" keyboard users. Again, read my posts in this thread.

Mouse does not have pin point accuracy, and on top of that does not have auto-aim like the ds3. Again, read my posts in this thread.

And if you don't want to read my posts, then just test it yourself before more nonsense falls out of your mouth.

Unless spewing nonsense is your natural condition. In that case, see a doctor, and GTFO and leave this thread to its intended purpose of addressing the issues with KB/M.

Just hylighted where you said there was no difference.

also you can and will strafe better with kbm as it is much easier and quicker to tap 2 fingers back and forth than it is to wiggle your ds3 analog stick thusly strafing with kbm lets you change direction much quicker.

Because this is a console game.

Sorry, maybe you forgot?

Honestly... screw kb&m. This is a console game. You can't have both on one system.

You're method is superior to controllers in every aspect, its scientifically been proven for the last 30 years. That's why controllers have consoles to play on and kb&m had their PCs...

If you seriously want equality, it can never happen. You can only be gimped to being worse than a controller, or made to be better. The differences between the to platforms are too great to make equal. And kb&m has more advantages over controller, so how do you make it equal?
By giving controllers insane Aim Assist? They already tried that... people didn't like it. Back in Beta, all I used was kb&m on DUST because it was still superior to controller. To be able to land EVERY shot from an SMG from 50m away can kill anyone. It was easy mode, especially since the controller is whack to use in DUST.

In my experience, the lack of precision in the controls in the number 1 reason people quit this game.

There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ......

You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it.

There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ......

You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it.

No, just you seem to not realize the simple fact that KB/M isn't built to be anywhere near fair to DS3.

Theres a reason things like full 360's can be done with a flick of the wrist with a Mouse but not a controller.

There's a reason NO other console game was ******** enough to think the KB/M wasn't going to be better in every way then DS3.

Yet, you feel like it is too much for you to swap the KB/M with the one thing that EVERYBODY gets when they buy a PS3?

So you blame COD for you not being able to play DUST with a KB/M huh?
Kinda funny!

I was playing PC games since before you were a swimmer in your Dads junk so be careful who you are calling kid.

Stop QQing about not being able to play a FPS on a console with your crutch, HTFU, adapt or die, play with the DS3, or GTFO!

DS3 working as intended.

If you want to bash KB/M go start your own thread about why it should be removed from the game.

Let's get back on topic.

This thread is about a feature in this game that needs much improvement.

Wolfman did say the kb/m was getting some love, iirc. My memory, imperfect as it is, says that this had been pushed back to 1.7.

Wish we could get some confirmation on this how much love ? Chromosome love or just let me tweak this and stick you kb/m guys and gals on the back burner for another 4 months....

Yet Kb/m got it's own update in what? 1.4?
Did ds3 get ANYTHING that patch? No. Removed turn cap, fixed sensitivity, fixed Ads sensitivity.
dS3 got ****.
Stop demanding the spotlight PC scrubs.

Edit: fixed some spelling.

Yet Kb/m got it's own update in what? 1.4?
Did ds3 get ANYTHING that patch? No. Removed turn cap, fixed sensitivity, fixed Ads sensitivity.
dS3 got ****.
Stop demanding the spotlight PC scrubs.

Edit: fixed some spelling.

Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.

Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.

If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.

You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me.

Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.

Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.

If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.

Edit: people like myself who are way better with k/b and mouse by far that have switched to it and laughed at how easily they own ds3 users, I'm looking forward to it. Expect serious trolling if I don't encounter any problems and its just like and PC fps.

I'm sorry, the fact that KB/M support is available for Dust is flat out ********. Why does the PS3 support KB/M? Did anyone ever think maybe that was because the PS3 has a web browser? Probably not. If the intent was for gameplay, why are RTS games almost non existent on the PS3? Trust me, i'd love to play StarCraft or something on my PS3, I was a PC gamer long before I was a console gamer. Petition all you want, KB/M users are and always will be the minority, and that's the way it should be. This is a stupid conversation, and the fact CCP included KB/M support to cater to Eve players (they didn't? Name any other PS3 shooter that supports KB/M ((really hope I don't eat my words on that lol)) is even stupider.

[quote=TechMechMeds]Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.

Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.

If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.

Edit: people like myself who are way better with k/b and mouse by far that have switched to it and laughed at how easily they own ds3 users, I'm looking forward to it. Expect serious trolling if I don't encounter any problems and its just like and PC fps.

Counter Strike GO supports mouse... there... eat you words. Also, mouse user are minority NOW, they weren't in Chromosome, it was 50/50 then.

Maybe they put the emulator there to ween pure k/b and mouse users onto a controller because seriously you can't honestly say that if we had raw input we wouldn't ROFL stomp, the advantage would have me laughing my arse off watching ds3 users trying to turn lol and I don't think CCP could do something that stupid without a motive.

All m/kb users who are unhappy with the current controls and sensitivity should let their voice be heard..

File a support ticket, create threads, raise hell till we get a response/acknowledgement from Devs..

• The aim and control sticky in the feedback section has now been removed


• Even after multiple kb/m users expresed their concerns with the current mouse emulation vs DS3 aim assist there was never a response from a Dev..


• Friends of mine who use kb/m and myself have posted support tickets and they refer us to post on the forums. .


• The small minority of vocal mouse users who make threads have half trolls and half users struggling with the following..

Wobbling ADS
Inaccurate hip fire slides left and right
Acceleration to slow on some mouse types

Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc

When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it...

Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. .

Within the last week I have picked up the shotgun ( level 5 ) out of boredom with other weapons. I don't see how you do it, the hit detection is absolutely atrocious. I have used every other weapon in Uprising ( other than Plasma Cannon ) they all seem to be fine other than the poor shotgun.

Lol fk knows what's has happened with that quote, hope you get the reply lol

Wow, make a KBM thread and watch every drooling subhuman on the forums rant about how controllers are the only acceptable input device for consoles. Take a second to let what we're saying sink in.

I can't make this more clear, morons; when KBM was at its absolute best DS3 still dominated.
If you are mad at KBM users killing you you're bad. You should feel bad.

How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?

Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM?

Hurr CONSOLE

You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard.

There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions.

Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth.

How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?

Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM?

Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users.

Just about....

The point is... If i am a Mouse user vet.. and i mean 10+ years Vet, and i can get 17 to 20 kills easily with the DS3, but straggle to get more than 7 kills with the mouse... is something obviously wrong with this picture, don't you think ?

It makes you wonder... a lot.....

True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct.

This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%.

I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS.

So for the interest of the health of the community, this which shall be put to death by fire!

Arent you a fast one to sacrifice?

I love how every single argument in the "debate" was self-proclaimed representation of the majority.

Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction.

Well, if a sacrifice will gain the favor of god/gods, yeah, kill it quick.

And yeah, DS3 is the majority. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You may want to remove the quotations from around debate on your post. I've been fairly level headed in my posts on this thread, as have many KB/M users. I'd like to continue the debate, but it seems you are the one who wants to have a "debate". As far as i'm concerned you want nothing but raw input. If that's not the case please enlighten me in a civilized manner.

You're kidding, right? Proper grammar is always important.

Raw input? God forbid, that would imply no deadzone and shaking all over the place.
A non-sh!tty control scheme is what I want.

And you seem to mistake this thread for "Should KB/M Users be phased out?".
If you want a civil discussion about phasing out players, have it in there.

Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users.

Not on a game forum you sad git lol.

You are a moron. CCP added KBM support because they refused to put it on PC (where real shooters belong) to weed out all the 12 yr old mouth breathers. Unfortunately CCP went with PS3, but atleast they had voice chat off by default so I didnt have to listen to you kiddies eat your mics.

KBM needs to be raw input. The only argument against it that you can manage to scrape up is that "dis iz consul" crap. We had great aiming before with KBM and DS3 in Chromosome, which was before many of you scrubs joined up here.

I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by.

Seriously parenn, you have to be a troll neckbeard to think grammar matters on a fking game forum, Get real squirt I'm on a tablet,, that's about a years pocket money to you.

This post is so blatantly trying to justify a big advantage, I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by.

They included KB/M because the game originally was supposed to go full multiplat, and they kept KB/M because nieche appeal is what they make their money from.

Lol. You know, when someone tries to use age as a reference in these forums it usually to mask their own age.

