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TROLL DRIVER
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:41:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:TROLL DRIVER wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Or its quite smart, look though the thread and look at the likes the rattle users get for saying re-tarded catch phrases like "console game go back to playing PC FPS"
Simple fact is they are pandering to the masses and blowing kisses at the minority, gunna be a rude shock when the rattle users wake up and realise their consoles are being turned into PCs and they will be facing off against uninhibited KB/M users in nearly every game that can support it. if you don't have the experience or dexterity for console gaming go play on your pc and stop whining. I don't play pc games and whine it's not like console games. d1ck. if you go play tennis in football boots don't be surprised you keep falling on your face. First to imply console gaming takes superior dexterity and experience is laughable, why did the controller users cry so damn much when aim assist was completely removed... ? I give props to the people that do not use aim assist and/or excelled before Uprising 1.4 without aim assist.. Please think back at when Aim Assist was removed, please remember how hard controller users flooded these forums with "your controls are sluggish" 'We can't aim" "Tracking is horrible" etc etc Your analogy is of the utmost stupidity, CCP launched Dust514 with KB/M support, let me repeat, "WITH KB/M SUPPORT" So for CCP to handicap one input or another is only pushing away a player base/revenue especially when both were functional before uprising.. Here's one for you.. Before Uprising everyone was running around with "Football Cleats" Even though the controller cleats were surpassing everyone on the scoreboard, CCP removed all the cleats from the kb/m, because of this they were no longer able to hold traction on the field.. Why you ask, because of people like you, a small majority complaining because you assumed you were getting demolished by kb/m when in reality it's a very small majority of people playing next to you..
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bolsh lee
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
637
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:44:00 -
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Blondie Roads wrote:When ps4 comes out dust's numbers will surely stagger a bit. Add to the fact that m/kb players have been leaving in droves.(I left at the mention of auto aim without mention of m/kb fix) If and when CCP wants to save this game from your normal console turnover they will begin to cater or atleast listen to the m/kb crowd that tends to be more loyal and have deeper pockets to feed their economic endevour.
This would be ideal but I get the feeling CCP could really care less about the kb/m crowd because of how small we are, I for one have slowed funding CCP... Pre-uprising i spent a few hundred bucks on Arum and boosters, post-uprising once the mouse went down hill, i think Ive spent $20 in the last 5months..
The thing is, does it really matter this isn't really CCP's cash cow and what money they are getting, I would imagine they are getting from the 3000 or so controller users.. Where as what ,there are maybe (im just guessing) 500 kb/m users and how many of those have invested money into the title.. ? I don't think they are making much money off of us either way hence why they could really care less and are catering towards DS3..
Hate to say it but unfortunately some of these narrow minded, console fanboy posts are correct.. This is a console game and CCP is treating it like that kb/m promise or not, they are showing us with actions how much they care about that supposed support.. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
470
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:49:00 -
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I've noticed that the DS3 + Mouse combo works best, while the non-customizable KB configuration throws me for a loop. I do think that both types of controls should be the best they can be.
One Universe...
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
824
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:00:00 -
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kb/m users usually are crying about not being able to pull a 180 in .2 seconds. i'm not going to read your post to see if that's what this one is about. |
Fenix Alexarr
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
36
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:07:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Lol Paran and Beeeees.
I personally would like AA to be removed, but at the end of the day, when I picture KB/M, I picture all the FPS games I've played on PC, and that is what scares me, and lessens my support of KB/M. If a happy medium could ever be found, I would have no problems.
We are depending on this balance to come from CCP though, and that should be the scariest part for both sides. You talking about few Unreal mouse users...that have incredible reflexes and tactical awareness, with inhuman accuracy. That doesn't means that EVERY mouse user is like that. When i get in the Zone with the mouse, it looks like i using every single hack you can think of... but i have 10 years of experience, and a lot Pro Competitive gaming when i was younger. Just because some people can do that, doesn't means that everyone can do it too.
Unreal vet reporting in: Instagib was my game and I've beaten confessed aimbotters. The argument going on about whether KB/M or DS3 is superior is extremely non-productive.
I've only just the other night gotten readjusted to KB/M since I'm much more casual these days. I'm honestly just tired of the changes to KB/M. Turning Auto-Aim on for controller input was jacking with my mouse aiming (ADS and scoped). I think the KB/M users are not asking for too much when we want sliders to control our sensitivities like other games. That's the discussion starter.
Good players don't care about which control method is superior. Good players will adapt and overcome. It has been this way since the beginning of gaming. Complaining that something is unfair is a good way to look like a bad player. Most of the KB/M users I know just want to be able to setup the controls for themselves and not have some limited, filtered crap getting in the way of us playing the game.
