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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:13:00 -
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I'm sorry, the fact that KB/M support is available for Dust is flat out ********. Why does the PS3 support KB/M? Did anyone ever think maybe that was because the PS3 has a web browser? Probably not. If the intent was for gameplay, why are RTS games almost non existent on the PS3? Trust me, i'd love to play StarCraft or something on my PS3, I was a PC gamer long before I was a console gamer. Petition all you want, KB/M users are and always will be the minority, and that's the way it should be. This is a stupid conversation, and the fact CCP included KB/M support to cater to Eve players (they didn't? Name any other PS3 shooter that supports KB/M ((really hope I don't eat my words on that lol)) is even stupider. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:27:00 -
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lol, ok, lemme get some hot sauce. But yeah, that's one game. They may not have been the minority back then, but they are now. As they should be, cause this is PS3. I'm not trying to be an ass, but if I want to use a KB/M then I will hop on my PC and play something there. It's not that CCP is having trouble making the mouse as good as the DS3, it's that they are trying to keep the mouse from being better than the DS3. And a raw input mouse is far better for FPS than the DS3. With so many other problems to address, KB/M users should be waaaaaay at the bottom of the list. Or just say **** it and take Dust off PS3 and put it on PC like some people want. The stupid PS3 light gun (or whatever it is called) should be getting more attention than the KB/M. Just my opinions though. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:46:00 -
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Also, i'm sure there where just as many KB/M users in the beginning because most of the player base was from Eve and barely anyone else on the planet knew Dust existed. CCP has done a **** poor job of advertising this game, and I've only seen mention of it 2 times in GameInformer, once as 1 of many games in a list of coming online games (that was like at least a year ago), and 1 more time in an article bashing the game (which was also a long time ago now). The way I hear Eve players talk about Dust, they jumped in to try and get a leg up in Eve, didn't like Dust, and left. So I don't imagine there were many non Eve players in the beginning. If KB/M use had continued to grow and over taken the DS3, yea, go full on for the KB/M. But seeing as how the numbers have declined as Eve players left and non Eve players got into Dust, I really don't see any reason to either improve KB/M, or really even keep it. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:43:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?
Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM?
Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:03:00 -
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Well, if a sacrifice will gain the favor of god/gods, yeah, kill it quick.
And yeah, DS3 is the majority. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You may want to remove the quotations from around debate on your post. I've been fairly level headed in my posts on this thread, as have many KB/M users. I'd like to continue the debate, but it seems you are the one who wants to have a "debate". As far as i'm concerned you want nothing but raw input. If that's not the case please enlighten me in a civilized manner. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:42:00 -
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Lol. You know, when someone tries to use age as a reference in these forums it usually to mask their own age.
Alright, so lets all get on the same page here. Beeeees, not trying to phase out KB/M users. Just don't want them having normal PC input (you know, cause we aren't on a PC). You say KB/M users don't want raw input?
Well apparently your buddy Paran Tadec disagrees with you.
Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.
As for you Paran Tadec, I highly doubt CCP included KB/M support because they didn't put the game on PC. I would imagine it was due to the fact that almost nobody on the planet knew Dust was even coming, aside from Eve players, and they hoped to gain more players by including KB/M. I don't know what "kiddies" you are referring to, but maybe you need to switch corps if you don't like the age group of your current one. You can't hear the enemy, and if you are in squad or corp chat you can't hear randoms. I would also suggest actually reading the thread, since there are plenty of reasons for lack of KB/M support in the community beyond "dis iz consul". Also, i'm not sure if you are aware, but you spelled those 3 words wrong.
You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:54:00 -
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You are right, KB/M currently has no advantage, aside from the strafing advantage which, while annoying, isn't to big of a deal. And trust me, as a DS3 user I was just as unhappy as anyone about aim assist, and the fact CCP lied and said they never toned it down (which they did thank god).
While I like the idea of Multi platform games, I would imagine PCs and PS3s trying to communicate with each other over CCPs servers while running Dust would cause the worlds internet to spontaneously combust lol.
On an ironic side note, I made a post the other night about the forums seemingly turning over a new leaf, with niceness and logic seemingly taking over. Lol, looks like the joke was on me. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:59:00 -
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So, now that all the grabass-ery is out of the way. Beeeees, in what way would you like to see the current KB/M setup changed? I'm not trolling, i'm seriously curious. The others in your camp seem a bit.......special........but I would like to know what exactly you are looking for from your KB/M. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:02:00 -
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No I got it Paran, I just choose not to blatantly be a **** when hiding behind a computer screen. I would like this game to succeed and acting like a fool on such an important topic (for both sides) accomplishes nothing. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:09:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:
You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider.
Are you focken serious m8? How long do you think this debate goes on? Good for you to be calm about this only joining in the debate today. At about 6th mentally challenged individual sh!tting in MY cornflakes a day because they feel like jumping a bandwagon I start to lose my temper. Especially when I get baited for ad hominem and then called out for it by a twink.
You realize this was directed toward your buddy Paran? |
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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:13:00 -
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There still seems to be a communication break down.
I am not saying KB/M is to powerful now.
I am saying expected KB/M performance would be more powerful than DS3.
I am saying on the Playstation 3 Home Video Game Console, with a large portion of the player base using the standard PS3 control device, or Dual Shock 3, giving the KB/M performance that would be expected from a normal PC FPS is a very bad idea.
I have also asked what changes you would make to the KB/M that would, in your eyes, be fair to both PS3 and KB/M, and I am still waiting for something other than anger.
EDIT: Disregard, I see your above post. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:23:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:So, now that all the grabass-ery is out of the way. Beeeees, in what way would you like to see the current KB/M setup changed? I'm not trolling, i'm seriously curious. The others in your camp seem a bit.......special........but I would like to know what exactly you are looking for from your KB/M. Simple. Positive and negative acceleration has to go. I dont need anything more, I want a 5 degree movement from my elbow to translate to roughly the same result every time I move my mouse. I realize that speed caps were a must (before aimbot), but to make me turn slower the faster I move my mouse to the point I do not turn at all is grade A bullshit.
Understandable, that would **** me off as well.
On the flip side, i'm sure you are aware of what DS3 users are scared of. Currently, long range shooting can be a bit tricky with the DS3 (sniping is the best example). At long ranges the DS3s movement is not very fine at all, and lining up a head shot with said sniper rifle requires a trial and error of moving cross hairs far away from the targets head, then moving back towards the head, hoping that when you stop you land right on it, because moving the crosshair just an eight of a centimeter is nearly impossible with the DS3. Strafing is also better on the KB/M, and if it were to pass that the mouse and DS3 aimed exactly the same, the KB/M would get a big advantage due to the ability to strafe left and right far more efficiently, while still maintaining aim on target.
Many posts in this thread have been convoluted, and DS3 users are justifiably frightened at what the KB/M could possibly become. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:26:00 -
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Lol Paran and Beeeees.
I personally would like AA to be removed, but at the end of the day, when I picture KB/M, I picture all the FPS games I've played on PC, and that is what scares me, and lessens my support of KB/M. If a happy medium could ever be found, I would have no problems.
We are depending on this balance to come from CCP though, and that should be the scariest part for both sides. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:41:00 -
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I actually am basing my thoughts off of Unreal. Felt like the cross hairs were connected to my eyeballs in that game, which is why I take the stance that I do.
I have a KB/M (wired unfortunately), and when I get on later tonight i'll run 3 or 4 matches and check it out. |
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