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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:17:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:FWIW, and at the suggestion of some in this thread, I got a fragfx and retired my mouse and keyboard.
I'm fairly happy with it, and I haven't had a chance to try the 1.7 controls with my old mouse yet -- but from what I'm reading there's still work to be done with it.
Yeah I got fed up with the damned broken KBM controls for this game. Hell, it took players screaming at the devs over 2 years ago at EVE Vegas to get ANY kinda KBM support in the way of a sheet with all the controls listed on it back during beta. And it wasn't until then that the devs realized that the "tooltips" were coded for controllers only and always said press "X" to activate inertial dampeners... Well the letter x on the keyboard doesn't do that! When the dev was told this it was like watching a light-bulb turn on behind his eyes.
Seriously, gotta at least let the KBM users remap the darned keys. Throwing grenades when trying to PTT is aweful.
Oh, and fix the verisimilitude of the game CCP!
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
726
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:42:00 -
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Im curious, If and when Dust comes to PC is CCP really going to try to market this emulation crap to PC gamers for the sake of balance. .. ?
Because seprate servers isn't really CCP's thing, but then again I didn't think nerfing kb/m was CCP's thing.... |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:14:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Im curious, If and when Dust comes to PC is CCP really going to try to market this emulation crap to PC gamers for the sake of balance. .. ?
Because seprate servers isn't really CCP's thing, but then again I didn't think nerfing kb/m was CCP's thing....
That there is the elephant in the room.
CCP is making design decisions to cater to the FOTM ADD couch potatoes, while ignoring the eventual reality of a cross-platform Eve/Dust universe. |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:21:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Im curious, If and when Dust comes to PC is CCP really going to try to market this emulation crap to PC gamers for the sake of balance. .. ?
Because seprate servers isn't really CCP's thing, but then again I didn't think nerfing kb/m was CCP's thing....
It's NEVER coming to PC. I dunno why people can't seem to understand that aspect of this game. To do so would majorly cut into their flagship game EVE Online and then both would die.
EVE = PC
DUST = console
Valkyrie = oculus rift
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
729
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:58:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Im curious, If and when Dust comes to PC is CCP really going to try to market this emulation crap to PC gamers for the sake of balance. .. ?
Because seprate server isn't really CCP's thing, but then again I didn't think nerfing kb/m was CCP's thing.... It's NEVER coming to PC. I dunno why people can't seem to understand that aspect of this game. To do so would majorly cut into their flagship game EVE Online and then both would die. EVE = PC DUST = console Valkyrie = oculus rift
Are you part of CCP's development or marketing team ? No ? Gotcha, so what you say is just about as relevant as people's outlook on a "possible" PC version.... Or of course, if you still care to be contentious feel free to link me to some form of media definitely stating that there will never be a PC version ? |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:14:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Im curious, If and when Dust comes to PC is CCP really going to try to market this emulation crap to PC gamers for the sake of balance. .. ?
Because seprate servers isn't really CCP's thing, but then again I didn't think nerfing kb/m was CCP's thing.... It's NEVER coming to PC. I dunno why people can't seem to understand that aspect of this game. To do so would majorly cut into their flagship game EVE Online and then both would die. EVE = PC DUST = console Valkyrie = oculus rift
Dude, in a lot of the Eve fleets I've been in, guys were playing Bad Company or World of Tanks in the lulls between combat. I'm sure they'd rather play a few matches of Dust instead.
And that's WHILE playing Eve.
Do you think Eve pilots only have Eve installed on their PCs and that's it? I guess you must've been the guy at Capcom screaming "NO, we can't release Street Fighter AND Resident Evil on the same consoles, WE'LL GO BANKRUPT".
The future of this game is cross platform. The next platform is likely the PS4, which is basically a PC hardware wise.
After making the necessary code changes to target the PS4, why not do the extra bit of work to make a PC binary?
EDIT: Also, the oculus rift is a peripheral, not a platform, and while console support is coming, it's currently only targeting PCs. |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:27:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Are you part of CCP's development or marketing team ? No ? Gotcha, so what you say is just about as relevant as people's outlook on a "possible" PC version.... Or of course, if you still care to be contentious feel free to link me to some form of media definitely stating that there will never be a PC version ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLldrBIEnJ5hPv95uN75sGS_Kwlm7ezUWD
goto the 47:45 mark
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
306
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:36:00 -
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You're seeing what you want to see.
The answers from CCP were "...Right now, laser focus, PS3... But continue asking it, as we change the world".
