DUST Search - Why are kb/m Users being ignored ?

Shotty GoBang wrote:

KA24DERT wrote:

Shotty GoBang wrote:

My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers.
Will try to get good.
In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage.

You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard.

There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions.

Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth.

You are correct about strafe speed (same).
But directional change is substantially different between DS3 and KB/M.
Don't be mad at me for pointing this out. Its a fact, dudebro.
What may be a miniscule difference at range is magnified up close.

Rerun your test up close, preferably in the Research Facility.
Make sure everyone's firing their guns (this summons the pellet phantom).
See how often that Shotgunner misses. While in his optimal (and only) range.
Spoiler: I don't have to run this test to know the outcome ... already have 100 times.

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Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:45:00 - [121] - Quote Minako Nakajima wrote: I wish Tekken Tag 2 has KB/M input. lol inb4 "It's a fighting game" I cant for the love of god imagine putting off combos on a keyboard. Altho I played some rounds Melty Blood against a collegue on the same keyboard, broke out a key in the process. ***** fun.
McFurious MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 384	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:51:00 - [122] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. ** off with this *. Dust isn't on PC.* And it probably never will be. I don't care if theres aim assist on DS3. Just make the mouse work properly or at least as good as it was in Chromosome. Also, fully customizable keyboard AND DS3.
Minako Nakajima The Surrogates Of War 22	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:53:00 - [123] - Quote Just curious... How's the PS Move support?
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:55:00 - [124] - Quote Minako Nakajima wrote: Just curious... How's the PS Move support? If you want to laugh your ass off, pretty good. But seriously, the fine aiming is rad, the rest not so.
dazlb72 HELGHAN EXILES 106	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:59:00 - [125] - Quote Beeeees wrote: The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk. As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change. And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here. Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake. we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own.
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 42	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:04:00 - [126] - Quote What happen to our kb&m ADS and hip fire ses settings for 1.6
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:08:00 - [127] - Quote dazlb72 wrote: we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own. And now you-¦re eating from it. Welcome to the world of non-**** cake.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1966	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:08:00 - [128] - Quote dazlb72 wrote: Beeeees wrote: The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk. As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change. And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here. Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake. we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own. What the **** you talking about ? ... i'm not playing my PS3 with my PC connected to it.. just the Mouse...And a mouse is just a different type of controller... I OWN a PS3 like you do.. that i got with real cash ... is not PC enlistees here, i have over 25 other games in the PS3 that i play regularly. This is not JUST you party....is all of us party.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:16:00 - [129] - Quote Raz Warsaw wrote: What happen to our kb&m ADS and hip fire ses settings for 1.6 Delayed.
bolsh lee MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 629	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:33:00 - [130] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Raz Warsaw wrote: What happen to our kb&m ADS and hip fire ses settings for 1.6 Delayed. Honestly, hope Wolfman threw it out along with the emulation ..... But we'll never know because CCP likes to pretend these threads don't exist..

Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 176	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:34:00 - [131] - Quote Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming.
McFurious MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 385	Posted - 2013.10.26 03:39:00 - [132] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming. And there wasn't much complaining about DS3 vs. KBM
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1579	Posted - 2013.10.26 03:52:00 - [133] - Quote So much hate in here...... Many dislike KB/M in console games simply because a KB/M player is significantly more accurate (when the controls are working as intended) this leads to console players getting LOLstomped by the KB/M players, in a console game, hence why many console games tend to keep them separate to keep this from happening. Personally I play scout so dieing is irrelevant to me I don't care much what yall use as long as you're fighting and not bending over for the other team when something goes wrong.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1760	Posted - 2013.10.26 03:54:00 - [134] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming. And shotguns (minus the obscene range).
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2013.10.26 06:49:00 - [135] - Quote McFurious wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming. And there wasn't much complaining about DS3 vs. KBM Bump for truth and blue !
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2248	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:04:00 - [136] - Quote Always hilarious watching KB/M users try to say its not inherently better The best is watching you guys say strafing if actually better with a controller, a controller that has dead zones and even that fraction of a second is a massive difference between instant top speed in either direction Now I play shooters on my PC and on my console and there really is a world of difference between the two control schemes but hey if KB/M support is really as gimped as you guys claim feel free to pick up a controller, you got one when you bought the console after all and if you are as good as you think youll adjust quickly Man, some guys just wont man and up say "Hey, I need every advantage I can get to protect my ego and pretend Im as cool as my mommy told me"
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 203	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:08:00 - [137] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Whatever was happening in Chromosome was pretty much perfect for mouse aiming. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it was definitely better than what we have now. The charm of having no turn speed limit has worn off, and I now long for the days where I could actually hit people.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 294	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:48:00 - [138] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Well, if a sacrifice will gain the favor of god/gods, yeah, kill it quick. And yeah, DS3 is the majority. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You may want to remove the quotations from around debate on your post. I've been fairly level headed in my posts on this thread, as have many KB/M users. I'd like to continue the debate, but it seems you are the one who wants to have a "debate". As far as i'm concerned you want nothing but raw input. If that's not the case please enlighten me in a civilized manner. Raw input? God forbid, that would imply no deadzone and shaking all over the place. A non-sh!tty control scheme is what I want. And you seem to mistake this thread for "Should KB/M Users be phased out?". If you want a civil discussion about phasing out players, have it in there. WOW, you are sure getting but hurt over this discussion. What seems to be the problem there sunshine? Should KB/M be phased out - HELL YES! If it would mitigate the tirades of people such as yourself, that has potential. I love this notion that you bring to this that your identity performance as being GÇ£fairly level headed.GÇ¥ From previous examples of your input I would beg to differ. But thatGÇÖs just MY opinion, not necessarily that of the ENTIRE community. The civility of your interjections I find mildly alarming, if what you consider as being civil as being this sort of interaction, or the complete misinformation that you attempted to spread through liable and false conjecture about me in an earlier post. Keep in mind that though you may claim that you are performing your GÇ£identityGÇ¥ in a particular manner to present a particular image for public consumption, the fortunate and unfortunate portion of that is that the image you present is ultimately evaluated by your audience. So please, I would LOVE to here this civil discourse that you are speaking of.
Toyboi The Rainbow Effect 145	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:58:00 - [139] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Bumping for some KBM love. We were supposed to get an overhauled control system. I understand Wolfman has been busy with multiple projects he didn't anticipate but a simple update would be appreciated. yeah it would be way to much to ask that such a fringe thing as aiming is getting done right! ccp is known for their strong sense of priority!! i really hope i meet you ingame once wolfman i always wanted a coat made of wolfskin! now go back to your storefont updates!
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 306	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:36:00 - [140] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: That-¦ll sure show him! Keep out your ad hominem, bud.

GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:40:00 - [141] - Quote LOL KB/M users QQing! Get off your crutch you e-p33n stroking trihards. Or go back to your PC pew pew games and use your crutch, oh wait maybe you are not so l33t on the PC with your crutch so you have to use KB/M on a console in order to feel l33t. LOL KB/M e-p33n stroking uber l33t trihards neck beards QQing about crutch, pathetic.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1978	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:45:00 - [142] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: LOL KB/M users QQing! Get off your crutch you e-p33n stroking trihards. Or go back to your PC pew pew games and use your crutch, oh wait maybe you are not so l33t on the PC with your crutch so you have to use KB/M on a console in order to feel l33t. LOL KB/M e-p33n stroking uber l33t trihards neck beards QQing about crutch, pathetic. Go to play GTA 5 if you don't like it ......I heard that they don't have mouse support in that game... only DS3 right ?... Bye, Bye then... Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:38:00 - [143] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: LOL KB/M users QQing! Get off your crutch you e-p33n stroking trihards. Or go back to your PC pew pew games and use your crutch, oh wait maybe you are not so l33t on the PC with your crutch so you have to use KB/M on a console in order to feel l33t. LOL KB/M e-p33n stroking uber l33t trihards neck beards QQing about crutch, pathetic. We could say the same thing about DS3 users before aim assist, but the majority of us kb/m users aren't that uncivilized.. So i'll say this.. These forums were once filled with well mannered, very clean shaved, console individuals giving very well written and timely responses when their controller could not track the target without aim assist.. Which could also be referred to as a "crutch" especially considering now that the cruttch is contributing to reducing peoples life quicker then any prior mouse configuration known to the gaming industry.....
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1057	Posted - 2013.10.26 14:55:00 - [144] - Quote Its amazing how much the "get rid of KB/M" crowd resemble a bunch of racist tea party hicks bleating "they took our jobs" Rejoice KB/M users CCP won't over look the rabid and obnoxious bleatings of these scumbags, they'll fix the mouse just to spite them.
I AM TacoBueno Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:00:00 - [145] - Quote My problem with Kb/m is that every menu has like different ***** controls, well there is at least 3 different sets. Another is the controls for the dropship, they are literally ***** stupid, to turn you have to use the mouse, but it also makes you look up and down, so turning is hard without looking up or down because you can't move the mouse perfectly sideways...it is really quite annoying. I have a bunch of other complaints but I don't feel like typing all of them out right now.
Takron Nistrom eHarmony Inc. 98	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:56:00 - [146] - Quote They should get rid of kb/m. This is a console game.
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:56:00 - [147] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Its amazing how much the "get rid of KB/M" crowd resemble a bunch of racist tea party hicks bleating "they took our jobs" Rejoice KB/M users CCP won't over look the rabid and obnoxious bleatings of these scumbags, they'll fix the mouse just to spite them. I don't know it seems like CCP has already given because it was damn near perfect during Chromosome and like others have said there was nowhere near this amount of push back from DS3 users during chromosome and for some reason CCP handicapped the KB/M... The real sad thing is the DS3 users complaining about kb/m throughout Uprising can be in no way legitimate complaints and for a DS3 user to complain about kb/m being OP in its current state or even vs raw input while DS3 users are running around with aim assist, that person has got to be the most scrub player out there...
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 206	Posted - 2013.10.26 17:23:00 - [148] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: My shotgun can't hit ADADAD super strafers. Will try to get good. In the mean time, I'd say that's a pretty strong advantage. You are lying. This is a lie. I tested strafing direction changes in all classes of suits with DS3 and Keyboard. There is NO difference in keyboard vs ds3 strafing speed, and there is NO difference time it takes to switch strafe directions. Go test it yourself before you perpetuate a myth. You are correct about strafe speed (same). But directional change is substantially different between DS3 and KB/M. Don't be mad at me for pointing this out. Its a fact, dudebro. What may be a miniscule difference at range is magnified up close. Rerun your test up close, preferably in the Research Facility. Make sure everyone's firing their guns (this summons the pellet phantom). See how often that Shotgunner misses. While in his optimal (and only) range. Spoiler: I don't have to run this test to know the outcome ... already have 100 times. If that's correct, that means there's a bug in the game. Which wouldn't be a surprise. I tested it by myself using landmarks and there was no difference because of the inertia. However if a remote player's client sees something totally different, CCP needs to look at the network/prediction code.
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 206	Posted - 2013.10.26 17:30:00 - [149] - Quote So, from the discussion and my own meditation, here are the issues with KB/M right now. - Mouse acceleration cannot be turned off or modified - Trouble with mouse tracking, reason unknown, but may be related to: - Trouble with sniping, fine input control appears to be ignored, there is a minimum amount of input required before your sights react, causing you to sweep across your targets. - Unergonomic keybindings. X for grenades is terrible, makes you a sitting duck. We need the ability to change button functions for KB/M AND DS3 - Squad lead menus flakey, hard to set objective type. Feel free to add to the list, I'll take it and post a new thread in the Feedback forum.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 270	Posted - 2013.10.26 18:35:00 - [150] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users? Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM? Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. LOL if you think the current KB/M is 'healthy'.



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