Wait, the MD is supposed to be an AV weapon?!?

You see that frowny face? No idea what this guy said, but he is quite plainly angry.

Friendly Reminder: Angered Russians = Ganked Servers

Only a Commado can do that though - CCP created that problem.

And how do they fix it? Punish all the other users by dropping damage and range.

Only a Commado can do that though - CCP created that problem.

And how do they fix it? Punish all the other users by dropping damage and range.

technically, you can only keep this up if you can click 7 times a seocnd.

you guys think its ok to take 30% damage off of the swarm launcher? really? thats stupid.....and really not doing anything to the Forge....whatever.....

You could have your SP into Vehicles in the first place..then you should be grumpy.

If there is a vehicle SP reset which there could be considering the change in the skill tree....I have one word of advice...take ALL those points and put em into an AR Logi.....unless you find the need to get some proto gear on your basic vehicle for the next 8 months..

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

So now there is no point in speccing into swarms.

Forge will have far superior range

Forge will have far superior damage to vehicles/installations

Forge will have far superior infantry sniping/obliterating ability

Dont waste any points in Swarm Launchers, there is no benefit, put all those sp points into a level 1 heavy suit then level up that Forge Gun. Then we can all have fun as 16 forgers fight 16 forgers. There is zero benefit to swarms after the nerf, hurray it's a light weapon who cares, the plasma cannon and mass driver are going to be more effective AV at this rate.

Just start the match in a logi suit and fly to the highest point on any map, even the new ones, drop uplinks and nanohives, then suicide and get back to those hives and forge away. Now you can solo anything anyone can throw at you. And this is balance? To nerf the only strictly AV weapon in the game and force anyone that can think logically to spec into Forges is going to kill diversity.

I am all for trying to improve the game and balance stats and gameplay, if swarms are ripping the new tanks up on your test servers, then can you please get someone that has used a forge before to take a couple shots at one. It sounds like a fully specced forger, damage mods and level 5 proficiency, will be one shotting tanks. This on top of one shotting anyone in its sights. No wonder all we see in planetary conquest is forges on towers and roofs. Who cares about new rifles when Forge> All.

Yay! more AR flavors. You know, because we did not have enough AR in this game. Thanks, CCP!

So now there is no point in speccing into swarms.

Forge will have far superior range

Forge will have far superior damage to vehicles/installations

Forge will have far superior infantry sniping/obliterating ability

Dont waste any points in Swarm Launchers, there is no benefit, put all those sp points into a level 1 heavy suit then level up that Forge Gun. Then we can all have fun as 16 forgers fight 16 forgers. There is zero benefit to swarms after the nerf, hurray it's a light weapon who cares, the plasma cannon and mass driver are going to be more effective AV at this rate.

Just start the match in a logi suit and fly to the highest point on any map, even the new ones, drop uplinks and nanohives, then suicide and get back to those hives and forge away. Now you can solo anything anyone can throw at you. And this is balance? To nerf the only strictly AV weapon in the game and force anyone that can think logically to spec into Forges is going to kill diversity.

I am all for trying to improve the game and balance stats and gameplay, if swarms are ripping the new tanks up on your test servers, then can you please get someone that has used a forge before to take a couple shots at one. It sounds like a fully specced forger, damage mods and level 5 proficiency, will be one shotting tanks. This on top of one shotting anyone in its sights. No wonder all we see in planetary conquest is forges on towers and roofs. Who cares about new rifles when Forge> All.

Lol at Swarms getting a nerf but FG still one hitting anything it touches, wtf CCP do something about forge gunners camping roof tops and demolishing infantry in one shot/splash...

Swarms are still wicked effective on DS

So now there is no point in speccing into swarms.

Forge will have far superior range

Forge will have far superior damage to vehicles/installations

Forge will have far superior infantry sniping/obliterating ability

Dont waste any points in Swarm Launchers, there is no benefit, put all those sp points into a level 1 heavy suit then level up that Forge Gun. Then we can all have fun as 16 forgers fight 16 forgers. There is zero benefit to swarms after the nerf, hurray it's a light weapon who cares, the plasma cannon and mass driver are going to be more effective AV at this rate.

