About Swarms.....yeah.......I'd like my sp back now please.So I can put it into LAv's

Oh wait people already did that before and continue to do it.Guess I just need to join the heard.(sarcasm)

In all seriousness though.People spent 6 months running down any proto suit/player that they saw with LAV's.Most people got tired of this and therefore spec'd into AV ie Swarms and AV nades which by the way LAi dai's were not blowing up LAV's unless they were stopped.Reducing Lock on range??? People are bitching because they cant sit in a tank and completely own.Not to mention most of these people cant play and shooter in the first place thats why they tank!!! Armor tankers that I know laughing over comms in squad as they run down heavies with forge guns.......

Im just going to stop right there.Fk it.....

Like I said can I get my sp back?

EDIT: Half of these people that armor tank.Dont know how to tank in this game they forget to hit there reppers or they dont turn them on when they go into potentially dangerous areas.It just like everyother class and race they dont know how to fit the tank and assume just because its a Madrugar and they've seen some other guy with a Madrugar kill everyone that since they unlocked it they can do that too with there base chassis.Ive also seen Tankers that I know go A whole week in the past and not loose a tank........I was in closed beta when free militia viper dropships flew faster than the swarms....why do we keep going through this?

My feedback on this is that the game will be virtually unplayable for infantry players (i.e. 90%+ of the playerbase).

The expectation was something like a 5% or at most 10% nerf to AV. I wouldn't have liked that, as I think the current tank/infantry balance is good (I see tanks going 40+/0 frequently in pubs, and good tankers are the most valuable asset in PC), but I could have lived with it. 33% nerf to damage for swarms and 31% for AV nades (at PRO) is just ridiculous. Add to that the 56% nerf to swarm launcher range and it is clear that the intention is to make that weapon (the primary AV weapon) unusable.

Do you guys have such short memories that you can't remember the indestructible tanks in beta? Because that's what you will go back to with these numbers.

61*12=732

Heavies have more base HP then that.

Miss read the chart perhaps?

You are an idiot ... why are their so many idiots replying on this topic ???? THE RAIL RIFLE WILL NOT DO AS MUCH DAMAGE IN CQC AS THE GALLENTE DO .. THE DAMAGE THEY DO SHOULD ALWAYS BE EQUAL AT THEIR OWN OPTIMAL RANGES .. WHY THE HELL SHOULD A WEAPON DO LESS DAMAGE THAN A CQC WEAPON WHEN AT ITS OPTIMUM RANGE ?

Seriously how can something as simple as this be so hard to understand ... get close .. fight at your optimum range and gain the advantage .. if you're fighting at a rail rifles optimum range when you are out f your own weapons range you are gonna get killed ...

This is my issue ... Idiots calling for nerfs because they do not understand basic concepts which then leads to a poor game

Why, again, do we have FOUR Assault Rifle variations and only TWO of the others?

Has everyone missed the part where the Rail Rifle has the same damage per second as the assault rifle over twice the range? Yeah. So, Heavies will indeed be dropping in two to three seconds to Rail Rifles, provided this is an accurate representation of how the gun will work and there isn't some crazy recoil.

Back during beta swarms were not invisible from a long range, they also did 30 less damage a swarm, thats 120 less a volly at basic and 180 unmodified at proto, tanks were stronger, no logi lav, and didnt unload their whole load before their first swarms hit a tank. Ive killed whole teams, and if there is one swarmer, at the current build the game is in, he can unload 4 vollys that i cant see before the first one hits me, my hardener takes 5 seconds to start repper too. Though i normaly have my repper up very few tanks can survive 4 vollys of proto swarms. Also remember the numbers for av are getting changed in response to the vehicals all getting changed. Av nades also needed a change because of the logi lav's being stronger and 200% faster than thanks. I understand that i cant sit around in my tank and kill and gain money, a tank fit atm cost about 1-3 mill each, every game gets you about 200k-500k, meaning losing one tank costs you at min 2 games at most 15 games of doing well and not dying to make any money at all. Most really good tankers go maybe 3 games at most without losing their tank, till 3 guys throw av nades and kill them in 2 nades each. Lastly if a forger gets run down by a tank, hes an idiot and shouldnt have that forge gun, he'll shoot his eye out.

