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Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 290	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:40:00 - [1] - Quote My biggest problem is that while you can try and improve your average accuracy to about 70% with M/KB in its current (very flawed) state, Auto Aim always ensures about 80-90%. Before AA it was 70% vs 60% on average. The numbers, as always, taken out of my ass.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 294	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:01:00 - [2] - Quote The only FPS PC has are console ports thanks to cawadoody and its ilk. As we had to move because your sub-par console games invaded our market, now its time YOU-¦ve gotta move because we-¦re here to play a good game for a change. And as your control scheme has dominated our games, now ours has every right to be here. Stop being that f-¦cking kid that refuses to share his f-¦cking birthday cake.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 294	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote Buttercup Chipmint wrote: So you blame COD for you not being able to play DUST with a KB/M huh? Can you even into logical thinking? Buttercup Chipmint wrote: I was playing PC games since before you were a swimmer in your Dads junk so be careful who you are calling kid. Yeah funny getting that from a 20something. Buttercup Chipmint wrote: Stop QQing about not being able to play a FPS on a console with your crutch, HTFU, adapt or die, play with the DS3, or GTFO! I am pretty sure you dont know what a crutch is. Buttercup Chipmint wrote: DS3 working as intended. Yeah, may be. The KB/M is not.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 296	Posted - 2013.10.25 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Hurr CONSOLE Seriously, what do you care how and where I press my buttons? What next, you come to my house and check if I am using an -¦merrican adapter, cos european standart is not the way console is supposed to be powered? Are you people insane?
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 297	Posted - 2013.10.25 22:56:00 - [5] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. So for the interest of the health of the community, this which shall be put to death by fire! Arent you a fast one to sacrifice? I love how every single argument in the "debate" was self-proclaimed representation of the majority.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 298	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:11:00 - [6] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Well, if a sacrifice will gain the favor of god/gods, yeah, kill it quick. And yeah, DS3 is the majority. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You may want to remove the quotations from around debate on your post. I've been fairly level headed in my posts on this thread, as have many KB/M users. I'd like to continue the debate, but it seems you are the one who wants to have a "debate". As far as i'm concerned you want nothing but raw input. If that's not the case please enlighten me in a civilized manner. Raw input? God forbid, that would imply no deadzone and shaking all over the place. A non-sh!tty control scheme is what I want. And you seem to mistake this thread for "Should KB/M Users be phased out?". If you want a civil discussion about phasing out players, have it in there.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 298	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:40:00 - [7] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by. I am calling you out on being a 2cool4school 14 years old max and not legally being able to play this game. Just sayan.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 299	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:52:00 - [8] - Quote They included KB/M because the game originally was supposed to go full multiplat, and they kept KB/M because nieche appeal is what they make their money from.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 299	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:05:00 - [9] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider. Are you focken serious m8? How long do you think this debate goes on? Good for you to be calm about this only joining in the debate today. At about 6th mentally challenged individual sh!tting in MY cornflakes a day because they feel like jumping a bandwagon I start to lose my temper. Especially when I get baited for ad hominem and then called out for it by a twink. Dunk Mujunk wrote: Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP. In Chromo and now still top players are supposedly DS3 users, your point doesnt stand an inch. The DS3 got aimbot level auto aim right now, so there IS a way of not putting DS3 at a disadvantage, it already exists.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 300	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:13:00 - [10] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: So, now that all the grabass-ery is out of the way. Beeeees, in what way would you like to see the current KB/M setup changed? I'm not trolling, i'm seriously curious. The others in your camp seem a bit.......special........but I would like to know what exactly you are looking for from your KB/M. Simple. Positive and negative acceleration has to go. I dont need anything more, I want a 5 degree movement from my elbow to translate to roughly the same result every time I move my mouse. I realize that speed caps were a must (before aimbot), but to make me turn slower the faster I move my mouse to the point I do not turn at all is grade A bullshit.

