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Get good and use teamwork

Ok guys, I'm not really big into balancing numbers but I love looking at mechanics and I think I may realized what's going to be the big difference when selecting your weapons.

When you're in that close combat range, which a lot of action around objectives is, the assault rifle would be a better choice functionally not only because of the high ROF but because if you realize you're going off target on your aim, you can stop your aim and readjust to conserve bullets in your magazine. For the rail rifle, every time you let your finger off the trigger you will have to do another 0.2 second charge up to begin firing again, so users will have to choose between using up the magazine or stopping fire and becoming vulnerable for awhile as they attempt to start shooting again. Combine this with the fact that the rail rifle magazine is about a third smaller than the assault rifle, and it seems that at least mechanically you would want to have an assault rifle up close over a rail rifle any day.

Now I'm still not sure if that makes up for the damage numbers, but again balancing statistics isn't really my thing.

One thing you guys should be aware of is that the Rail Rifle (all variants) have a 0.2 second charge time before they start firing at full auto (so it goes charge -> fire -> fire, not charge -> fire -> charge -> fire)

But tanks don't need to right?

If it takes a team of infantry to take down a tank then of course the tank is dominant. If one player can do something that requires several players on the opposing side to counter it, then that thing provides a decisive numerical advantage.

Rocks-paper-scissors requires that one 'paper' (AV) can beat one 'rock' (tank). If it takes two or three AV to beat one tank, then AV is futile, as you'd be better off just bringing out your own tank. In other words, you don't have rock-paper-scissors but rather tank>infantry.

Doesn't matter if they have teamwork...shooting a swarm 6k dmg a pop at 400m your team won't be able to help against that but good try

But tanks don't need to right?

This is going to get lost here on the 13th page, but whatever:

Don't change two stats at once. You have no idea which stat change had the desired impact. Keep everything constant, and change only one stat.

So, for swarms... either change the range and keep damage, or drop damage and keep range.

Or, even better:

Two swarm variants: One with current damage and shorter range
One with reduced damage and current range

That way you can play test both stat changes, and KNOW which stat change had the desired effect.

The problem with your scenario is that AV is not the paper, it is just the sharp end of the scissors (Infantry)
In the ROCK-PAPER-SCISSORS scenario, ROCK = Vehicles, SCISSORS = Infantry, PAPER = Aircraft
There is not a problem with AV ... the Problem is that there are no Attack/Bomber Aircraft (PAPER) to counter the HAV's (ROCK)
If CCP would provide Effective Bomber Dropships, or anti-Vehicle weapons for dropships, the balance would be restored.

On second thought, mechanically I believe my point is valid, but just how long is 0.2 seconds?
http://a.bestmetronome.com/
Turn the metronome to tempo 300, that is 0.2 seconds between each beat.

Spool up time probably needs to increase quite a bit.

Over 6months of nerfs to all vehicles i have adapted everytime and use teamwork with them yet AV users think they can solo us from the otherside of the map with ease

Now its your turn to adapt and get good

Laser rifle is not part of the same class of weapons. Just because it says "rifle" doesn't mean you should compare it with assault rifle, scrambler rifles, combat rifles, and rail rifles. I mean, by that case we should also be trying to compare sniper rifles in this group as well.

I like the 200 tempo

If there was any viable light-weapon AV alternative to the swarm launcher, then I wouldn't mind as much, but there isn't.

And it still only takes one person to drive a tank plus they can kill you from any distance you can kill him (assuming they're using a railgun). Why should it take an entire squad working together to kill them? I've always been a proponent of lowering ISK costs for vehicles and vehicle modules/weapons, because balancing based on ISK is stupid.

330 x 6 = 1980. Nice try at math.

330 x 6 = 1980. Nice try at math.

Take a look at the Plasma Cannon with it's 0.6 charge-up time and you'll change your mind, lol.

0.2 seconds is nothing, the human eye blinks at a speed of 0.4 seconds.

Except you still can't kill Logi LAV's, so reducing the AV damage plus the range just makes them even more of a nuisance.

a .02 charge up time is pretty significant, as is the seizure mechanic on the scrambler, so I expect the gun is pretty well balanced around that to offset its better stats.

Have faith, and wait until you see the gun in action before saying its unbalanced.

On second thought, mechanically I believe my point is valid, but just how long is 0.2 seconds?
http://a.bestmetronome.com/
Turn the metronome to tempo 300, that is 0.2 seconds between each beat.

Spool up time probably needs to increase quite a bit.

its 61.6 but yer 100m range,scope and full auto i think we just found the new FOTH

Blink speed is actually 0.004 seconds on average ...
Average Blink Speed

CCP Has and is Presently Showing There None Concern About Adding Any New Weapons And Or Content To Heavy Class Dropsuits .

The HMG's Are Already Weak The Shield and Armor Are Outdated The Forge Gun Takes Forever To Charge We Are Slow As Fu.ck In Turning AND NOW THESE "SKAMPS" HAVE MORE WEAPONS TO TAKE US HEAVY'S OUT WITH ...!


Come On CCP Throw Us Heavys A New Fuc.king Weapon Like a Giant Laser Thing Or a Giant Rocket Launcher Grenade Launcher We Just Have TWO 2 Deuce Heavy Weapons To Choose From Dammit !

Hey scrub talk to venery you know an Imperfect? He puts out that much say what you want lmfao get good..your forgetting dmg mods and all that goodstuff aswell you can't do math if your forgetting the equation smart guy also is this current stats or updated.?

What you're also saying now is my Swarms do a fraction of the damage they once did when it already takes me 6 shots (2 reloads) plus nanohives to break some of these tanks at proficiency 5 and 3 complex damage mods. Let's not even mention Blaster tanks. Now I have to be in the middle of the street to get a lock on the tanks. Right in the optimal range of my enemy, to gun me down completely.