This all being said, I was adjusted to 1.5. As long as my settings and their meanings haven't changed in 1.6, I'll be fine. All we want is the same amount of sand in our box as the other kids. |
hydraSlav's
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:12:00 -
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Let us play on the PC. Problem solved
Dust Fitting Tool
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IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
59
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:09:00 -
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i dont want instant 180's etc but right now its the fine aiming thats the problem, its alot harder to get accurate hits when aiming at someone, it just feels wrong currently
this could be due to the aim assist that the pad has been given causing the issue - i cant be the only one who uses kb/mouse and has had the bug where your aiming reticle gets pulled in one direction constantly without touching anything
it could be mouse acceleration - will check this out shortly, mouse sensitivity is not what im asking for thats in the ps3 client and most gaming mice can have this set plenty fast enough (instant 180's aside)
CCP needs to try their best to make it fair for pad users and mouse users and i understand a pad is not as good and that the mouse will need to be gimped some but that should be in max turn speed or max dpi settings.
either way we really need to be able to change button configs same as im sure the pad users want, i never run squads as squad commands are a nightmare on kb, nades are silly, mele is silly.
have to admit i do wonder if they are ignoring kb users as most will have a PC aswell and like myself have cancelled their EvE sub to play Dust , i was putting my EvE sub money into Dust instead but that stopped with Omega boosters being silly and removing the Merc pack.
Still i like CCP and they will learn we will have good things to spend money on that dont break the game, we will get real kb/mouse support and it will end up on PS4 and hopefully PC in time.
Still want some kind of response from a Dev about this
p.s whats happened to SoxFour? would have expected a post from him by now i miss his posts even if they are trolls :D First Dev to post gets a like from me :D |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
71
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:27:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:Give me raw input and CUSTOMIZED keybindings and I'll drop my controller in the toilet. Until then it's ds3. Whattaya supposed to do?
Either of these would be great. At least have a couple options, one of which has the grenade button in a reasonable place.
-Aramis |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
215
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:19:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:i dont want instant 180's etc but right now its the fine aiming thats the problem, its alot harder to get accurate hits when aiming at someone, it just feels wrong currently
this could be due to the aim assist that the pad has been given causing the issue - i cant be the only one who uses kb/mouse and has had the bug where your aiming reticle gets pulled in one direction constantly without touching anything
it could be mouse acceleration - will check this out shortly, mouse sensitivity is not what im asking for thats in the ps3 client and most gaming mice can have this set plenty fast enough (instant 180's aside)
CCP needs to try their best to make it fair for pad users and mouse users and i understand a pad is not as good and that the mouse will need to be gimped some but that should be in max turn speed or max dpi settings.
either way we really need to be able to change button configs same as im sure the pad users want, i never run squads as squad commands are a nightmare on kb, nades are silly, mele is silly.
have to admit i do wonder if they are ignoring kb users as most will have a PC aswell and like myself have cancelled their EvE sub to play Dust , i was putting my EvE sub money into Dust instead but that stopped with Omega boosters being silly and removing the Merc pack.
Still i like CCP and they will learn we will have good things to spend money on that dont break the game, we will get real kb/mouse support and it will end up on PS4 and hopefully PC in time.
Still want some kind of response from a Dev about this
p.s whats happened to SoxFour? would have expected a post from him by now i miss his posts even if they are trolls :D First Dev to post gets a like from me :D
Ill give likes for an informational post, thanks for the feedback guys and gals something is definitely not right. I've said it before its a damn shame we haven't got Dev feedback on this...
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Himiko Kuronaga
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2145
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:23:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:I am afraid CCP has done exactly what they wanted to do with the KB/M in dust, artificially limit a users ability to shoot with it, these fine aim issues are a deliberate result of their emulator, when they first brought this in they over did it and everyone noticed the anti-aim assist, they claimed it was a bug and they toned it down but any logical person can see they are being dishonest.
The problem could be easily fixed by taking the mouse controls back to chromosome, but they won't and they don't even have the balls to come out and say it, I'd call them liars but that would require them to actually address the subject, they won't, they will lie by omission and salve their conscience by telling themselves they are balancing their game.
I didn't want to say it, but... yea. This is exactly the feeling I get. |
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IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
59
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:58:00 -
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if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings
it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue
Will 10 pages get us a response |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:25:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings
it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue
Will 10 pages get us a response
I've seriously tried everything low DPI high DPI using my $60 Razer mouse using my $10 walmart mouse aim assist off aim assis on etc etc..
I've came to the conclusion that there isn't really anything we can do to fix it its either sloppy fast joystick emulation or slow stif joystick emulation .. :*( |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:34:00 -
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Sooo we got blue tags popping up all over the place but still not here... ? Does this mean no hope on kb/m fix for 1.7 as well ?
CCP just grow a ******* pair and tell us you don't give a ****... So we can move on.. thanks.. |
Meeko Fent
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1410
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:35:00 -
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They dont give a ****.
Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon!
We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really!
King of Uncertainty.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
2598
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:41:00 -
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Ds3 user here. Get dem kbm players some love!
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Forum Warrior LV. 2
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M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:52:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Ds3 user here. Get dem kbm players some love!
