DUST Search - Why are kb/m Users being ignored ?

Paran Tadec wrote:

Dunk Mujunk wrote:

Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:

How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?

Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM?

Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users.

You are a moron. CCP added KBM support because they refused to put it on PC (where real shooters belong) to weed out all the 12 yr old mouth breathers. Unfortunately CCP went with PS3, but atleast they had voice chat off by default so I didnt have to listen to you kiddies eat your mics.

KBM needs to be raw input. The only argument against it that you can manage to scrape up is that "dis iz consul" crap. We had great aiming before with KBM and DS3 in Chromosome, which was before many of you scrubs joined up here.


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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 922	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:02:00 - [1] - Quote Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month. Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get. If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 922	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month. Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get. If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 923	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: [quote=TechMechMeds]Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month. Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get. If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. Edit: people like myself who are way better with k/b and mouse by far that have switched to it and laughed at how easily they own ds3 users, I'm looking forward to it. Expect serious trolling if I don't encounter any problems and its just like and PC fps. Nah... the mouse is ****, everyone knows that, if you find the mouse easier is because you find the Emulation more familiar, because you normally use the DS3. But even then.... i'm a mouse user Vet, with the DS3 i can easily get 17 to 20 kills per match, with the mouse i hardly get pass 5 kills per match.... explain that one to me. Because i find that very confusing. [: I'm also far better with k/b and mouse and I can only go by what I'm observing but what you stated about people being good with an emulator, this makes sense to me and I'm debating if its worth switching now. Thank you.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 923	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Lol fk knows what's has happened with that quote, hope you get the reply lol
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 923	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:27:00 - [5] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: I'm sorry, the fact that KB/M support is available for Dust is flat out ********. Why does the PS3 support KB/M? Did anyone ever think maybe that was because the PS3 has a web browser? Probably not. If the intent was for gameplay, why are RTS games almost non existent on the PS3? Trust me, i'd love to play StarCraft or something on my PS3, I was a PC gamer long before I was a console gamer. Petition all you want, KB/M users are and always will be the minority, and that's the way it should be. This is a stupid conversation, and the fact CCP included KB/M support to cater to Eve players (they didn't? Name any other PS3 shooter that supports KB/M ((really hope I don't eat my words on that lol)) is even stupider. Counter Strike GO supports mouse... there... eat you words. Also, mouse user are minority NOW, they weren't in Chromosome, it was 50/50 then. With all due respect, that's when the mouse worked almost perfectly and people could turn as quick as what were used to on PC, that's the advantage I'm on about.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 926	Posted - 2013.10.25 21:32:00 - [6] - Quote Maybe they put the emulator there to ween pure k/b and mouse users onto a controller because seriously you can't honestly say that if we had raw input we wouldn't ROFL stomp, the advantage would have me laughing my arse off watching ds3 users trying to turn lol and I don't think CCP could do something that stupid without a motive.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 931	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:02:00 - [7] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Lol fk knows what's has happened with that quote, hope you get the reply lol Just about.... The point is... If i am a Mouse user vet.. and i mean 10+ years Vet, and i can get 17 to 20 kills easily with the DS3, but straggle to get more than 7 kills with the mouse... is something obviously wrong with this picture, don't you think ? It makes you wonder... a lot..... Nah I agree emulators of anything are always sht but raw input would seriously be god mode, ds3 users aim assist wouldn't even come close, I'd never have to worry about sneaky buggers again because within a split second I'd have turned and be shooting them in the face. Raw input would be pure beast mode for experienced players and you know it lol I'm not saying it shouldn't be put in the game, I'd just switch over night, the problem is that it would inevitably get nerfed, that's probably why CCP don't even acknowledge the demand for raw input because its pretty obvious lol.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 931	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:04:00 - [8] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. So for the interest of the health of the community, this which shall be put to death by fire! Arent you a fast one to sacrifice? I love how every single argument in the "debate" was self-proclaimed representation of the majority. Sadly though, like it or not, he's right.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 932	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:16:00 - [9] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month. Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get. If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction. You're kidding, right? Proper grammar is always important. Not on a game forum you sad git lol.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 933	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:19:00 - [10] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Well, if a sacrifice will gain the favor of god/gods, yeah, kill it quick. And yeah, DS3 is the majority. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You may want to remove the quotations from around debate on your post. I've been fairly level headed in my posts on this thread, as have many KB/M users. I'd like to continue the debate, but it seems you are the one who wants to have a "debate". As far as i'm concerned you want nothing but raw input. If that's not the case please enlighten me in a civilized manner. Raw input? God forbid, that would imply no deadzone and shaking all over the place. A non-sh!tty control scheme is what I want. And you seem to mistake this thread for "Should KB/M Users be phased out?". If you want a civil discussion about phasing out players, have it in there. This thread is in general discussions. If it was in feedback requests you could use the 'I'm asking CCP not you so stfu' line, but not here.

