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Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:50:00 -
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Yes. Kill emulation and give us raw input. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:05:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console.
You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:10:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction.
You're kidding, right? Proper grammar is always important. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:20:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?
Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM? Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users.
You are a moron. CCP added KBM support because they refused to put it on PC (where real shooters belong) to weed out all the 12 yr old mouth breathers. Unfortunately CCP went with PS3, but atleast they had voice chat off by default so I didnt have to listen to you kiddies eat your mics.
KBM needs to be raw input. The only argument against it that you can manage to scrape up is that "dis iz consul" crap. We had great aiming before with KBM and DS3 in Chromosome, which was before many of you scrubs joined up here. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:20:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Lol are you trolling? Because my corp mate switched to k/b, his sensitivity is that of the generic mouse sensitivity we get on PC and he can strafe left and right without the momentum and as such I'll be switching to it at the end of the month.
Are you serious? I don't understand how's much better you want it, sure ds3 has aa but to any experienced user of k/b and mouse this is a non factor in the advantage we get.
If I'm wrong and your not just whining because your sht then this must be different for individual players because I see people saying how bad it is and others laughing at how easy it is, this must be a matter that differs between individuals, maybe its your hardware, this may sound patronising but are you sitting too far away from your ps3 lol, actually one thing iv not checked is that can you get wireless or is it wired only, never used a mouse on a console. You used the wrong "you're" You're dead to me. Don't give me that rubbish, its a game forum, not a business interaction. You're kidding, right? Proper grammar is always important. Not on a game forum you sad git lol.
God have mercy on your parents. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Seriously parenn, you have to be a troll neckbeard to think grammar matters on a fking game forum, Get real squirt I'm on a tablet,, that's about a years pocket money to you.
I can buy a tablet with the change in my car. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:How can there be any argument that KBM is vastly superior in the hands of any scrub when the leaderboards are dominated by DS3 users?
Why do DS3 users feel so threatened by KBM when they have already proved they can outperform KBM? Because mouse input isn't raw. If it was, mouse users would dominate. Mouse users are basing their ideal input off of games with no restrictions. If the KB/M is to be left in, it should stay right around where it is now. If you want unrestricted mouse input, there are many games available on PC to cater to your needs. I would imagine from this point most new players joining Dust will be using DS3's, so in the interest of the health of Dust, it is better to lose the smaller amount of KB/M users than it is to lose the larger amount of DS3 users. You are a moron. CCP added KBM support because they refused to put it on PC (where real shooters belong) to weed out all the 12 yr old mouth breathers. Unfortunately CCP went with PS3, but atleast they had voice chat off by default so I didnt have to listen to you kiddies eat your mics. KBM needs to be raw input. The only argument against it that you can manage to scrape up is that "dis iz consul" crap. We had great aiming before with KBM and DS3 in Chromosome, which was before many of you scrubs joined up here. This post is so blatantly trying to justify a big advantage, I'm calling you out as an alt because your as much of a troll petty **** as someone I had an altercation with yesterday and those kind of insignificant buggers are hard to come by.
LOL, when did you start playing Dust kid? KBM isn't really a huge advantage when DS3 has autoaim. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:58:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Lol. You know, when someone tries to use age as a reference in these forums it usually to mask their own age.
Alright, so lets all get on the same page here. Beeeees, not trying to phase out KB/M users. Just don't want them having normal PC input (you know, cause we aren't on a PC). You say KB/M users don't want raw input?
Well apparently your buddy Paran Tadec disagrees with you.
Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.
As for you Paran Tadec, I highly doubt CCP included KB/M support because they didn't put the game on PC. I would imagine it was due to the fact that almost nobody on the planet knew Dust was even coming, aside from Eve players, and they hoped to gain more players by including KB/M. I don't know what "kiddies" you are referring to, but maybe you need to switch corps if you don't like the age group of your current one. You can't hear the enemy, and if you are in squad or corp chat you can't hear randoms. I would also suggest actually reading the thread, since there are plenty of reasons for lack of KB/M support in the community beyond "dis iz consul". Also, i'm not sure if you are aware, but you spelled those 3 words wrong.
You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider.
How exactly would raw input make KBM superior when DS3 has AIM ASSIST? No one has answered that yet, because they need their crutches. I use KBM because it is more comfortable for me to use when playing at a desk (ps3 next to pc).I can pickup a DS3 and get a higher KDR due to aim assist vs. KBM, but again, its not comfortable. All KBM users want is for there to be no DS3 emulation trash over the mouse, as I nearly quit the first day of uprising due to it.
Secondly, KBM support wasn't in the original closed beta, but came in several months later. CCP had promised support for it earlier because the game was originally slated for PC and consoles, but then became a PS3 exclusive.