Alright, so lets all get on the same page here. Beeeees, not trying to phase out KB/M users. Just don't want them having normal PC input (you know, cause we aren't on a PC). You say KB/M users don't want raw input?

Well apparently your buddy Paran Tadec disagrees with you.

Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.

As for you Paran Tadec, I highly doubt CCP included KB/M support because they didn't put the game on PC. I would imagine it was due to the fact that almost nobody on the planet knew Dust was even coming, aside from Eve players, and they hoped to gain more players by including KB/M. I don't know what "kiddies" you are referring to, but maybe you need to switch corps if you don't like the age group of your current one. You can't hear the enemy, and if you are in squad or corp chat you can't hear randoms. I would also suggest actually reading the thread, since there are plenty of reasons for lack of KB/M support in the community beyond "dis iz consul". Also, i'm not sure if you are aware, but you spelled those 3 words wrong.

You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider.

Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc

When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it...

Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. .

You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider.

Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.

Are you focken serious m8?
How long do you think this debate goes on?

Good for you to be calm about this only joining in the debate today. At about 6th mentally challenged individual sh!tting in MY cornflakes a day because they feel like jumping a bandwagon I start to lose my temper. Especially when I get baited for ad hominem and then called out for it by a twink.

Are you focken serious m8?
How long do you think this debate goes on?

Good for you to be calm about this only joining in the debate today. At about 6th mentally challenged individual sh!tting in MY cornflakes a day because they feel like jumping a bandwagon I start to lose my temper. Especially when I get baited for ad hominem and then called out for it by a twink.



In Chromo and now still top players are supposedly DS3 users, your point doesnt stand an inch.
The DS3 got aimbot level auto aim right now, so there IS a way of not putting DS3 at a disadvantage, it already exists.

So, now that all the grabass-ery is out of the way. Beeeees, in what way would you like to see the current KB/M setup changed? I'm not trolling, i'm seriously curious. The others in your camp seem a bit.......special........but I would like to know what exactly you are looking for from your KB/M.

There still seems to be a communication break down.

I am not saying KB/M is to powerful now.

I am saying expected KB/M performance would be more powerful than DS3.

I am saying on the Playstation 3 Home Video Game Console, with a large portion of the player base using the standard PS3 control device, or Dual Shock 3, giving the KB/M performance that would be expected from a normal PC FPS is a very bad idea.

I have also asked what changes you would make to the KB/M that would, in your eyes, be fair to both PS3 and KB/M, and I am still waiting for something other than anger.

EDIT: Disregard, I see your above post.

Current KBM is fine, but only if you remove aim assist for DS3.

Simple.
Positive and negative acceleration has to go. I dont need anything more, I want a 5 degree movement from my elbow to translate to roughly the same result every time I move my mouse.

I realize that speed caps were a must (before aimbot), but to make me turn slower the faster I move my mouse to the point I do not turn at all is grade A bullshit.

Currently, long range shooting can be a bit tricky with the DS3 (sniping is the best example). At long ranges the DS3s movement is not very fine at all, and lining up a head shot with said sniper rifle requires a trial and error of moving cross hairs far away from the targets head, then moving back towards the head, hoping that when you stop you land right on it, because moving the crosshair just an eight of a centimeter is nearly impossible with the DS3.

Lol Paran and Beeeees.

I personally would like AA to be removed, but at the end of the day, when I picture KB/M, I picture all the FPS games I've played on PC, and that is what scares me, and lessens my support of KB/M. If a happy medium could ever be found, I would have no problems.

We are depending on this balance to come from CCP though, and that should be the scariest part for both sides.

You talking about few Unreal mouse users...that have incredible reflexes and tactical awareness, with inhuman accuracy. That doesn't means that EVERY mouse user is like that. When i get in the Zone with the mouse, it looks like i using every single hack you can think of... but i have 10 years of experience, and a lot Pro Competitive gaming when i was younger. Just because some people can do that, doesn't means that everyone can do it too.

I wish Tekken Tag 2 has KB/M input.

lol inb4 "It's a fighting game"

I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS.

Just curious...

How's the PS Move support?

The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk.

As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change.
And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here.

Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake.

we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own.

we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own.

What happen to our kb&m ADS and hip fire ses settings for 1.6

Delayed.

Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming.

Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming.

And there wasn't much complaining about DS3 vs. KBM

Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming.

Raw input? God forbid, that would imply no deadzone and shaking all over the place.
A non-sh!tty control scheme is what I want.

And you seem to mistake this thread for "Should KB/M Users be phased out?".
If you want a civil discussion about phasing out players, have it in there.

Bumping for some KBM love.

We were supposed to get an overhauled control system. I understand Wolfman has been busy with multiple projects he didn't anticipate but a simple update would be appreciated.

That-¦ll sure show him!

LOL KB/M users QQing!

Get off your crutch you e-p33n stroking trihards.

Or go back to your PC pew pew games and use your crutch, oh wait maybe you are not so l33t on the PC with your crutch so you have to use KB/M on a console in order to feel l33t.

LOL KB/M e-p33n stroking uber l33t trihards neck beards QQing about crutch, pathetic.

LOL KB/M users QQing!

Get off your crutch you e-p33n stroking trihards.

Or go back to your PC pew pew games and use your crutch, oh wait maybe you are not so l33t on the PC with your crutch so you have to use KB/M on a console in order to feel l33t.

LOL KB/M e-p33n stroking uber l33t trihards neck beards QQing about crutch, pathetic.

Its amazing how much the "get rid of KB/M" crowd resemble a bunch of racist tea party hicks bleating "they took our jobs"

Rejoice KB/M users CCP won't over look the rabid and obnoxious bleatings of these scumbags, they'll fix the mouse just to spite them.

You are correct about strafe speed (same).
But directional change is substantially different between DS3 and KB/M.
Don't be mad at me for pointing this out. Its a fact, dudebro.
What may be a miniscule difference at range is magnified up close.

Rerun your test up close, preferably in the Research Facility.
Make sure everyone's firing their guns (this summons the pellet phantom).
See how often that Shotgunner misses. While in his optimal (and only) range.
Spoiler: I don't have to run this test to know the outcome ... already have 100 times.

Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users.

So, from the discussion and my own meditation, here are the issues with KB/M right now.

- Mouse acceleration cannot be turned off or modified
- Trouble with mouse tracking, reason unknown, but may be related to:
- Trouble with sniping, fine input control appears to be ignored, there is a minimum amount of input required before your sights react, causing you to sweep across your targets.
- Unergonomic keybindings. X for grenades is terrible, makes you a sitting duck. We need the ability to change button functions for KB/M *AND* DS3
- Squad lead menus flakey, hard to set objective type.

Feel free to add to the list, I'll take it and post a new thread in the Feedback forum.

I don't know it seems like CCP has already given in to the masses because it was damn near perfect during Chromosome and like others have said there was nowhere near this amount of push back from DS3 users during chromosome and for some reason CCP handicapped the KB/M...

The real sad thing is the DS3 users complaining about kb/m throughout Uprising can be in no way legitimate complaints and for a DS3 user to complain about kb/m being OP in its current state or even vs raw input while DS3 users are running around with aim assist, that person has got to be the most scrub player out there...

How exactly would raw input make KBM superior when DS3 has AIM ASSIST? No one has answered that yet, because they need their crutches. I use KBM because it is more comfortable for me to use when playing at a desk (ps3 next to pc).I can pickup a DS3 and get a higher KDR due to aim assist vs. KBM, but again, its not comfortable. All KBM users want is for there to be no DS3 emulation trash over the mouse, as I nearly quit the first day of uprising due to it.

Secondly, KBM support wasn't in the original closed beta, but came in several months later. CCP had promised support for it earlier because the game was originally slated for PC and consoles, but then became a PS3 exclusive.

Third, the kiddies I refer to are kids like Techmeds. And the misspelling is mocking him. I'm quite shocked you didn't get that.

Aim Assist is now back to exactly how it was before 1.5 .. all your QQ about it has had it nerfed and we also have hit detection returned to how it was pre 1.5 as well so actually you are wrong on all counts .. this is what happens when you take all your info from other ppl QQ rather than using it yourself

If that's correct, that means there's a bug in the game. Which wouldn't be a surprise. I tested it by myself using landmarks and there was no difference because of the inertia. However if a remote player's client sees something totally different, CCP needs to look at the network/prediction code.