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 933	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:31:00 - [11] - Quote Seriously parenn, you have to be a troll neckbeard to think grammar matters on a fking game forum, Get real squirt I'm on a tablet,, that's about a years pocket money to you.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 933	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:34:00 - [12] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users? Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM? Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. You are a moron. CCP added KBM support because they refused to put it on PC (where real shooters belong) to weed out all the 12 yr old mouth breathers. Unfortunately CCP went with PS3, but atleast they had voice chat off by default so I didnt have to listen to you kiddies eat your mics. KBM needs to be raw input. The only argument against it that you can manage to scrape up is that "dis iz consul" crap. We had great aiming before with KBM and DS3 in Chromosome, which was before many of you scrubs joined up here. This post is so blatantly trying to justify a big advantage, I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 933	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:36:00 - [13] - Quote I am done on this thread, I can't even bare to see what kind of petty trash parenn swings my way.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1895	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:00:00 - [14] - Quote Beeeees wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by. I am calling you out on being a 2cool4school 14 years old max and not legally being able to play this game. Just sayan. Just got a like for that post and read this utter crap, priceless. Just be quiet you gimp lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1895	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:01:00 - [15] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Seriously parenn, you have to be a troll neckbeard to think grammar matters on a fking game forum, Get real squirt I'm on a tablet,, that's about a years pocket money to you. I can buy a tablet with the change in my car. Yeah its pennies but not to alot. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1895	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:07:00 - [16] - Quote Its really this simple, almost as simple as the guys who think raw input would be fine. To anyone who is half decent with a kB and mouse, raw input is such an advantage over ds3 users and even aim assist wouldn't mean anything compared to split second reactions. Ccp is ignoring it because they know this. If you think it would be balanced you must be either crap with a kB and mouse OR have an ulterior motive. Raw input wouldn't be fair against ds3, ds3 has an advantage over mouse with aim assist (apparently). So if either is bad and kb and mouse can't be fixed after a year then what's the logical option? Now think about it, no one seems to get it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1898	Posted - 2014.01.04 19:18:00 - [17] - Quote I never said it will turn someone into a great player did I? If theres raw input then players like myself who excel with a kB and mouse will dominate totally, the ds3 is pure sht and I hate it, its clumsy and crap, I'm sht with a ds3 yet better than average players but brilliant with a kB and mouse. I'd love raw input, that's basically god mode for any decent kB and mouse user but it just wouldn't be fair on ds3 users and seen as ccp ignores whining for raw input its pretty obvious they know this. And because of this, the fact raw input would be op for proficient kB and mouse users, the fact in its current state people are not happy and that that will never change to me says to just remove it or kB and mouse users just deal with it. Your not getting raw input BUT let's say we actually did then I'd happily ROFL stomp anyone using a ds3 until its nerfed. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1899	Posted - 2014.01.04 19:30:00 - [18] - Quote I don't want that imbalance but hey, if we get raw input I'll be loving it, pretty much within a split second of hearing a shotgun behind me I'll be shooting their face and charge sniping would be a charm. Being able to react and turn in the blink of an eye would totally be balanced against ds3 users who can't do that because they have lol aa, not. Aa is nothing compared to raw input unless it was auto aim rather than aim assist. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1927	Posted - 2014.01.05 08:29:00 - [19] - Quote I think its ridiculous that you guys want raw input, are you just trying to quietly pretend it wouldn't be ridiculous? I'll laugh if we get it and be switching to ye olde kb and mouse for some seriously easy mode pwnage, if you disagree that it wouldn't be and that aa is any kind of threat then I'm sorry but you are most definitely a complete scrub with kb and mouse and should switch to ds3 because clearly raw input won't help you either. Anyway I'm done with this thread, its laughable at best how alot of you simply don't get it, there was one guy further back who was as honest as me, good luck trying to cry and bull sht ccp to implement ROFL stomp mode for people like me, I hope they do at some point just so I can prove it. Might want to read that again to get it in some of your thick skulls exactly what you are actually requesting beyond your inadequacy with kb and mouse, fair play if you have that ulterior motive and are just playing dumb. Happy hunting. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.