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Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1137	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:29:00 - [29191] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ares 514 wrote: So despite suggestions from others to train the Min Commands (for AV purposes, I hate tanks) I stuck to scouts and decided to go level 3 Min Scout. Mainly because i've been fooling around with NK fits on my gal scout and the bonus to gal scouts is really **** since the EWar changes combined with heavies surviving a blow of my charged proto NK's. So more of a pub fun fit. Only had time for two quick matches and they were not on the best maps for NK's. As often happens with NK's my KDR took a bit of a hit. Initial Impressions: Like the speed I got with two kincats (slightly faster then my gal scout fitting); however, the big diff is I really notice the stamina recovery versus the gal scout. Didn't really notice the diff of not having a complex dampener on (gal scout has one) but that could have been who i was fighting. I did get scanned once which was annoying. I've heard everyone *** about PG issues, but WTF it's worse then I thought if you want to have KC's on it and you're running an advanced dropsuit with proto NK's. Fitting it was really hard. Debating only having one KC and putting a Complex dampener on to free up some PG. But i like the speed with a NK fit. (despite it getting me killed more often then not) If I remember back to my impressions picking up Minja again after running cal/gal scout pre-1.8 - yeah the stamina thing is the most noticeable I would say. Of course the NK damage too - you won't often OHK a heavy - I think even a basic heavy can easily run over 1150 HP (charged NKs, both swipes hit). But most other suits are going down. I run advanced mostly too - I have three fits, one has 2x KC, one has KC + PD, one has KC + Ferros. Yeah I can't get enough of the speed either - 2x KC is my favourite as long as not getting scanned too often. Yeah, the stamina recovery diff and PG issue seems to be the main differences for sure. I guess it made me finally take off that damn cloak though, no way i was going to be able to fit it. I hate the cloak in it's current form yet still have it on tons of fits (who knows why). Edit: I think i have the cloak because once in a while it's useful (climbing ladders, crossing big open spaces, getting me killed when i have it out yet am not cloaked but for some reason can't change back to a weapon). That and for the life of me I can't figure out what to replace it with. Put an advanced active scanner on one fitting but never really liked them. Overlord of Broman
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6740	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:47:00 - [29192] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ares 514 wrote: So despite suggestions from others to train the Min Commands (for AV purposes, I hate tanks) I stuck to scouts and decided to go level 3 Min Scout. Mainly because i've been fooling around with NK fits on my gal scout and the bonus to gal scouts is really **** since the EWar changes combined with heavies surviving a blow of my charged proto NK's. So more of a pub fun fit. Only had time for two quick matches and they were not on the best maps for NK's. As often happens with NK's my KDR took a bit of a hit. Initial Impressions: Like the speed I got with two kincats (slightly faster then my gal scout fitting); however, the big diff is I really notice the stamina recovery versus the gal scout. Didn't really notice the diff of not having a complex dampener on (gal scout has one) but that could have been who i was fighting. I did get scanned once which was annoying. I've heard everyone *** about PG issues, but WTF it's worse then I thought if you want to have KC's on it and you're running an advanced dropsuit with proto NK's. Fitting it was really hard. Debating only having one KC and putting a Complex dampener on to free up some PG. But i like the speed with a NK fit. (despite it getting me killed more often then not) If I remember back to my impressions picking up Minja again after running cal/gal scout pre-1.8 - yeah the stamina thing is the most noticeable I would say. Of course the NK damage too - you won't often OHK a heavy - I think even a basic heavy can easily run over 1150 HP (charged NKs, both swipes hit). But most other suits are going down. I run advanced mostly too - I have three fits, one has 2x KC, one has KC + PD, one has KC + Ferros. Yeah I can't get enough of the speed either - 2x KC is my favourite as long as not getting scanned too often. Yeah, the stamina recovery diff and PG issue seems to be the main differences for sure. I guess it made me finally take off that damn cloak though, no way i was going to be able to fit it. I hate the cloak in it's current form yet still have it on tons of fits (who knows why). Edit: I think i have the cloak because once in a while it's useful (climbing ladders, crossing big open spaces, getting me killed when i have it out yet am not cloaked but for some reason can't change back to a weapon). That and for the life of me I can't figure out what to replace it with. Put an advanced active scanner on one fitting but never really liked them. I've doubled down on RE on some fits Others I put a rep tool for random acts of repping MOAR Ladders