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 300	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:18:00 - [11] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Current KBM is fine, but only if you remove aim assist for DS3. On the contrary, current DS3 AA is fine, if you improve KB/M controls.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 300	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:36:00 - [12] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Currently, long range shooting can be a bit tricky with the DS3 (sniping is the best example). At long ranges the DS3s movement is not very fine at all, and lining up a head shot with said sniper rifle requires a trial and error of moving cross hairs far away from the targets head, then moving back towards the head, hoping that when you stop you land right on it, because moving the crosshair just an eight of a centimeter is nearly impossible with the DS3. Except fine movement is completely **** with the mouse right now and tracking is near impossible because your mouse constantly accelerates. Tracking with the DS3 is actually easier right now. Than with a mouse, contemplate a second on that. Also let me tell you something about sniping. There are 2 ways of taking aim - tracking and leading. Before Uprising, mouse was better at tracking, DS3 at leading. After Uprising DS3 became good at both and mouse ate a **. Strafing is also better on the KB/M, and if it were to pass that the mouse and DS3 aimed exactly the same, the KB/M would get a big advantage due to the ability to strafe left and right far more efficiently, while still maintaining aim on target. Many posts in this thread have been convoluted, and DS3 users are justifiably frightened at what the KB/M could possibly become.[/quote] The mouse could not ever become more than what it was in Chromo. It was unconventional and took practice but it was perfect. It literally could not become better than that, and that stage already passed. There is one thing that separates DS3 and KB/M the most, and its AA. There will never be AA on KB/M. Those fears are not justified, and are a product of misinformation and ignorance.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 301	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:42:00 - [13] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Lol Paran and Beeeees. I personally would like AA to be removed, but at the end of the day, when I picture KB/M, I picture all the FPS games I've played on PC, and that is what scares me, and lessens my support of KB/M. If a happy medium could ever be found, I would have no problems. We are depending on this balance to come from CCP though, and that should be the scariest part for both sides. You talking about few Unreal mouse users...that have incredible reflexes and tactical awareness, with inhuman accuracy. That doesn't means that EVERY mouse user is like that. When i get in the Zone with the mouse, it looks like i using every single hack you can think of... but i have 10 years of experience, and a lot Pro Competitive gaming when i was younger. Just because some people can do that, doesn't means that everyone can do it too. This. Players that drop it hard are already good at shooters. People who dont arent. Why shouldnt my skill translate into this game, what does make it so special? It isnt for controller users, they are familiar with playing shooters with controller.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:45:00 - [14] - Quote Minako Nakajima wrote: I wish Tekken Tag 2 has KB/M input. lol inb4 "It's a fighting game" I cant for the love of god imagine putting off combos on a keyboard. Altho I played some rounds Melty Blood against a collegue on the same keyboard, broke out a key in the process. ***** fun.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:55:00 - [15] - Quote Minako Nakajima wrote: Just curious... How's the PS Move support? If you want to laugh your ass off, pretty good. But seriously, the fine aiming is rad, the rest not so.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:08:00 - [16] - Quote dazlb72 wrote: we were happy to share our birthday cake with you, but you came to our party, said our cake was sh!t and cried until you were allowed to bring your own. And now you-¦re eating from it. Welcome to the world of non-**** cake.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 303	Posted - 2013.10.26 01:16:00 - [17] - Quote Raz Warsaw wrote: What happen to our kb&m ADS and hip fire ses settings for 1.6 Delayed.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 306	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:36:00 - [18] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: That-¦ll sure show him! Keep out your ad hominem, bud.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 320	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:17:00 - [19] - Quote Still waiting for Bluetags.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 359	Posted - 2014.01.06 08:12:00 - [20] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: .well, maybe you just aren't that good and the KBM has been a crutch for you your entire gaming life. I came here to laugh at you.

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 503	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:18:00 - [21] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Wall of text Your argument is, and always will be invalid because DS3 has AutoAim. TOLD514
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 503	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:33:00 - [22] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: if some of the guys who use a kbm set up are as superior as they say and auto aiming swings things so much in the controllers favor then they should have no problem adapting and wrecking After all it is easier right? What is muscle memory? What is preferred control scheme? What is promised and advertized product feature? TOLD514
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 506	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:14:00 - [23] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: 1. Aim assist can be turned off. So what, everyone suddenly develops a sense of sportsmanship and turns it off? TOLD514

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