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Xubber II
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:30:00 -
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I am a K/M user. I used to always be pretty much always in the top 3 every game. Now my I struggle to even kill. K/M is ruined. I dont want to use an aim bot controller. I want it to be all me. My 50 cents |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:32:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers. Will try to get good. In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard. There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions. Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth. Buttercup Chipmint wrote:True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct.
This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%.
I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. What is it with this mind virus that "balance" between DS3 and KB/M is a desirable goal? The goal should be to make DS3 the BEST it can be, and make KB/M the BEST it can be. Also, why does it matter that the collection of chips and wires this game currently runs on is a "Console"? This hardware has USB ports and NATIVE mouse support. Why should tradition have any say into what the ports are used for? That type of thinking is what kills innovation. The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on. A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game. Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed.
When you say there is no difference between input controll on kbm compaired to ds3 you just blowing smoke out your hole te super strafers also get pin point accuracy whilst strafing like a motha fuca .
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bolsh lee
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
619
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:37:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:M McManus wrote:All m/kb users who are unhappy with the current controls and sensitivity should let their voice be heard.. File a support ticket, create threads, raise hell till we get a response/acknowledgement from Devs..
- The aim and control sticky in the feedback section has now been removed
- Even after multiple kb/m users expresed their concerns with the current mouse emulation vs DS3 aim assist there was never a response from a Dev..
- Friends of mine who use kb/m and myself have posted support tickets and they refer us to post on the forums. .
- The small minority of vocal mouse users who make threads have half trolls and half users struggling with the following..
Wobbling ADS Inaccurate hip fire slides left and right Acceleration to slow on some mouse types
Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it... Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. . You're honestly wondering why the backseat control mechanism is taking.... The back seat? Seriously? 100% of all console users have console controls... Less than 20% for KB/M. Not to mention they now have to evaluate those new controller emulators --t he keyboards that have their own mouse emulation built right into them.
You realize neither input was "backseat" in Chromosome the only one that needed tweaked/aim assist fixed was DS3 and some even say DS3 was better pre uprising... The only complaint people had against the mouse was was it could spin faster then past suit restrictions (which it's still able to spin quicker then a Ds3 even with CCP's restrictions just not accurately ) now that suit turn speeds have been lifted there is no reason not to lift this bogus emulation setup they are making mouse users suffer with... |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
185
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:38:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: .... Where did you hear any of this? Yes, they do have an exclusivity contract with Sony that will last several years....
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-10-01-theres-no-deal-preventing-dust-514-being-on-pc-xbox
I am reaching a little bit by saying it's coming to PC, but why wouldn't it? Valve modified their build system to chuck out PS3, Linux and Windows binaries at the same time. If CCP does the same thing, they increase their potential revenue with each platform they add to their build system.
Buttercup Chipmint wrote:
So then lets say that there is no advantage at all over the DS3 by using a KB/M, lets say only a players skill is the advantage. Why has CCP restricted the KB/M, yet they have buffed the DS3 with aimbot?
Why did CCP mess with the Dropship Camera? Why did they introduce BPOs into the game that behave 100% different from their Eve counterpart? Why does a new leaked survey show that CCP is thinking about allowing weapon customizations, when the current weapons are horribly unbalanced?
CCP makes mistakes, and their vision for this game is still weak and blurry.
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KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
185
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:44:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers. Will try to get good. In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard. There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions. Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth. Buttercup Chipmint wrote:True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct.
This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%.
I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. What is it with this mind virus that "balance" between DS3 and KB/M is a desirable goal? The goal should be to make DS3 the BEST it can be, and make KB/M the BEST it can be. Also, why does it matter that the collection of chips and wires this game currently runs on is a "Console"? This hardware has USB ports and NATIVE mouse support. Why should tradition have any say into what the ports are used for? That type of thinking is what kills innovation. The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on. A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game. Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed. When you say there is no difference between input controll on kbm compaired to ds3 you just blowing smoke out your hole te super strafers also get pin point accuracy whilst strafing like a motha fuca .
When did I say there is no difference? Read my posts in this thread.
There is no such thing as "super strafing" keyboard users. Again, read my posts in this thread.
Mouse does not have pin point accuracy, and on top of that does not have auto-aim like the ds3. Again, read my posts in this thread.
And if you don't want to read my posts, then just test it yourself before more nonsense falls out of your mouth.
Unless spewing nonsense is your natural condition. In that case, see a doctor, and GTFO and leave this thread to its intended purpose of addressing the issues with KB/M. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:46:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:pegasis prime wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers. Will try to get good. In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard. There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions.
Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth. Buttercup Chipmint wrote:True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct.
This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%.