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6605	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:48:00 - [29193] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Put an advanced active scanner on one fitting but never really liked them. Proto Scanners are pretty good; the rest not so much. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game RUST415 314	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:15:00 - [29194] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Too much to list, Murt! It is all archived here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1775 Would recommend getting your boots on the ground and seeing things firsthand :-) Some things to look out for: Suits * Assaults received massive buffs and are presently most popular suit; MN Assault is FoTM. * Scouts were nerfed a few times and are (thank goodness) no longer FoTM. * Heavies can still insta-spin and HMGs are push-button wins against untanked Scouts (so bring REs). * Commandos are still the worst suit; Logis (especially Gal) are better than Logis are willing to admit. * Grenades are now 2 instead of 3. I hate that Min Assault is FOTM, that suit is going to get a whack eventually & unfortunately. Fun suit though especially with a Complex Damp & RE's I think every Logi that has a Gal Logi knows that they are a very powerful asset & I rarely use mine as I feel a little dirty afterwards . My biggest concern with this suit atm is its use in a very good team, they can pretty much permascan everything. So even older & newer players struggle against that. I was requested to use it in a PC because of the number of scouts etc etc & as long as I could stay alive we pretty much shut down that game, the only balance if any is my proto gal perma scan suit costs 220k isk. Still is dirty though just my opinion. But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1137	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:18:00 - [29195] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Put an advanced active scanner on one fitting but never really liked them. Proto Scanners are pretty good; the rest not so much. I know, but you can't really fit a proto scanner on an advanced scout well. Plus the ISK diff. Nanite Injectors are useless now, I have them on some fits but no one ever asks for a needle. Drop Uplinks, I run, despite the fitting costs. No sense having two though. Remote Explosives, I have always sucked with, plus with bandwidth and me running Drop Uplinks doesn't make sense to use with an advanced suit. Repair Tool, not so great on a low HP suit (draws too much fire). Active Scanners, meh, as I said before if not proto. Nanohives, bandwidth issues with Drop Uplinks. Overlord of Broman
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5852	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:20:00 - [29196] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: From Rattati's Big Board: Added Feb 3rd: combat record. - basically achievements like "heavies killed" Added Today: active dampener - cloak without cloaking, just dampening ** YEAH How long have I been going on about that ** YEAH I remember mentioning it back when cloaks were introduced. I also remember Appia ridiculing it. Sounds like a good idea to me. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5852	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:24:00 - [29197] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Nanite Injectors are useless now, I have them on some fits but no one ever asks for a needle. What? Plenty of people request pickup. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 187	Posted - 2015.02.11 19:39:00 - [29198] - Quote Boots on the ground and not much has changed from what I can see. Co-ordination wins games The Leviathan has Awoken and it hungers Scout with an Ion Pistol
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9807	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:03:00 - [29199] - Quote Spademan wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: From Rattati's Big Board: Added Feb 3rd: combat record. - basically achievements like "heavies killed" Added Today: active dampener - cloak without cloaking, just dampening ** YEAH How long have I been going on about that ** YEAH I remember mentioning it back when cloaks were introduced. I also remember Appia ridiculing it. Sounds like a good idea to me. I've wanted it for awhile. My hopes is that its cheaper fitting wise than the cloak. Then I can run 1 damp, 2 speed and an active dampener huehuehue Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1140	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:14:00 - [29200] - Quote Spademan wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Nanite Injectors are useless now, I have them on some fits but no one ever asks for a needle. What? Plenty of people request pickup. I know I almost always do. However, whenever I have one on my fitting no-one ever requests needles. Not sure if i'm just always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Squad mates will, but random blueberries almost never do anymore. Overlord of Broman