Just start the match in a logi suit and fly to the highest point on any map, even the new ones, drop uplinks and nanohives, then suicide and get back to those hives and forge away. Now you can solo anything anyone can throw at you. And this is balance? To nerf the only strictly AV weapon in the game and force anyone that can think logically to spec into Forges is going to kill diversity.

I am all for trying to improve the game and balance stats and gameplay, if swarms are ripping the new tanks up on your test servers, then can you please get someone that has used a forge before to take a couple shots at one. It sounds like a fully specced forger, damage mods and level 5 proficiency, will be one shotting tanks. This on top of one shotting anyone in its sights. No wonder all we see in planetary conquest is forges on towers and roofs. Who cares about new rifles when Forge> All.

Yes wicked effective if the dropship hovers less than 175m from swarmer and doesnt try to fly away, Forge still wins. AV nades almost win.

Forge will have that ridiculously fast and effective suit attached to it too.

Are the people complaining about lack of Forge changes incapable of reading?

Hi guys,

ItGÇÖs time for some stats! Before you dive in to them let me remind you these are still a work in progress

First off there has been a fair bit of speculation surrounding the upcoming Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle. Speculate no more, for here are their current stats:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg[/img]

As a part of their introduction to the game we also plan to rejig the rifle range profiles in line with the weapon type. Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons, projectile weapons and then hybrid GÇô blaster weapons. In the chart below you can see how they stack up Vs one another:

[img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg[/img]

Lastly, as part of the ongoing vehicle work I can confirm we are also making changes to AV. So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. These are the current numbers we are testing:

- Reduced AV grenade damage (STD: 1050 -> 725; ADV: 1260 -> 870; PRO: 1470->1015 )
- Reduced swarm launcher damage (330 -> 220)
- Reduced Swarm Launcher lock-on range from 400m to 175m

WeGÇÖre looking forward to hearing your feedback!

CCP Wolfman

So now there is no point in speccing into swarms.

Forge will have far superior range

Forge will have far superior damage to vehicles/installations

Forge will have far superior infantry sniping/obliterating ability

Dont waste any points in Swarm Launchers, there is no benefit, put all those sp points into a level 1 heavy suit then level up that Forge Gun. Then we can all have fun as 16 forgers fight 16 forgers. There is zero benefit to swarms after the nerf, hurray it's a light weapon who cares, the plasma cannon and mass driver are going to be more effective AV at this rate.

Just start the match in a logi suit and fly to the highest point on any map, even the new ones, drop uplinks and nanohives, then suicide and get back to those hives and forge away. Now you can solo anything anyone can throw at you. And this is balance? To nerf the only strictly AV weapon in the game and force anyone that can think logically to spec into Forges is going to kill diversity.

I am all for trying to improve the game and balance stats and gameplay, if swarms are ripping the new tanks up on your test servers, then can you please get someone that has used a forge before to take a couple shots at one. It sounds like a fully specced forger, damage mods and level 5 proficiency, will be one shotting tanks. This on top of one shotting anyone in its sights. No wonder all we see in planetary conquest is forges on towers and roofs. Who cares about new rifles when Forge> All.

Just to clarify, this stuff is still slated for 1.7 and NOT 1.6, correct?

Swarms can be equipped by any suit with a light slot.

Swarms can be equipped by any suit with a light slot.

Yes, good point, and forges can be equipped by any suit with a heavy slot, be it militia or bpo which both require no skill. Any other comments to make that have nothing to do with the issue at hand? Like swarms shoot a volley of rockets? Who cares? There is no benefit to speccing into swarms after the next nerf. A commando with swarms is still less effective than a forge. Look at the stats you guys have, how many commando suits are being used in PC, how many Forges are being used? How many vehicles are blown up by swarms vs forges? How many infantry are one shot by Forges? You seriously read my post and could only come up with swarms fitting in dropsuit slots that can take light weapons?