Aim Assist is now back to exactly how it was before 1.5 .. all your QQ about it has had it nerfed and we also have hit detection returned to how it was pre 1.5 as well so actually you are wrong on all counts .. this is what happens when you take all your info from other ppl QQ rather than using it yourself

On the contrary, current DS3 AA is fine, if you improve KB/M controls.

Sorry but when I saw you say that you use KB/M because it's more comfortable than using a Control Pad I couldn't help but LMAO, I have played MMO's for well over a decade on the PC and FPS games for well over a decade on the PC and I can honestly say that anyone who claims a KB/M is more comfortable than a CPAD is a lying f*cker

Be honest you use it either A.You have got used to using a KB/M from playing PC games for years and are too lazy and set in your ways to use a CPAD

B.You thought you'd have some kind of advantage from using KB/M

Aim assist and hit detection have been nerfed back down to pre 1.5 levels so there really is nothing to support what you say

Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming.

So 8 pages of multiple kb/m users making valid points and CCP continues to ignore this thread ? Guess the title is fitting. .

So, from the discussion and my own meditation, here are the issues with KB/M right now.

- Mouse acceleration cannot be turned off or modified
- Trouble with mouse tracking, reason unknown, but may be related to:
- Trouble with sniping, fine input control appears to be ignored, there is a minimum amount of input required before your sights react, causing you to sweep across your targets.
- Unergonomic keybindings. X for grenades is terrible, makes you a sitting duck. We need the ability to change button functions for KB/M *AND* DS3
- Squad lead menus flakey, hard to set objective type.

Feel free to add to the list, I'll take it and post a new thread in the Feedback forum.

You guys don't need fixes other than those that are glitches -_-
It's extremely annoying when your sniping or anything that requires precision.

I am afraid CCP has done exactly what they wanted to do with the KB/M in dust, artificially limit a users ability to shoot with it, these fine aim issues are a deliberate result of their emulator, when they first brought this in they over did it and everyone noticed the anti-aim assist, they claimed it was a bug and they toned it down but any logical person can see they are being dishonest.

The problem could be easily fixed by taking the mouse controls back to chromosome, but they won't and they don't even have the balls to come out and say it, I'd call them liars but that would require them to actually address the subject, they won't, they will lie by omission and salve their conscience by telling themselves they are balancing their game.

QFT the fact that CCP obviously doesn't give two ***** about the kb/m community is discouraging the lack of acknowledgment and down right alienating of this part of the community, unbelievable. ..

Or its quite smart, look though the thread and look at the likes the rattle users get for saying re-tarded catch phrases like "console game go back to playing PC FPS"

Simple fact is they are pandering to the masses and blowing kisses at the minority, gunna be a rude shock when the rattle users wake up and realise their consoles are being turned into PCs and they will be facing off against uninhibited KB/M users in nearly every game that can support it.

if you don't have the experience or dexterity for console gaming go play on your pc and stop whining.

I don't play pc games and whine it's not like console games.

d1ck.


if you go play tennis in football boots don't be surprised you keep falling on your face.

Give me raw input and CUSTOMIZED keybindings and I'll drop my controller in the toilet. Until then it's ds3. Whattaya supposed to do?

First to imply console gaming takes superior dexterity and experience is laughable, why did the controller users cry so damn much when aim assist was completely removed... ? I give props to the people that do not use aim assist and/or excelled before Uprising 1.4 without aim assist..

Please think back at when Aim Assist was removed, please remember how hard controller users flooded these forums with "your controls are sluggish" 'We can't aim" "Tracking is horrible" etc etc

Your analogy is of the utmost stupidity, CCP launched Dust514 with KB/M support, let me repeat, "WITH KB/M SUPPORT" So for CCP to handicap one input or another is only pushing away a player base/revenue especially when both were functional before uprising..

Here's one for you.. Before Uprising everyone was running around with "Football Cleats" Even though the controller cleats were surpassing everyone on the scoreboard, CCP removed all the cleats from the kb/m, because of this they were no longer able to hold traction on the field.. Why you ask, because of people like you, a small majority complaining because you assumed you were getting demolished by kb/m when in reality it's a very small majority of people playing next to you..

