as everyone can see you still dont get it and you now just posted something against yourself without knowing it. that is what happens when you suffer from tunnelvision syndrome.

ok, because I am nice I will repeat it for you: it will take ~23-30 seconds with a solo nerfed swarms to take out an armor tank with the announced changes (time depending on amount of damage mods) in an unrealistic combat scenario. that means in a real combat scenario it will most likely take half a minute or more of shooting to take down a tank with stacked dmg mods.

you dont see it or you do not want to see it?

the numbers are posted on page 7. look it up and deal with it.

How old are you? Because that is some seriously juvenile idiocy right there lol.

And can I have an actual link for that please rather than just taking your word for it, if there's solid proof I'll admit iv behaved like a ignorant **** but I've seen nothing ng that states this, just that Maddy s will have the slot layout of a soma.

wow your denial is just too obvious.

it was stated 3 times just on the last page where you find it.
for the 4th time, the numbers and explanation is presented on page 7.

Yeah I just read it, I'm going to ignore you now because you appear to be either thick as sht or trolling, goodbye lol.

That calculator is based off of a guy just stood still shooting x av weapon at a tank also stood still, it does not and cannot take into account the random variables of gameplay, what a waste of time.

basically you are saying it takes longer than the math shows in which case you made yourself look stupid again because you just busted yourself.

basically you are saying it takes longer than the math shows in which case you made yourself look stupid again because you just busted yourself.

No it takes less, way less, you just carry on assuming trash, that's what your mind seems to be filled with and I strongly believe your just some troll neckbeard.

The initial shield layer usually gets wiped with the 1st volley. And the dev post did not mention reduced clip size only reduced lock on range and less damage per missile. So you are pulling rabbits out of a hat with the statement that swarms will have only 2 rounds per clip. If you have a link providing more information then share it.

The more I look at these changes the more I see problems.

The weapons with higher ranges are doing more damage than the weapons with low ranges. Take the rail rifle. The assault variant does more damage than a plasma rifle of an equivalent tier, at a significantly longer range. The damage is at a lower RoF and higher damage per shot so there's less grace for missing, but all the same more damage and a much longer range completely overshadows the existing AR.

If a weapon has more range, it needs to lose damage as a trade-off. It can't be like this, where the longer range weapons have both a range advantage AND a DPS advantage.

Hi guys,

ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress

First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img]

As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img]

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman

delta all they have done is release the damage values for the swarms and the changes in lock-on time and range. no one has mentioned the new clip size or if the proto swarms carry more than 6 missiles per volley. you seemed pretty happy when they released the stats for the new vehicle system as tanks will be inherently weaker to your av win button . it has been too easy to break a tank for too long and now they are evening out the field you are getting upset. I personally welcome all the new changes and look forward to putting them into practice and seeing the actual results before I do what you are doing i.e. crying because win button is taken away.

delta all they have done is release the damage values for the swarms and the changes in lock-on time and range. no one has mentioned the new clip size or if the proto swarms carry more than 6 missiles per volley. you seemed pretty happy when they released the stats for the new vehicle system as tanks will be inherently weaker to your av win button . it has been too easy to break a tank for too long and now they are evening out the field you are getting upset. I personally welcome all the new changes and look forward to putting them into practice and seeing the actual results before I do what you are doing i.e. crying because win button is taken away.

Nice. So now advanced and proto tanks can stomp harder. Brilliant move.

Just when you think CCP are getting things right.

At least assault is getting more weapons to kill us heavies with.

Lets see if they ruin the forge gun like they ruined the HMG.

Hmm you know this reminds me of something, didnt tankers say they shouldnt die so easily because of how much isk they spend? Well here we have a suit made of glass that can only maybe kill something cheaper while dying to it in seconds
I mean if tankers were really concerned about balancing to isk cost they should be all over this right since its not fair which was a big part of the arguments Ive seen

technically, you can only keep this up if you can click 7 times a seocnd.

Even a militia tank costs more than a protoswarm suit.

You and ppl like leukopuss must be absolutely balling your little eyes out, months of spouting complete horse s*** hasn't paid off, now you can cry and kick all you like CCP never changes its mind once it states stuff like this.

Sadly you irrational pole smokers can't see how good these changes really are, when both sides hate the outcome the negotiator has done his job.

Show me where I was rejoicing about the vehicle changes, the thread is right below this one and I dont recall ever posting in it
While you are at it tell me how militia gear inherently being stronger than proto gear is balance and why requiring more than one person to destroy something controlled by one person is balanced, and please keep in mind that this is one person in something of militia level

Even a militia tank costs more than a protoswarm suit.

ERROR!

Why does the Standard Scrambler Rifle have an Optimal of 85 and Effective of 80 ?

Even a militia tank costs more than a protoswarm suit.

You and ppl like leukopuss must be absolutely balling your little eyes out, months of spouting complete horse s*** hasn't paid off, now you can cry and kick all you like CCP never changes its mind once it states stuff like this.

Sadly you irrational pole smokers can't see how good these changes really are, when both sides hate the outcome the negotiator has done his job.