My biggest problem is that while you can try and improve your average accuracy to about 70% with M/KB in its current (very flawed) state, Auto Aim always ensures about 80-90%.

Before AA it was 70% vs 60% on average.

The numbers, as always, taken out of my ass.

I used to be of the opinion that the mouse is tremendously superior to the joystick. After playing with and against the top players in this game(even before auto-aim, never mind after...) I'm no longer convinced that the DS3 is at a big disadvantage.

Conceptually yes, there is some inherent inferiority with the DS3 compared to KB/M, but I don't think that switching from DS3 to KB/M will turn a Scrub into an All-Star.

There's plenty of scrubs running around in PC shooters to vouch for that.

It's the same fallacy as thinking that buying 300 dollar sneakers and some fresh gear will turn you into Micheal Jordan.

So no, a KB/M player will not come out on top 100% of the time.

And while I might say that the mouse (if it were working properly in this game, AND if auto aim were removed for the DS3) would impart a 10-15% improvement in performance to the average player, is that such an unfair advantage? Especially being that the 15% is obtainable by going to Walmart and spending $20 bucks and putting in 2 weeks of practice? The same way many in this game spend real money on boosters to increase their skill points for similar increases in performance?

CCP needs to educate the whiners to the facts, ignore the QQers, and stop whatever initiatives they have going on this fail mission of "balance". The difference in performance does not validate the gimping of any control scheme. And if these KB/M restrictions are in place when the game launches on PC, it'll be another blow to the growth of this game.

You're honestly wondering why the backseat control mechanism is taking.... The back seat? Seriously?
100% of all console users have console controls... Less than 20% for KB/M.

Not to mention they now have to evaluate those new controller emulators --t he keyboards that have their own mouse emulation built right into them.

Honestly... screw kb&m. This is a console game. You can't have both on one system.

You're method is superior to controllers in every aspect, its scientifically been proven for the last 30 years. That's why controllers have consoles to play on and kb&m had their PCs...

If you seriously want equality, it can never happen. You can only be gimped to being worse than a controller, or made to be better. The differences between the to platforms are too great to make equal. And kb&m has more advantages over controller, so how do you make it equal?
By giving controllers insane Aim Assist? They already tried that... people didn't like it. Back in Beta, all I used was kb&m on DUST because it was still superior to controller. To be able to land EVERY shot from an SMG from 50m away can kill anyone. It was easy mode, especially since the controller is whack to use in DUST.

In my experience, the lack of precision in the controls in the number 1 reason people quit this game.

There we go again ..... the PS3 supports KB/M, right ? So.... Dust 514 is a Console game that SUPPORTS KB/M ......

You know what... in tired of repeating the same thing over and over again... is like talking to Donkeys...actually, no.. I'm sure Donkeys are far more receptive ... Monkeys ... that is it.

Wolfman did say the kb/m was getting some love, iirc. My memory, imperfect as it is, says that this had been pushed back to 1.7.

Maybe they put the emulator there to ween pure k/b and mouse users onto a controller because seriously you can't honestly say that if we had raw input we wouldn't ROFL stomp, the advantage would have me laughing my arse off watching ds3 users trying to turn lol and I don't think CCP could do something that stupid without a motive.

Wow, make a KBM thread and watch every drooling subhuman on the forums rant about how controllers are the only acceptable input device for consoles. Take a second to let what we're saying sink in.

I can't make this more clear, morons; when KBM was at its absolute best DS3 still dominated.
If you are mad at KBM users killing you you're bad. You should feel bad.

How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?

Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM?

Delayed.

So, from the discussion and my own meditation, here are the issues with KB/M right now.

- Mouse acceleration cannot be turned off or modified
- Trouble with mouse tracking, reason unknown, but may be related to:
- Trouble with sniping, fine input control appears to be ignored, there is a minimum amount of input required before your sights react, causing you to sweep across your targets.
- Unergonomic keybindings. X for grenades is terrible, makes you a sitting duck. We need the ability to change button functions for KB/M *AND* DS3
- Squad lead menus flakey, hard to set objective type.

Feel free to add to the list, I'll take it and post a new thread in the Feedback forum.

if you don't have the experience or dexterity for console gaming go play on your pc and stop whining.