They did not answer the question. |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:38:00 -
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The Dualshock was fine in Chromosome... What are you talking about?
»We still have our honor!
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Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
34
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:25:00 -
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I would rather ccp give us a more raw m/kb input than work on bringing dust to pc. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1010
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:27:00 -
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they should just remove mouse support anyway and focus on the console controls (DS3 and Move). allow the use of keyboard for typing, that is all. |
Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:04:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:they should just remove mouse support anyway and focus on the console controls (DS3 and Move). allow the use of keyboard for typing, that is all.
I agree, mouse and keyboard do not require any support. PS3 has all of the support that m/kb need. Letting mouse and keyboard revert back to raw input would indeed free up a bunch of time for ccp to work on the ds3 and Move.
Win win for everyone... Good idea Jack! |
BullsON Parade
YourCorp NameHere
30
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:49:00 -
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Blondie Roads wrote:Jack McReady wrote:they should just remove mouse support anyway and focus on the console controls (DS3 and Move). allow the use of keyboard for typing, that is all. I agree, mouse and keyboard do not require any support. PS3 has all of the support that m/kb need. Letting mouse and keyboard revert back to raw input would indeed free up a bunch of time for ccp to work on the ds3 and Move. Win win for everyone... Good idea Jack!
Yes, ccp can you please stop crippling m/kb controlls to the point that I would just asume play Battlefield on Pc. TBO dust is a better game than BF 4, but the mouse input in Dust is a joke.
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Khan Hun
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:53:00 -
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I agree M/KB still feels awful compared to other shooters. |
Thumb Green
Novashift
601
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:54:00 -
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BullsON Parade wrote:but the mouse input in Dust is a joke.
Jokes are funny, the mouse input in Dust is just complete sh!t.
CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
203
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Posted - 2013.12.23 17:00:00 -
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As long as the kb/m and the controller have the same turn speeds and movement rates I dont really mind them balancing the two to improve controls. Its when the kb/m can spin 180 degrees in the blink of an eye that it becomes an issue in my opinion.
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BullsON Parade
YourCorp NameHere
30
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Posted - 2013.12.23 17:05:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:As long as the kb/m and the controller have the same turn speeds and movement rates I dont really mind them balancing the two to improve controls. Its when the kb/m can spin 180 degrees in the blink of an eye that it becomes an issue in my opinion.
You can spin fast now... The one thing mouse still accels at. The problem is once you spin it is very clunky to aim
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Darius Ashran
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.12.23 17:09:00 -
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Why are kb/m Users being ignored ?
Because trying to implement kb/m into a console games game play was a mistake to begin with.
Clear benefits when managing the UI of course given its complexity relative to typical console UI but that's about where the inherent merit ends for a console game.
kb/m is indeed the better overall control scheme thats not an issue for debate imo.However its just a unnecessary mess for a console game. I can only imagine all the time spent on the attempt to balance it with Ds3 and vice versa would have been better spent on actual meaningful development. Just another example of poor development prioritization in an already trained and mismanaged process. |
BullsON Parade
YourCorp NameHere
30
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Posted - 2013.12.23 17:25:00 -
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Darius Ashran wrote:
Why are kb/m Users being ignored ?
Because trying to implement kb/m into a console games game play was a mistake to begin with.
Clear benefits when managing the UI of course given its complexity relative to typical console UI but that's about where the inherent merit ends for a console game.
kb/m is indeed the better overall control scheme thats not an issue for debate imo.However its just a unnecessary mess for a console game. I can only imagine all the time spent on the attempt to balance it with Ds3 and vice versa would have been better spent on actual meaningful development. Just another example of poor development prioritization in an already trained and mismanaged process.
I disagree, here is why.
CCP has, as I see it, two problems. 1. Balancing issues 2. Player count issues
Almost every part of this game no matter how big are small has an impact on the game in terms of balance. M/KB is no exception. So assuming that everything that CCP does is gioing to effect the scales of balance we can throw out the idea that ballancing M/KB is greater or worse than ballancing anything else.
Problem number 2: Numbers, many of the problems with ballancing teams and game modes come from the lack of players playing at any one time. To dismiss the number of new players that would either start playing Dust or resume playing again would be foolish. I think that working on M/Kb would be well worth Ccp's time and would benefit the communitee as a whole.