No i totally saw it. I am not happy about it at all.
I also wonder if that is the range where i generally cant even see the shooter because heavy weapon's dont generally have a zoom to them and it seems after a certain distance you cant even see a little of a player the game just dosn't even bother drawing them.
Another reason i have switched to using my assault suit with a scrambler. That ever so slight zoom they get means i can actually target someone that is far off. Best part is the lagg that happens when i zoom in to where i think they are and 1 second there is nothing then poof like magic someone is right where i zoomed in and they are already fine tuning their aim on me. Sometimes there is enough lagg so that i can see them just in time to lie down from a headshot.

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

Well, you should see them at that distance. You can't hit them unless you run towards them for 10 seconds first, but you can see them as they kill you in 1.5 seconds (real number if the headshot modifier is 1.5 for RRs) with headshots.

Laser rifle r.i.p to the rail rifle laser rifle brothers take a moment of silence well at least we were back for a few months .

Thank god! Swarms and av nades were the only thing that I couldn't seem to get away from in my logi lav. Now I might be able to use the damn thing with my team and actually put my gunner to work x.x 400k isk per vehicle and can be killed by two guys with advanced swarms. I mean yeah, that's a lot of missiles but the thing has damage resistance out the tailpipe!

Combat rifle
Based on the stats the burst and full auto have the same fire rate. evidently their is a .05 second delay between each shot even in the busts. We do not have a burst delay stat so, its hard to tell what its true fire rate is. mostly likely the same burst delay as the galente burst.

Therefore it will take .15 seconds to fire one burst which will do a total of 96 damage. If this is the case and their is a .1 second delay. 1 second the cambat rifle does 96 damage in .25seconds time * 4 = 384DPS.

If the CB rifle has a 384 DPS, then it will take it 2.86 seconds to kill a heavy. Which is pretty bad. considering minmintar about speed and power.

I am really worried the combat rilfe is going to be utter garbage. And join the ranks of all the other minmintar wepaonry. The only usable minmintar stuff in this game are locus grenades and smgs....

Would love to see a DPS comparison between all 4 rifle types, the GAR should have the highest DPS for its range sacrifice while the Rail rifle should have the lowest DPS for its higher range, what this does is maintain each gun dominant within its range fields. If the DPS remains the same for each gun what would happen is that the longest range weapon becomes the FOTM and the low range weapons become novelty.

Looking at the ranges the GAR should have at least a 25-40% DPS advantage against the Rail rifle, while the Combat rifle and scrambler sit in between, keep in mind that outside of optimal and maximum range the DPS advantage has no advantage. Remember that DPS does not mean high damage, DPS is usually judged by low damage-per-shot and high ROF or a mixture of medium damage and medium-high ROF, while low DPS is usually (for high damage weapons) high-damage-per-shot and low ROF. A good way to see how this comes into play is by comparing the gameplay of a Blaster cannon and Rail gun on a tank, at long ranges the Rail gun will always beat the blaster, but at close ranges the Blaster will always beat the Rail gun. This works for either burst, tactical, or assault variants.

Without adding the GAR and the Scrambler to this weapon comparison its hard to see how this will add a balanced gameplay, so far these two new rifles seem (at least to me) to overpower the previous rifles.

(...)So, full auto Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles have around the same damage output, but at a much longer range than standard Assault Rifles. A 0.2 second spool up doesn't seem to me like it'll be enough to stop Rail Rifle dominance. 3% more damage and a 30m range extension beyond the 48m of the Assault Rifle is very, very good.

(...)Unless you severely modify the Laser Rifle, the Rail Rifle will either be consistently dealing twice the damage or the Laser will need to charge up for 12 times longer to reach comparable DPS, at which point it's dead twice over. The Rail Rifle thus far seems to be mathematically superior to the Laser Rifle in every way. As a Laser Rifle user, I am disappointed by this news.

Congratulations. You didn't want AR 514, so CCP has made it Long Range AR 514. They have the same DPS over a longer range with negligible trade offs. Are there any mechanics that have not been stated yet for these weapons?

Has everyone missed the part where the Rail Rifle has the same damage per second as the assault rifle over twice the range? Yeah. So, Heavies will indeed be dropping in two to three seconds to Rail Rifles, provided this is an accurate representation of how the gun will work and there isn't some crazy recoil.

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman

Not a fan of the proposed changes to the AV grenades. It's the most difficult AV weapon to use because it requires you to be essentially face to face with a tank. More risk should equal better reward, ie more damage.

lolno

How are you face to face with a tank when you are hiding around a corner or behind a wall spamming AV nades which never miss because lolhomingcrutch

Loltalking about crutches when he sits in a vehicle that is practically immune to all but three weapons and self heals

Loltalking about crutches when he sits in a vehicle that is practically immune to all but three weapons and self heals