I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. What is it with this mind virus that "balance" between DS3 and KB/M is a desirable goal? The goal should be to make DS3 the BEST it can be, and make KB/M the BEST it can be. Also, why does it matter that the collection of chips and wires this game currently runs on is a "Console"? This hardware has USB ports and NATIVE mouse support. Why should tradition have any say into what the ports are used for? That type of thinking is what kills innovation. The future of this game is cross-platform, there are NO exclusive agreements with Sony, and this game WILL be fanning out to every platform CCP has the time, desire, and money to put it on. A PC version is coming, and you all need to get used to the idea of different inputs being a reality of this game. Now GTFO of this thread and let the issue at hand be discussed. When you say there is no difference between input controll on kbm compaired to ds3 you just blowing smoke out your hole te super strafers also get pin point accuracy whilst strafing like a motha fuca . When did I say there is no difference? Read my posts in this thread. There is no such thing as "super strafing" keyboard users. Again, read my posts in this thread. Mouse does not have pin point accuracy, and on top of that does not have auto-aim like the ds3. Again, read my posts in this thread. And if you don't want to read my posts, then just test it yourself before more nonsense falls out of your mouth. Unless spewing nonsense is your natural condition. In that case, see a doctor, and GTFO and leave this thread to its intended purpose of addressing the issues with KB/M.
Just hylighted where you said there was no difference.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:54:00 -
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also you can and will strafe better with kbm as it is much easier and quicker to tap 2 fingers back and forth than it is to wiggle your ds3 analog stick thusly strafing with kbm lets you change direction much quicker. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1143
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:54:00 -
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Wolfman did say the kb/m was getting some love, iirc. My memory, imperfect as it is, says that this had been pushed back to 1.7. |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
274
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:07:00 -
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I got so tired of crying about using my KB/M that I simply switched to the Controller, while also switching to the AR. Now I get the aim bot!
Though, I'm not very good at using the controller just yet, but it's the only way to continue playing. Sorry but you just gotta make the switch. To be honest, most games on PS3 don't have support for KB/M. Just get used to it and switch like I did. You'll eventually get the hang of it. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
185
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:10:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote: Just hylighted where you said there was no difference.
also you can and will strafe better with kbm as it is much easier and quicker to tap 2 fingers back and forth than it is to wiggle your ds3 analog stick thusly strafing with kbm lets you change direction much quicker.
You misstated what I said in your first reply implying I said there's no difference AT ALL between KB/M and DS3
But yes there is no difference WHEN IT COMES TO STRAFING SPEED.
Test it yourself. There is a minor delay in the human component, but it's basically imperceptible. Slamming a joystick left to right is not appreciably slower than switching from A to D, especially since your in game character has inertia and takes a good amount of time switching directions, no matter what your input speed was. |
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Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1284
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:11:00 -
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Because this is a console game.
Sorry, maybe you forgot? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1947
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:37:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Because this is a console game.
Sorry, maybe you forgot?
There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ......
You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it. |
8213
Grade No.2
503
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:44:00 -
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Honestly... screw kb&m. This is a console game. You can't have both on one system.
You're method is superior to controllers in every aspect, its scientifically been proven for the last 30 years. That's why controllers have consoles to play on and kb&m had their PCs...
If you seriously want equality, it can never happen. You can only be gimped to being worse than a controller, or made to be better. The differences between the to platforms are too great to make equal. And kb&m has more advantages over controller, so how do you make it equal? By giving controllers insane Aim Assist? They already tried that... people didn't like it. Back in Beta, all I used was kb&m on DUST because it was still superior to controller. To be able to land EVERY shot from an SMG from 50m away can kill anyone. It was easy mode, especially since the controller is whack to use in DUST.
In my experience, the lack of precision in the controls in the number 1 reason people quit this game. |
bolsh lee
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
619
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:56:00 -
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8213 wrote:Honestly... screw kb&m. This is a console game. You can't have both on one system.
You're method is superior to controllers in every aspect, its scientifically been proven for the last 30 years. That's why controllers have consoles to play on and kb&m had their PCs...
If you seriously want equality, it can never happen. You can only be gimped to being worse than a controller, or made to be better. The differences between the to platforms are too great to make equal. And kb&m has more advantages over controller, so how do you make it equal? By giving controllers insane Aim Assist? They already tried that... people didn't like it. Back in Beta, all I used was kb&m on DUST because it was still superior to controller. To be able to land EVERY shot from an SMG from 50m away can kill anyone. It was easy mode, especially since the controller is whack to use in DUST.
In my experience, the lack of precision in the controls in the number 1 reason people quit this game.
Banning Hammer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Because this is a console game.
Sorry, maybe you forgot? There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ...... You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it. |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1285
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:57:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Because this is a console game.
Sorry, maybe you forgot? There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ...... You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it. No, just you seem to not realize the simple fact that KB/M isn't built to be anywhere near fair to DS3.
Theres a reason things like full 360's can be done with a flick of the wrist with a Mouse but not a controller.
There's a reason NO other console game was ******** enough to think the KB/M wasn't going to be better in every way then DS3.
Yet, you feel like it is too much for you to swap the KB/M with the one thing that EVERYBODY gets when they buy a PS3? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1947
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:05:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Because this is a console game.
