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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
217
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:43:00 -
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Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!.
War never changes
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M McManus
343
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:46:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!.
So why did controllers surpass kb/m in chromosome ? |
M McManus
343
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I think its ridiculous that you guys want raw input, are you just trying to quietly pretend it wouldn't be ridiculous?
I'll laugh if we get it and be switching to ye olde kb and mouse for some seriously easy mode pwnage, if you disagree that it wouldn't be and that aa is any kind of threat then I'm sorry but you are most definitely a complete scrub with kb and mouse and should switch to ds3 because clearly raw input won't help you either.
Anyway I'm done with this thread, its laughable at best how alot of you simply don't get it, there was one guy further back who was as honest as me, good luck trying to cry and bull sht ccp to implement ROFL stomp mode for people like me, I hope they do at some point just so I can prove it.
Might want to read that again to get it in some of your thick skulls exactly what you are actually requesting beyond your inadequacy with kb and mouse, fair play if you have that ulterior motive and are just playing dumb.
Happy hunting.
I can't wait till CCP does either so I can see your self proclaimed "pro kb/m" self get worked by a Controller... |
Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
217
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:08:00 -
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M McManus wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!. So why did controllers surpass kb/m in chromosome ?
And after that KBM took over. Get over the "chromosome" and move forward.
Why can't you ppl just pick up the dam controller that the game came with in the fist place?
No so you go and buy some extra gear to get a advantage over others then you cry like a child that they are as good as you with that out of the box controller. ( Or I state competitive ) Al that money spent and no god mode, that can't be right can it?
No STFU and pick up the controller.
War never changes
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McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
416
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:20:00 -
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If they're not planning on fixing the KBM, they might as well just remove it and they might as well say so. Let's hear it from the devs and get it over with.
I have no interest in reading forum pissing contests over DS3 vs. KBM.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
392
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:49:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:we couldn't make raw input feel to well on 30 frames a second. And DUST doesnt have alot of chance to even get to 30 frames a second constant in 2014. It's not realistic, DS4 is nice? Unless Rouge has some magical EP powers(He gets some benefit of the doubt, what little faith i have in DUST falls with him)
I've played a lot of games on underpowered PCs, sub 20 FPS sometimes. It's not optimal, but the mouse experience was much better than Dust. Framerate is a component of smooth input, but I don't think it's critical.
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
393
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:01:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:M McManus wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!. So why did controllers surpass kb/m in chromosome ? And after that KBM took over. Get over the "chromosome" and move forward. Why can't you ppl just pick up the dam controller that the game came with in the fist place? No so you go and buy some extra gear to get a advantage over others then you cry like a child that they are as good as you with that out of the box controller. ( Or I state competitive ) Al that money spent and no god mode, that can't be right can it? No STFU and pick up the controller.
No, the PS3 didn't come with a keyboard and mouse. Yes, the PS3 does support keyboard and mouse natively. No, the KBM does not let you strafe or jump any better than the DS3. Yes, the Mouse does offer some aim precision improvement over the DS3. No, it isn't enough to turn a scrub into a god. Yes, the top players in this game are still DS3 users. No, not all of the top players are using the controller that came with the game, some of them use modded controllers. No, KB/M did not surpass DS3 at any point in this game's history. No, you still can't select radial menus accurately, aim accurately, or even prime a grenade while moving with the KB/M as it is.
No, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You are not living in reality. If you think the KB/M is so superior, why don't you get one? |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
717
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:13:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Bethhy wrote:we couldn't make raw input feel to well on 30 frames a second. And DUST doesnt have alot of chance to even get to 30 frames a second constant in 2014. It's not realistic, DS4 is nice? Unless Rouge has some magical EP powers(He gets some benefit of the doubt, what little faith i have in DUST falls with him) I've played a lot of games on underpowered PCs, sub 20 FPS sometimes. It's not optimal, but the mouse experience was much better than Dust. Framerate is a component of smooth input, but I don't think it's critical.
Regardless at the 15 FPS most Planetary Conquests run at best... MKB isn't even worth using.. even after using it for 15 years.
Try and run a shooter at that on a PC and see how fluid or consistent the interface is. |
pseudosnipre
451
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:46:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:M McManus wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!. So why did controllers surpass kb/m in chromosome ? And after that KBM took over. Get over the "chromosome" and move forward. Why can't you ppl just pick up the dam controller that the game came with in the fist place? No so you go and buy some extra gear to get a advantage over others then you cry like a child that they are as good as you with that out of the box controller. ( Or I state competitive ) Al that money spent and no god mode, that can't be right can it? No STFU and pick up the controller. Like a fragshark or one of the many programmable controllers?
You suppose that if one can "afford" to buy a kbm that they can't also obtain a turbo controller?
With all the variability in connection speeds, suit capabilities, tanking options, etc that it will finally be removal of kbm that brings parity to this game...
