dat swarm nerf.


so it will take almost half a minute of continous fire with swarms at max range of 175m against tanks with the announced changes to kill them solo and that is if he does not move into cover...
and dropships are unkillable with that low lock range...


really bad change, considering that swarm can only attack vehicles.

Yes, so it's likely to be accurate at range. So it's accurate, has a longer range than other rifles, and has more damage than other rifles. Do you see the problem?

Woot.

My only concern is the lock range though.

Also for those of you complaining most vehicles potential tank of HAVs were reduced by a similar manner (removal of a module slot can hurt a tank significantly), based on just early theorycrafting lighter vehicles benefit the most from the AV nerf tanks more or less still die the samish or is now threatened by lesser vehicles again. However until I see the newer vehicle numbers I wont be able to play out any scenarios.

Overall from the looks of it the rail rifle range is significant enough that there is lapses where its very superior to the plasma rifle.

This is somewhat alarming, actually... The Assault Rail Rifle outperforms -EVERYTHING- else in terms of Damage and Range. I don't see any reason to continue using the Assault Rifle when it doesn't even do what it's supposed to anymore: High damage in close quarters combat.

Comparable Level Assault Variant Rifles, in order from highest to lowest DPS:

SL-4 Assault Rail Rifle: 458.6
GEK-38 Assault Rifle: 446.25
CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle: 444.7
8K-42 Assault Combat Rifle: 440

Comparable level Assault Variant Rifles, in order from highest to lowest Optimal Range:

SL-4 Assault Rail Rifle: 72 meters
CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle: 55 meters
8K-42 Assault Combat Rifle: 50 meters
GEK-38 Assault Rifle: 44 meters

Comparable level Assault Variant Rifles, in order from highest to lowest Effective Range:

SL-4 Assault Rail Rifle: 94 meters
CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle: 83 meters
8K-42 Assault Combat Rifle: 77 meters
GEK-38 Assault Rifle: 72 meters

Sixes, eights, and nines.


Also, that nerf to swarm launcher range seems a bit absurd.

Or two guys in less than 10 seconds, tanks are not supposed to be easily 1 manned, all that sp and isk invested is supposed to kill people you know, not just look cool.

I hope so. At the moment, the one mitigating factor to this is the very short charge up time before firing.

Ah yes. This post will do fine.

I love how everyone disregarded the charge up time for the new rail rifle...

Ah yes. This post will do fine.

I love how everyone disregarded the charge up time for the new rail rifle...

Yes, so it's likely to be accurate at range. So it's accurate, has a longer range than other rifles, and has more damage than other rifles. Do you see the problem?

Oh I dunno, the 15 other infantry slaying players on your team seem a good countermeasure to me. Especially seeing as the swarm player is basically defenseless against infantry slayers and can also be insta killed by any vehicle if in range. And lest not forget about all those hills and buildings tankers like to hide behind, nullifying any and all swarms.

Now if every player could dual wield a swarm and their favorite light or heavy weapon, then yeah you might have an argument. But no, that's not the case, you just want tank ez mode and portray yourself as a victim so you get buffed and AV gets nerfed .


Nerfing AV at all in anticipation of the tank changes is the worst possible idea. You guys get invincible mode back, and AV gets nerfed? Even though we currently need proto AV to adequately scare off, and sometimes blow up, well fit STD tanks? lol.

They won't be removed, no, but they will be tweaked slightly. The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on.

In a surprise turn around a corner in close quarters combat, that .2 seconds will be very interesting since user of other rifles will get instant fire ability. These rails on the other hand won't do well if the user gets into a situation where he can be ambushed...

Does a delay of less than two bullet's worth seem like a significant enough balancing factor given that once you're firing you can fire continuously for eight seconds of high DPS at a long range?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299
CCP Remnant said this about AR variants, and other rifles getting their own other variants (beides just assault variants).

Can anyone in CCP CONFIRM or DENY this is still planned? Will the AR be the only one who gets all the variants?

So AR gets special treatment because it was there first? Remove the extra variants, and just have a respec.
The alternative is to give each race variants of every other race's rifle to be fair like CCP Remnant PROMISED but seemed to forgot and have not mentioned sense.

this is ******** because it creates artificial numbers advantage. 2 guys with AV to kill one tank => one guy less to fight compared to the other team. why not just then bring only tanks into the game, you wont kill the tanks in time because you have limited amount of suits in a match. if you want to change ar514 into tanks514, then go ahead. as long as it takes only 1 guy to run a tank, then it should also take 1 guy to counter it (note I said not to destroy it). half a minute of shooting is not a counter, it is waste of time, after ~20s I simply move away into cover and come back few seconds later. this is not rocket science, all it takes to understand this is common sense.

also isk balance work differently than you think, beside that you get plenty of advantages in a tank for the isk you pay, namely immunity to majority of weapons, ability to destory installations, range, mobility, etc... so all your points are null and void.

and you specifically ignored the dropship and lav argument. how are you going to counter them? dropships are already unkillable to swarms with AB, now they dont need it cause the simply move out of range with regular movement speed.

I'll reserve judgment till I get to play with at least the militia variants but I'm a bit worried about the AV nerfs. Obviously we haven't got the final vehicle stats but if it ends that it need more than two infantry AV users working together to take down a tank, then we have a return of of the invincible tanks of the closed beta and the game is screwed.

Have you even read the dev blog? It shows the different variants for the combat and rail rifle.

Only assault variants. Have you read my post? I SPECIFICALLY said "besides just assault variants".

The base rail rifle is a "breach", slow firing automatic.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and burst.

The base combat rifle is a "burst", fires in 3 round bursts.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and breach.

The base scrambler rifle is a "tactical", fires single fire long range.
Also gets a assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing burst, and breach.

The base assault rifle is a "assault", fires in fast automatic fire.
Also gets a breach variant.
Also gets a burst variant.
Also gets a tactical variant.
So assault rifle is missing NOTHING, and gets EVERYTHING.

If you are that thick as to not take down any vehicle with a squad mate then that's your problem.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299
CCP Remnant said this about AR variants, and other rifles getting their own other variants (beides just assault variants).

Can anyone in CCP CONFIRM or DENY this is still planned? Will the AR be the only one who gets all the variants?

Nerfing AV grenades is all well and good but wouldn't swapping their damage with that of mines make for more tactical anti-vehicle play? An equipment slot item rather than a grenade (no assault based 'nade spam). Plus the ability to set traps in exchange for the ability to just chuck them from behind cover.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870299#post870299
CCP Remnant said this about AR variants, and other rifles getting their own other variants (beides just assault variants).

Can anyone in CCP CONFIRM or DENY this is still planned? Will the AR be the only one who gets all the variants?

that tunnelvision and lack of basic comprehension of a human you just repeated why it is wrong and still dont get it...