There was never a need for tier-based vehicles, the role-based ones served their purpose pretty well (well... Marauders at least..)



I promise you the RR is going to have **** hipfire. High recoil will make that true.

I doubt it, honestly. Submachine Gun has some pretty crazy recoil unless you skill into it and it does pretty damage well at hitting it's target despite having a large hip-fire spread.

Another thing is that if it has high recoil it's going to be less efficient at the longer ranges it's meant for, so until we see some gameplay video showing what it's like there's not much we can do but speculate. I would -like- it to be well balanced but all we have as fact are these numbers, we can't base warning signs on assumption and speculation.

How about a petition to change the name of the current "Assault Rifle" to "Blaster Rifle"? It seems more fitting to the tech and less confusing since all of these weapons are technically part of the Assault Rifle class.

~All In Favor~

On AV Nerfs:
Alarming but likely necessary should the formerly proposed vehicle changes be implemented.
Proto swarms were effective vs HAVs but largely useless vs Dropships.
Not sure why Swarms were smashed and Forge Guns left alone.

On Rifles:
Will range-optimized rifles devastate in close quarters (i.e. former TacAR)?
Did the vanilla AR dodge a balance pass?
Any specific improvements in the works for specialty weapons Laser Rifles and Shotguns?

Does the rail rifle count as a hybrid weapon? Gallente Assaults want to know.

The Rail Rifle in my experience has a fair bit of kick to it. I'll talk to CCP Wolfman and see if we can get some footage of all four rifles firing a full clip without any input correction (player moving the trigger to keep it on target).

The Rail Rifle in my experience has a fair bit of kick to it. I'll talk to CCP Wolfman and see if we can get some footage of all four rifles firing a full clip without any input correction (player moving the trigger to keep it on target).

But tanks don't need to right?

The breach variant is a capable light av weapon, but for all sakes and purposes its a launcher weapon for the minmatar there wont be like a minmatar rpg launcher yet until there is far more racial parity.

well you are not a dropship person 2 shots on a dropship with an assault forge gun and most are blowed up or hurting so bad they are running away for a few mins, I think the changes are too much of a nerf on swarms. it is hard to kill a good tanker now but after this changes LOL we will need a full squad just for 1 tank. the damage is fine on swarms because most dropships can out run the 2 or 3 shot of a swarmer by flying up or just flying away. but I get they are making so lavs have a chance against a swarm. but if you do this when llav come back they will be kill taxis all over. if you do these changes I know a lot of the people you have will be mad and want a respect which you need to give because people choose those skills and after a few months you change them. it hurts having to start again on looking at new skills just to stay in the game.

Excellent.
I look forward to seeing this.

Not sure if this was asked already, but will any variants of the rail rifle be "charge to fire"? (Like the charge sniper)

That would make sense for the TRR.

The Rail Rifle in my experience has a fair bit of kick to it. I'll talk to CCP Wolfman and see if we can get some footage of all four rifles firing a full clip without any input correction (player moving the trigger to keep it on target).

1: I am a DS person, just that they cost too much for the said reason

2: I kill HAV's easy with my Wiki swarms, and will continue to do so with these changes. Why? Simple: I will just sneak up on the HAV, and pop it as I have been. If I can' t do it by myself, I'll get another guy to help me. It's not like they are that strong, especially with the changes made to them.

Well I was going to wait and see how the rail rifle's rof and .2 second charge up time will balance it out for cqc fights. As of now it does seem like the rail rifle plays like the op breach rifle back in the day.

See everybody else? This guy doesn't complain about not being able to instantly destroy a tank with swarms.

Hmm...quite keen to see a video like this.

My guess is that if you keep a light tough on the trigger squeezing out one or two rounds the accuracy will be outstanding. ACOG scope, range, and striking power...nice. The 'fair bit of kick" will preclude you from shredding multiple guys at range. Balance seems legit.

The addition of the Assault version looks like the method of giving the RR a workable option in closer quarters. Even with the kick if it has a solid hip fire capability this should be a solid option. I suspect (hope) they have a dispersion perk or sharpshooter perk as part of the skill tree to off-set the recoil.

I'm pretty interested in seeing how this works out!

The old breach was never OP.

The only weapon I'm quite worried about at the moment is the Scrambler Rifle.

Looking at the proto assault variant it requires less CPU and just 2 PG more than the Duvolle AR, but has an optimal range comparable to the current Tactical AR. It is full-auto, deals comparable amounts of damage per second and has a significantly larger clipsize, reloads faster and has a red dot sight.

I'm not calling it OP yet, but looking at the stats I guess this will be a VERY good weapon.

Hi guys,

ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress

First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img]

As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img]

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman

So, will the range buffs to the Scrambler Rifle result in the semi-auto version getting a scope? As it's designed as a longer range weapon, I think it really needs one.

It'd be nice to have the Laser Rifle receive an "ACOG" sight as well, actually. They're both meant to be longer range weapons but are only equipped with reflex sights.

As of right now, it takes me at least two Packed EX11 AV grenades to blow up a militia LAV, three to blow up a STD LAV. Logi LAVs, those I'm not even talking about. That's 2-3 tier 4 grenades.

I'm pretty sure that with the proposed AV changes, the starter LAV will need 3 STD grenades to effectively take it out.

All 3 STD grenades will need to land. To get rid of the starter LAV.

Not even talking about HAVs.

>Implying vehicles aren't being changed as well

But LAVs are buffed.