Brilliant, now go run for CPM.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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pseudosnipre
452
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:49:00 -
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Cam we please optimize all control schemes first and THEN attempt balancing?
I'd like to see TechMechMeds roflstomp to make his point NOW...you know, when nothing in the actually game matters.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
542
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Posted - 2014.01.05 20:19:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I think its ridiculous that you guys want raw input, are you just trying to quietly pretend it wouldn't be ridiculous?
I'll laugh if we get it and be switching to ye olde kb and mouse for some seriously easy mode pwnage, if you disagree that it wouldn't be and that aa is any kind of threat then I'm sorry but you are most definitely a complete scrub with kb and mouse and should switch to ds3 because clearly raw input won't help you either.
Anyway I'm done with this thread, its laughable at best how alot of you simply don't get it, there was one guy further back who was as honest as me, good luck trying to cry and bull sht ccp to implement ROFL stomp mode for people like me, I hope they do at some point just so I can prove it.
Might want to read that again to get it in some of your thick skulls exactly what you are actually requesting beyond your inadequacy with kb and mouse, fair play if you have that ulterior motive and are just playing dumb.
Happy hunting. Your baseless opinion and insults have been filed in the dontgiveashit drawer. Bye.
Why does this tech meds guy keep butting in with his crap?
I am asking for problems and quality of life fixes, I am NOT asking for raw input. Seriously for even wanted actual bugs or things that really hinder you in the game to be fixed you now get flamed by these people! |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
359
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:12:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:.well, maybe you just aren't that good and the KBM has been a crutch for you your entire gaming life. I came here to laugh at you. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:56:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:M McManus wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Time for me to have a rage at this
KBM is OP
You can't strafe/jump aim like rabbit on speed with controller.
You can do sh-ít with KBM that just can't be done with controller
If they do any improvements to the KBM it will be f++cking pointless to use controller.
.!. (-.-) .!. So why did controllers surpass kb/m in chromosome ? And after that KBM took over. Get over the "chromosome" and move forward. Why can't you ppl just pick up the dam controller that the game came with in the fist place? No so you go and buy some extra gear to get a advantage over others then you cry like a child that they are as good as you with that out of the box controller. ( Or I state competitive ) Al that money spent and no god mode, that can't be right can it? No STFU and pick up the controller.
Most of us KBM people had our KBM sitting around in front of our PC's when we went out and got a PS3 to play Dust 514 on when they said they would have Native KBM support.
A year later we still have Virtual Overlays, if they had said back then that they wouldnt use native KBM, i would not have bought a PS3 and would have stayed playing APB Reloaded on PC with my clan and kept rolling other so called KBM guys that play like they hold a DS3 on PC.
But i got invested in Dust, so i am here to stay, i just want what had been promised to me.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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M McManus
347
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:40:00 -
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With all the Devs actively releasing lil tid bits on 1.8 is the kb/m going to get some love !? |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
427
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Posted - 2014.01.14 00:54:00 -
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aren't gamepads ignored on PC most of the time?
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Auris Lionesse
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
55
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:22:00 -
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Because controllers are better. analog sticks>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing DDR with my fingers to move forwards and backwards. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
857
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Posted - 2014.01.14 20:11:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:aren't gamepads ignored on PC most of the time?
No not at all in fact, look at steam big picture and multiple games which support the controller.. The 360 and ps3 controllers are virtually plug in play... |
M McManus
354
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:53:00 -
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Sooooooo ? I take the continuous lack of response as a no ? |
McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
456
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:16:00 -
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I've been told by someone "in the know" that there are currently no plans to make any changes to the current controls of the KBM. But if us mouse users can come up with a list of thoughts and issues I can give it to said person and he can pass it along.
So to start, my main issue with the mouse controls currently is that it handles grabbing a wet bar of soap. The harder I try to center my gun on the enemy the more it seems to slip just to the side of my intended target. Even if the target is standing still. I often just get lucky swaying my gun back and forth spraying whilst trying to get it centered.
I'm constantly playing with my sensitivity settings between respawns along with the DPI on my mouse. I can never seem to find the sweet-spot. Right now my sensitivty is 100, ADS is 85, mouse smoothing is on, and my DPI is 5700. So far this seems to work the best out of what I've tried but I'll keep on tweaking things even if it's in vain.
Again, not sure what the heck was wrong with Chromosome's mouse aiming that it needed to be changed.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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M McManus
356
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:22:00 -
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McFurious wrote:.
Again, not sure what the heck was wrong with Chromosome's mouse aiming that it needed to be changed.
That would be my only suggestion and an easy way to sum it up "go back to chromosome" not sure why there is no plan to change it CCP is only hurting themselves by pushing Kb/m away there was a good thread about valves outlook on kb/m but I can't find it anywhere or I'd link it.. |
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McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
456
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:27:00 -
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M McManus wrote:McFurious wrote:.