Just my 2 cents |
Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
36
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:00:00 -
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I would love to see in the weekly notes or anouncements that they are looking into this. |
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gio ramos
Pradox XVI
1
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:08:00 -
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FOR ALL THE KB/B USER OUT THERE, LET ME MAKE IS VERY SIMPLE IT IS A CONSOLE GAME. WANT TO USE KB/M THEN GO PLAY SOME OTHER GAME AND STOP WASTING PEOPLE TIME AND FORUM SPACE WITH YOUR CRYING . |
Spaceman-Rob
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
283
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:17:00 -
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I just made the mistake of purchasing a m&k today thinking i was going to become an elite proto bear once i started using it, I quickly went back to using the ds3, keyboard is going to come in handy for typing on the forums though. |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss
135
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:22:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage.
How well do you hit Kalante? Soul? Regnyum .... Stutter stepping on a DS3 > Keyboard straffing... by FAR.. specially when one party is actually aiming for themselfs and one is barely even using their Aim input joystick.. and hitting more accurately with better Hit detection.
Straffing on a keyboard with Auto Aim is like... straffing in any other FPS for beginners... because you don't get to do sudden movements to shake peoples aiming ability, you make giant circles as your trying to break Aim assist's lock on you. Where someone stutter stepping and having perfect tracking and Hit detection are near impossible to hit with M/KB and a lot of it feels like praying for a bullet to land. |
Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
37
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Posted - 2013.12.25 17:34:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. How well do you hit Kalante? Soul? Regnyum .... Stutter stepping on a DS3 > Keyboard straffing... by FAR.. specially when one party is actually aiming for themselfs and one is barely even using their Aim input joystick.. and hitting more accurately with better Hit detection. Straffing on a keyboard with Auto Aim is like... straffing in any other FPS for beginners... because you don't get to do sudden movements to shake peoples aiming ability, you make giant circles as your trying to break Aim assist's lock on you. Where someone stutter stepping and having perfect tracking and Hit detection are near impossible to hit with M/KB and a lot of it feels like praying for a bullet to land.
This +1
The best players at Dust are DS3 Pros, not m/kb regulars. I would suggest either fixing m/kb contolls or stop patronizing the pc croud. I would prefer they just fix it. |
Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
351
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Posted - 2013.12.25 18:04:00 -
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Psst use a ds3 controller it works I'm telling you
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4247
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Posted - 2013.12.25 19:05:00 -
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Apparently a major part of this issue is that it's almost impossible to get good mouse control in a game without it running at at least 60 fps.
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A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
37
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:00:00 -
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In Chromo mouse worked fine |
M McManus
340
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:11:00 -
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Blondie Roads wrote:DootDoot wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. How well do you hit Kalante? Soul? Regnyum .... Stutter stepping on a DS3 > Keyboard straffing... by FAR.. specially when one party is actually aiming for themselfs and one is barely even using their Aim input joystick.. and hitting more accurately with better Hit detection. Straffing on a keyboard with Auto Aim is like... straffing in any other FPS for beginners... because you don't get to do sudden movements to shake peoples aiming ability, you make giant circles as your trying to break Aim assist's lock on you. Where someone stutter stepping and having perfect tracking and Hit detection are near impossible to hit with M/KB and a lot of it feels like praying for a bullet to land. This +1 The best players at Dust are DS3 Pros, not m/kb regulars. I would suggest either fixing m/kb contolls or stop patronizing the pc croud. I would prefer they just fix it.
+1
Lets see if 1.8 brings us anything improved... |
Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
38
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:26:00 -
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M McManus wrote:Blondie Roads wrote:DootDoot wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. How well do you hit Kalante? Soul? Regnyum .... Stutter stepping on a DS3 > Keyboard straffing... by FAR.. specially when one party is actually aiming for themselfs and one is barely even using their Aim input joystick.. and hitting more accurately with better Hit detection. Straffing on a keyboard with Auto Aim is like... straffing in any other FPS for beginners... because you don't get to do sudden movements to shake peoples aiming ability, you make giant circles as your trying to break Aim assist's lock on you. Where someone stutter stepping and having perfect tracking and Hit detection are near impossible to hit with M/KB and a lot of it feels like praying for a bullet to land. This +1 The best players at Dust are DS3 Pros, not m/kb regulars. I would suggest either fixing m/kb contolls or stop patronizing the pc croud. I would prefer they just fix it. +1 Lets see if 1.8 brings us anything improved...
Doubt it... Ccp has said nothing... But thats par for the course |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
147
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:33:00 -
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Get rid of kbm |
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