Sorry, maybe you forgot? There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ...... You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it. No, just you seem to not realize the simple fact that KB/M isn't built to be anywhere near fair to DS3. Theres a reason things like full 360's can be done with a flick of the wrist with a Mouse but not a controller. There's a reason NO other console game was ******** enough to think the KB/M wasn't going to be better in every way then DS3. Yet, you feel like it is too much for you to swap the KB/M with the one thing that EVERYBODY gets when they buy a PS3?
Listen.... EVERYONE can use the KB/M, as such isn't unfair. Unfair will be if only some people is allow to use it, for example cross-platform gaming... PC V's Console. But if ANYONE can use the mouse, it isn't unfair.
You can get a gaming mouse for as little as $10... how much is a modded DS3 ? |
bolsh lee
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
620
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:09:00 -
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In chromosome when the kb/m was damn near raw input ( if not raw input) no one complained in fact the majority of top players onthe leader board were DS3 and I played against a lot of competition in Chromosome, using the mouse when it actually worked and there were tons of good DS3 users who could go toe to toe with me and other kb/m users..
Sure the KB/M is superior but that doesn't mean the mouse user will always come out ahead when putting two good players one from each input against each other and Chromosome proved that..
Don't think we have ever heard from CCP about why they changed it didn't think it needed a "balance" added to it especially after suit restrictions removed.. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
189
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:19:00 -
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If you want to bash KB/M go start your own thread about why it should be removed from the game.
Let's get back on topic.
This thread is about a feature in this game that needs much improvement. |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2021
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:23:00 -
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Buttercup Chipmint wrote:Beeeees wrote:The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk.
As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change. And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here.
Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake. So you blame COD for you not being able to play DUST with a KB/M huh? Kinda funny! I was playing PC games since before you were a swimmer in your Dads junk so be careful who you are calling kid. Stop QQing about not being able to play a FPS on a console with your crutch, HTFU, adapt or die, play with the DS3, or GTFO! DS3 working as intended.
DS3 with aim assist is the ultimate crutch you scrub lmao. |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:30:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:If you want to bash KB/M go start your own thread about why it should be removed from the game.
Let's get back on topic.
This thread is about a feature in this game that needs much improvement.
Exactly, and yet still no blue tag response.
I keep going into each update hoping CCP ninja fixes/puts raw input back in and each update comes and goes and it seems like kb/m gets worse.. 1.4 brought us are amazing ADS wobble and reinvented mouse smoothing that made the wobble and hipfire sway that much mire frustrating.. |
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bolsh lee
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
625
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Posted - 2013.10.25 19:38:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Wolfman did say the kb/m was getting some love, iirc. My memory, imperfect as it is, says that this had been pushed back to 1.7.
Wish we could get some confirmation on this how much love ? Chromosome love or just let me tweak this and stick you kb/m guys and gals on the back burner for another 4 months.... |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
197
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:03:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Wolfman did say the kb/m was getting some love, iirc. My memory, imperfect as it is, says that this had been pushed back to 1.7. Wish we could get some confirmation on this how much love ? Chromosome love or just let me tweak this and stick you kb/m guys and gals on the back burner for another 4 months....
Yeah, some sort of Dev response would be good at some point, and Chromosome was much better in terms of the ability to track, but I would not want that turn speed cap to make a comeback.
Like I said earlier though, they need to stop messing around and just give everyone a real control panel for their controls.
Who cares what CCP thinks my controls should be like, how about I just configure it myself? |
Minako Nakajima
The Surrogates Of War
21
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:05:00 -
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DS3
the way it's meant to be played... for now
KB/M users just wait for your patch... |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
164
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:07:00 -
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Yet Kb/m got it's own update in what? 1.4? Did ds3 get ANYTHING that patch? No. Removed turn cap, fixed sensitivity, fixed Ads sensitivity. dS3 got ****. Stop demanding the spotlight PC scrubs.
Edit: fixed some spelling. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
197
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:15:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Yet Kb/m got it's own update in what? 1.4? Did ds3 get ANYTHING that patch? No. Removed turn cap, fixed sensitivity, fixed Ads sensitivity. dS3 got ****. Stop demanding the spotlight PC scrubs.
Edit: fixed some spelling.
Maybe you should edit your post again to fix the fact that you are totally wrong.
Auto Aim was added for DS3 in 1.4. It was kind of a big deal: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104023
Go start another thread about DS3 issues, you are not adding anything to this conversation. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1956
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:49:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Yet Kb/m got it's own update in what? 1.4? Did ds3 get ANYTHING that patch? No. Removed turn cap, fixed sensitivity, fixed Ads sensitivity. dS3 got ****. Stop demanding the spotlight PC scrubs.
Edit: fixed some spelling.
PC Scrubs ? where ? I thought we were all playing in the PS3 ......And believe me i so wish sometimes that we were playing in the PC. PC gamers are more.... mature. |
Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles
1491
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:50:00 -
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Yes. Kill emulation and give us raw input. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
922
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:02:00 -
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Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. |
Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles
1491
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:05:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.
You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
922
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:07:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me.
Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction. |
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