Again, not sure what the heck was wrong with Chromosome's mouse aiming that it needed to be changed. That would be my only suggestion and an easy way to sum it up "go back to chromosome" not sure why there is no plan to change it CCP is only hurting themselves by pushing Kb/m away there was a good thread about valves outlook on kb/m but I can't find it anywhere or I'd link it..
I was also told that there were some limitations due to balancing the KBM and the DS3 but I wasn't told exactly what that means. I definitely don't think it should mean that the mouse is gimped to near uselessness to accomodate DS3 players with AA though.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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M McManus
357
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:39:00 -
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McFurious wrote:M McManus wrote:McFurious wrote:.
Again, not sure what the heck was wrong with Chromosome's mouse aiming that it needed to be changed. That would be my only suggestion and an easy way to sum it up "go back to chromosome" not sure why there is no plan to change it CCP is only hurting themselves by pushing Kb/m away there was a good thread about valves outlook on kb/m but I can't find it anywhere or I'd link it.. I was also told that there were some limitations due to balancing the KBM and the DS3 but I wasn't told exactly what that means. I definitely don't think it should mean that the mouse is gimped to near uselessness to accomodate DS3 players with AA though.
Ditto if there was no AA sure tone down the kb/m a bit, but the kb/m in its current garbage state, AA out performs it by leaps and bounds, CCP should see this and its pretty disheartening that they see this **** as "ok" |
pseudosnipre
522
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:05:00 -
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Radial menu precision and respawn selection could both use work. Also, wasd to spawn select, [ and ] to zoom, and arrow keys to move the map requires using a lot of keyboard geography. Maybe add mouse to move map and scroll wheel to zoom?
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
825
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:07:00 -
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CCP actually caring about core mechanics? like Aiming in a shooter? when they could spend time adding a cool new gun? hell no.
The PS Move is equally as messed right now too... ONLY reason DS3 even seems alright is they have a giant band aid AA over it.
even the blue shields are back like 1.0, but wait... oh yea hit detection was fixed? not really... well when I use the DS3 with AA its amazing I even hit when I'm off target and feel dirty for the kills that get handed to me.
We sit here arguing about a scout having a side arm and validity of cloaking... but aiming in a shooter? this game has become a joke.. and there really isn't defending that point to any person that is passionate about FPS's.
Welcome to CCP's AAA shooter.... Might aswell call it a MMORPG with gunlike elements. Because aiming in this game is a giant farce. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
457
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:41:00 -
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Posted a new thread over in Feedback/Requests. Head over there and post your complaints.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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M McManus
357
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:58:00 -
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Don't think it will do any good but I responded we have devs bluetagging around us as we speak they don't give a damn.... |
boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
196
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:35:00 -
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quit the dancing bollocks. and then ill fight in your corner. till then i hope they make you controls worse. |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
501
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Posted - 2014.01.15 09:48:00 -
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Buttercup Chipmint wrote:True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct. This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%. I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. I agree. To me any time spent on keyboard and mouse adjustment for this is wasted time. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1425
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:07:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Buttercup Chipmint wrote:True balance will never be achieved between DS3 and KB/M so CCP has to at least get one correct. This being a console FPS on a PS3 he DS3 will always win do to the massive QQ CCP will get if they can not at least have the DS3 working 100%. I would get rid of KB/M support all together, if you want to play a FPS using a KB/M then go play a PC FPS. I agree. To me any time spent on keyboard and mouse adjustment for this is wasted time.
DS3 is already performing allot better then KBM due to the AA, how much better do you want your control to perform better then mine ?
Besides, shouldnt both DS3 and KBM be nerfed down to MOVE controller level ? i mean then we would all equally s*ck, now Move s*cks really really hard, KBM s*cks less then Move and DS3 doesnt s*ck at all right now.
The only players on the planet who don't want to compete with their own skills against other control schemes are DS3 users, that says something about yourselves. It would be reallty bad if they caught a glimpse of what some people could do with a KBM.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
861
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:51:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CCP actually caring about core mechanics? like Aiming in a shooter? when they could spend time adding a cool new gun? hell no.
The PS Move is equally as messed right now too... ONLY reason DS3 even seems alright is they have a giant band aid AA over it.
even the blue shields are back like 1.0, but wait... oh yea hit detection was fixed? not really... well when I use the DS3 with AA its amazing I even hit when I'm off target and feel dirty for the kills that get handed to me.
We sit here arguing about a scout having a side arm and validity of cloaking... but aiming in a shooter? this game has become a joke.. and there really isn't defending that point to any person that is passionate about FPS's.
Welcome to CCP's AAA shooter.... Might aswell call it a MMORPG with gunlike elements. Because aiming in this game is a giant farce.
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