When ps4 comes out dust's numbers will surely stagger a bit. Add to the fact that m/kb players have been leaving in droves.(I left at the mention of auto aim without mention of m/kb fix) If and when CCP wants to save this game from your normal console turnover they will begin to cater or atleast listen to the m/kb crowd that tends to be more loyal and have deeper pockets to feed their economic endevour.

You talking about few Unreal mouse users...that have incredible reflexes and tactical awareness, with inhuman accuracy. That doesn't means that EVERY mouse user is like that. When i get in the Zone with the mouse, it looks like i using every single hack you can think of... but i have 10 years of experience, and a lot Pro Competitive gaming when i was younger. Just because some people can do that, doesn't means that everyone can do it too.

Give me raw input and CUSTOMIZED keybindings and I'll drop my controller in the toilet. Until then it's ds3. Whattaya supposed to do?

i dont want instant 180's etc but right now its the fine aiming thats the problem, its alot harder to get accurate hits when aiming at someone, it just feels wrong currently

this could be due to the aim assist that the pad has been given causing the issue - i cant be the only one who uses kb/mouse and has had the bug where your aiming reticle gets pulled in one direction constantly without touching anything

it could be mouse acceleration - will check this out shortly, mouse sensitivity is not what im asking for thats in the ps3 client and most gaming mice can have this set plenty fast enough (instant 180's aside)

CCP needs to try their best to make it fair for pad users and mouse users and i understand a pad is not as good and that the mouse will need to be gimped some but that should be in max turn speed or max dpi settings.

either way we really need to be able to change button configs same as im sure the pad users want, i never run squads as squad commands are a nightmare on kb, nades are silly, mele is silly.

have to admit i do wonder if they are ignoring kb users as most will have a PC aswell and like myself have cancelled their EvE sub to play Dust , i was putting my EvE sub money into Dust instead but that stopped with Omega boosters being silly and removing the Merc pack.

Still i like CCP and they will learn we will have good things to spend money on that dont break the game, we will get real kb/mouse support and it will end up on PS4 and hopefully PC in time.

Still want some kind of response from a Dev about this

p.s whats happened to SoxFour? would have expected a post from him by now i miss his posts even if they are trolls :D
First Dev to post gets a like from me :D

I am afraid CCP has done exactly what they wanted to do with the KB/M in dust, artificially limit a users ability to shoot with it, these fine aim issues are a deliberate result of their emulator, when they first brought this in they over did it and everyone noticed the anti-aim assist, they claimed it was a bug and they toned it down but any logical person can see they are being dishonest.

The problem could be easily fixed by taking the mouse controls back to chromosome, but they won't and they don't even have the balls to come out and say it, I'd call them liars but that would require them to actually address the subject, they won't, they will lie by omission and salve their conscience by telling themselves they are balancing their game.

if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings

it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue

Will 10 pages get us a response

Ds3 user here. Get dem kbm players some love!

All m/kb users who are unhappy with the current controls and sensitivity should let their voice be heard..

File a support ticket, create threads, raise hell till we get a response/acknowledgement from Devs..

• The aim and control sticky in the feedback section has now been removed


• Even after multiple kb/m users expresed their concerns with the current mouse emulation vs DS3 aim assist there was never a response from a Dev..


• Friends of mine who use kb/m and myself have posted support tickets and they refer us to post on the forums. .


• The small minority of vocal mouse users who make threads have half trolls and half users struggling with the following..

Wobbling ADS
Inaccurate hip fire slides left and right
Acceleration to slow on some mouse types

Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc

When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it...

Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. .

if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings

it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue

Will 10 pages get us a response

Mouse settings are being gathered here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1469303

They won't respond, this is exactly how they want it to be they know we will get sick of it and leave, while they get to say "oh yes we support keyboard and mouse" the people that haven't seen how well it worked in the past won't know the difference.

Logitech G700 with sensitivity set to max. It makes moving around easy but aiming at anything mid range and beyond is like a cross-hair slip and slide.

Console game.

-XOXO