Awwww <3 |
IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
62
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:09:00 -
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Well think we have gone as far as we can with this
all the other posts complaining about mouse input have been locked and with no response from a dev by now speaks volumes
i guess gungame is for DS3, i will have to play politics and sniper / tank sniper
and ofc lots of free fits to save up the isk for my tanks |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2269
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:11:00 -
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M McManus wrote:All m/kb users who are unhappy with the current controls and sensitivity should let their voice be heard.. File a support ticket, create threads, raise hell till we get a response/acknowledgement from Devs..
- The aim and control sticky in the feedback section has now been removed
- Even after multiple kb/m users expresed their concerns with the current mouse emulation vs DS3 aim assist there was never a response from a Dev..
- Friends of mine who use kb/m and myself have posted support tickets and they refer us to post on the forums. .
- The small minority of vocal mouse users who make threads have half trolls and half users struggling with the following..
Wobbling ADS Inaccurate hip fire slides left and right Acceleration to slow on some mouse types
Now before the DS3 users get on here and say htfu its a console use a controller gtfo tryhard etc When the DS3 was slow and ****** up in chromosome and pre 1.4 you guys were pissed and extremly vocal about it... Now put yourself in our shoes you're still unable to track tagets the controls have a mind of there own and you're constantly going up against other players that get aim assist and you have pre 1.4 controls. .
LRN to DS3.
Not priority IMO.
KBM = EZ Mode, QQ ignored.
u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
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KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
250
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Posted - 2013.11.07 06:38:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings
it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue
Will 10 pages get us a response
Mouse settings are being gathered here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1469303 |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 16:32:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:IceStormers wrote:if anyone is finding kb/mouse ok please let us know your settings
it could just be a buggy setting, im more than happy to try anything out, currently im not seeing any real impact of changing settings other than direct dpi which is not the issue
Will 10 pages get us a response Mouse settings are being gathered here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1469303
Its really not settings I'm concerned with, sure it can be a pain not being able to bind keys but its even more of a pain not being able to aim... This emulator **** needs fixed before or at the same time as key binding. .
On another note CCP Wolfman responded to a nova knife thread and we have a few blue tags trolling today maybe we'll get a response. .. |
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Neoproto D
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:45:00 -
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Logitech G700 with sensitivity set to max. It makes moving around easy but aiming at anything mid range and beyond is like a cross-hair slip and slide. |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1092
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:42:00 -
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They won't respond, this is exactly how they want it to be they know we will get sick of it and leave, while they get to say "oh yes we support keyboard and mouse" the people that haven't seen how well it worked in the past won't know the difference. |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
236
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:34:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:They won't respond, this is exactly how they want it to be they know we will get sick of it and leave, while they get to say "oh yes we support keyboard and mouse" the people that haven't seen how well it worked in the past won't know the difference.
I don't know a CPM commented on a post earlier talking about how mouse calibration is far from perfect...
So maybe there is hope yet..
CCP Wolfman ffs we know you're reading just let us know good or bad news... ? |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1093
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:27:00 -
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Neoproto D wrote:Logitech G700 with sensitivity set to max. It makes moving around easy but aiming at anything mid range and beyond is like a cross-hair slip and slide.
hehe slip and slide thats a very good name for the anti aim assist CCP has implemented in the name of balance, they just need to come out and say it, FU KB/M, rattle users make our division of CCP look like the game might one day make a buck and we need to make sure that their aim assist totally outclasses a handicapped KB/M so iceland doesn't pull the plug and hire ppl to put the game on PC where it should have been. |
Vex Grimetreads
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:51:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Console game.
-XOXO
Shite controller.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
320
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:17:00 -
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Still waiting for Bluetags. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
854
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:28:00 -
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I gave up on advocating about the KBM controls after 7 months, i now just hope we get at least custom keybinds and adjustable ADS sliders thats like 2 updates late.
So yeah, seems we will just have to HTFU.
I still r*pe 90% of them, even with gimped controls, i guess i can settle for that, but idd like to show on this game for once what 90+% accuracy is like.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
240
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:39:00 -
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Yeah doubtful we'll get a blue tag pretty funny/sad CCP Wolfman has posted in 2 other threads since this has been going but yet some how consistently misses this one... |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:04:00 -
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Paging CCP (anyone) for a response..... ? |
Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
153
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:54:00 -
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Over my years of gaming, I have become adequate using both control schemes. When I came over to dust, after some time I switched over to the kb/m and was able to adjust to all the crap ccp has done to its settings patch after hot fix after patch. After the auto aim fix and hit detection were fixed, and was struggling to stay alive, let alone get a kill, I picked back up the ds3. The aim assist in this game is so strong, hackers have one need to make a better one. Want easy head shots? The second you lock on (seriously it fuck1ng locks on, aim assist is not supposed to do this) simply tap your view up slightly, and all shots will curve up into the dome. |
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