I don't play pc games and whine it's not like console games.

d1ck.


if you go play tennis in football boots don't be surprised you keep falling on your face.

When ps4 comes out dust's numbers will surely stagger a bit. Add to the fact that m/kb players have been leaving in droves.(I left at the mention of auto aim without mention of m/kb fix) If and when CCP wants to save this game from your normal console turnover they will begin to cater or atleast listen to the m/kb crowd that tends to be more loyal and have deeper pockets to feed their economic endevour.

because they're asking for an advantage over ds3 users.

I voted with my wallet and play time... CCP will not see anymore of either from me until they fix mouse controlls to Chromozone or better. I suggest you all do the same.

It's NEVER coming to PC. I dunno why people can't seem to understand that aspect of this game. To do so would majorly cut into their flagship game EVE Online and then both would die.

EVE = PC
DUST = console
Valkyrie = oculus rift

Bump.

Firstly, I'm a controller guy, even when I play first person pc games I still remap the m/kb to a 360 controller.

But that's what I'm used to, what I prefer, my personal choice that compliments my playstyle.

There's so much hate for kb/m players its ridiculous, if anyone has actually watched someone play this game with a m/kb you would feel sorry for them right now.

Likewise for the ds3 auto aim QQ crew, give it a rest guys, swings and roundabouts n all that.
I know ur decendants of the master race and all that but you might wanna leave that elitist attitude at the door or risk being shunned and hated by the community , and ignored by development.

Can someone ascii art me an olive branch?

aren't gamepads ignored on PC most of the time?

CCP actually caring about core mechanics? like Aiming in a shooter? when they could spend time adding a cool new gun? hell no.


The PS Move is equally as messed right now too... ONLY reason DS3 even seems alright is they have a giant band aid AA over it.


even the blue shields are back like 1.0, but wait... oh yea hit detection was fixed? not really... well when I use the DS3 with AA its amazing I even hit when I'm off target and feel dirty for the kills that get handed to me.

We sit here arguing about a scout having a side arm and validity of cloaking... but aiming in a shooter? this game has become a joke.. and there really isn't defending that point to any person that is passionate about FPS's.


Welcome to CCP's AAA shooter.... Might aswell call it a MMORPG with gunlike elements. Because aiming in this game is a giant farce.

The thing is, Dust are the ones that took it upon themselves to offer KBM support. We didnt just come here with controllers and impose ourselves. We were invited.

All we ask for is fair treatment. We are being deliberately held back and our controls are sluggish on purpose so that people like you can go around with your Aim Assist and feel like you are worth something.

So if you want equality, how about instead you demand that Aim Assist be removed? Cause if you are going to have the PS3 do the aiming for you, the least we could get is the right to be fully incharge of our own aiming.

People like this are missing the point about a Keyboard and Mouse 3rd party Emulator in DUST 514.

No matter what Platform DUST 514 is hosted on.. It is part of the New Eden Galaxy.. And by extension EVE online. CCP knew people from EVE online would want to play DUST... and generally PC players would like to play DUST 514.

And for a PC player, or an EVE player... Going out and spending 60 bux on a Keyboard and Mouse Emulator isn't much expense at all.

The problem with this is if you take that 3rd party Emulator and Use it with a game like CoD or Battlefield or even DUST 514(Now).. You now have a mouse with Aim assist... What people in the PC world refer to as Aim Hacks. CCP knew this when developing DUST 514. They knew New Eden players would go out and buy a 60 dollar piece of hardware to take advantage of the situation and gain a natural advantage.

CCP then set out to offer native Keyboard and Mouse Support for DUST 514 and then Balanced it with the DS3, By many different limitations.. So if you went out and bought a 60 dollar piece of hardware it made no difference in your control input and gameplay then just plugging the USB's into the Playstation.

The way they have COMPLETELY unbalanced the peripherals has CREATED a natural advantage in DUST 514 for anyone that goes out and buys an 3rd party Emulator to Emulate the DS3's Aim assist and Hit detection.

Fixing controls for a game is a Core Mechanic.. It needs addressing for the benefit of DUST as a whole..

I don't feel any problems with kb/m, I don't see what you are crying about here.... the KB/m controls have a much higher sensitivity than the DS3

Are you using that Aim-Assist scrub mechanic? Because that could be what's ******* with your shots if you are using a mouse... I turned that crap off.