Third, the kiddies I refer to are kids like Techmeds. And the misspelling is mocking him. I'm quite shocked you didn't get that. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:09:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote: You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider.
Are you focken serious m8? How long do you think this debate goes on? Good for you to be calm about this only joining in the debate today. At about 6th mentally challenged individual sh!tting in MY cornflakes a day because they feel like jumping a bandwagon I start to lose my temper. Especially when I get baited for ad hominem and then called out for it by a twink. Dunk Mujunk wrote: Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.
In Chromo and now still top players are supposedly DS3 users, your point doesnt stand an inch. The DS3 got aimbot level auto aim right now, so there IS a way of not putting DS3 at a disadvantage, it already exists.
Top of the top player is 13ear. 13ear uses DS3, and showed me how laughably easy DS3 was when that update hit compared to KBM. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:15:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:There still seems to be a communication break down.
I am not saying KB/M is to powerful now.
I am saying expected KB/M performance would be more powerful than DS3.
I am saying on the Playstation 3 Home Video Game Console, with a large portion of the player base using the standard PS3 control device, or Dual Shock 3, giving the KB/M performance that would be expected from a normal PC FPS is a very bad idea.
I have also asked what changes you would make to the KB/M that would, in your eyes, be fair to both PS3 and KB/M, and I am still waiting for something other than anger.
EDIT: Disregard, I see your above post.
Current KBM is fine, but only if you remove aim assist for DS3. |
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Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:58:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Paran Tadec wrote: Current KBM is fine, but only if you remove aim assist for DS3.
On the contrary, current DS3 AA is fine, if you improve KB/M controls.
Its almost as if we are saying the same thing ZOMG. |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.26 22:15:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Lol. You know, when someone tries to use age as a reference in these forums it usually to mask their own age.
Alright, so lets all get on the same page here. Beeeees, not trying to phase out KB/M users. Just don't want them having normal PC input (you know, cause we aren't on a PC). You say KB/M users don't want raw input?
Well apparently your buddy Paran Tadec disagrees with you.
Beeeees, it is not that I want no KB/M, it's that I don't think KB/M users would be satisfied with a control scheme until it was far superior to the DS3, not because KB/M users are @ssholes, but because there is an expected way a KB/M operates, and in my opinion this cannot be reached without putting the DS3 at a disadvantage, and seeing as how this is a PS3 game, that would not be a prudent move by CCP.
As for you Paran Tadec, I highly doubt CCP included KB/M support because they didn't put the game on PC. I would imagine it was due to the fact that almost nobody on the planet knew Dust was even coming, aside from Eve players, and they hoped to gain more players by including KB/M. I don't know what "kiddies" you are referring to, but maybe you need to switch corps if you don't like the age group of your current one. You can't hear the enemy, and if you are in squad or corp chat you can't hear randoms. I would also suggest actually reading the thread, since there are plenty of reasons for lack of KB/M support in the community beyond "dis iz consul". Also, i'm not sure if you are aware, but you spelled those 3 words wrong.
You liked Chromosome times better? That's to bad cause that time has passed. I would suggest injecting a bit more intelligence into your posts. You are a representative of the KB/M side of this debate, and you just made your side look that much stupider. How exactly would raw input make KBM superior when DS3 has AIM ASSIST? No one has answered that yet, because they need their crutches. I use KBM because it is more comfortable for me to use when playing at a desk (ps3 next to pc).I can pickup a DS3 and get a higher KDR due to aim assist vs. KBM, but again, its not comfortable. All KBM users want is for there to be no DS3 emulation trash over the mouse, as I nearly quit the first day of uprising due to it. Secondly, KBM support wasn't in the original closed beta, but came in several months later. CCP had promised support for it earlier because the game was originally slated for PC and consoles, but then became a PS3 exclusive. Third, the kiddies I refer to are kids like Techmeds. And the misspelling is mocking him. I'm quite shocked you didn't get that. Sorry but when I saw you say that you use KB/M because it's more comfortable than using a Control Pad I couldn't help but LMAO, I have played MMO's for well over a decade on the PC and FPS games for well over a decade on the PC and I can honestly say that anyone who claims a KB/M is more comfortable than a CPAD is a lying f*cker Be honest you use it either A.You have got used to using a KB/M from playing PC games for years and are too lazy and set in your ways to use a CPAD B.You thought you'd have some kind of advantage from using KB/M Aim assist and hit detection have been nerfed back down to pre 1.5 levels so there really is nothing to support what you say
You admit in your post there is no advantage to using KBM. KBM is more comfortable because the DS3 design is crap for a controller (would probably use it if it was more like xbox) |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:05:00 -
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M McManus wrote:So 8 pages of multiple kb/m users making valid points and CCP continues to ignore this thread ? Guess the title is fitting. .
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