voidfaction Nos Nothi 1129	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:25:00 - [29201] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Spademan wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Nanite Injectors are useless now, I have them on some fits but no one ever asks for a needle. What? Plenty of people request pickup. I know I almost always do. However, whenever I have one on my fitting no-one ever requests needles. Not sure if i'm just always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Squad mates will, but random blueberries almost never do anymore. Only time I ask for a revive is if I know there is no enemy around that is going to just kill me as soon as i am and in a suit that cost more than 30k isk. In other words like never. I use death as a way to move around the map, change fittings, or more ammo. I can find plenty of uplinks to spawn all over but never can find hives to fill up on ammo and tanks like to destroy the supply depot.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7775	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:30:00 - [29202] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Something I noticed while I played last week, I never saw Manus Peak. Did that map get taken out of circulation? It was a horrible map, and I am happy its gone. Was that announced somewhere that I missed or was this a stealth change? It's still there. Though, it's kinda unremarkable since they flattened the Peak. I started thinking after I played that new 3 pt (objective) map how much I hate 3 pt maps, then I tried to think of the last time I played Manus, and couldn't. While I took a big break for the most part, I played a lot last week and never saw it once. Not Dom or Skirm. @ Murt. Some interesting notes that were left out were that we have had 3 actual patches (vs thinking we never were going to get any again) and as of Feb 3 are playing Warlords 1.0 Not Chromosome 1.X. @ Active Dampeners I don't know how to feel about these. On the one hand, I hate the cloak, and this will now give me something to run on my dampening fits to beat those scans so I don't have to fit the fuxing clack. On the other, a big reason I still used it was for its dampening, and this all but spells doom for its viability. I may, depending on fitting costs, run and Adv Cloak and Active Damp for my hacking suit, but I will certainly be taking the cloak off my max dampened fit if the decrease is significant enough. Here is the question though... Will the active damp have the same delays of the cloak? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy 25	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:32:00 - [29203] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: What's up guys? It's been 10 months but I'm back! Time to update and get back to scouting. What's changed? Min scouts are still somewhat obsolete, Cal scout is no longer really op with scan frenzy, bonus given to Amarr, amarr scout still bad, gal scout still easy mode Yeah. Oh, and MIn Assault is FOTM because it is as fast as a scout with more fitting capabilities TritusX
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6608	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:38:00 - [29204] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Here is the question though... Will the active damp have the same delays of the cloak? I'm thinking this will be a "combat cloak" geared more toward assault-styled play. No delays on activation/deactivation; short effect duration; moderate cooldown. As there's no change in visibility, you'll be able to "click it on" then kill for a 'bit with a lessened profile. Thi will give dampened Assaults the ability to briefly duck GA Logi scans and pull off a flank attack. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7776	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:48:00 - [29205] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Here is the question though... Will the active damp have the same delays of the cloak? I'm thinking this will be a "combat cloak" geared more toward assault-styled play. No delays on activation/deactivation; short effect duration; moderate cooldown. It won't be a "Scout toy"; rather, it'll be something anyone can fit. As there's no change in visibility, you'll be able to "click it on" then do whatever you want for a 'bit (including killing) with a lessened profile. This will give dampened Assaults the ability to briefly duck GA Logi scans to pull off a flank attack or push into CQC range. So allowing Assaults to further infringe on our roles? That I don't care for. Maybe if we didn't already have our EWAR changes, but considering how close they are already to outscouting us, I don't like where this may lead. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1142	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:53:00 - [29206] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Here is the question though... Will the active damp have the same delays of the cloak? I'm thinking this will be a "combat cloak" geared more toward assault-styled play. No delays on activation/deactivation; short effect duration; moderate cooldown. It won't be a "Scout toy"; rather, it'll be something anyone can fit. As there's no change in visibility, you'll be able to "click it on" then do whatever you want for a 'bit (including killing) with a lessened profile. This will give dampened Assaults the ability to briefly duck GA Logi scans to pull off a flank attack or push into CQC range. I like everything you said except the bit about assaults. If we have to have a dumb role bonus as a scout I want it to apply to the new dampening cloak. Let the others fit it at much higher cost. Maybe better yet, reduce cloak fittings and let others see how useless they can be currently. Then they can give us a useful role bonus! Overlord of Broman
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6608	Posted - 2015.02.11 20:53:00 - [29207] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Here is the question though... Will the active damp have the same delays of the cloak? I'm thinking this will be a "combat cloak" geared more toward assault-styled play. No delays on activation/deactivation; short effect duration; moderate cooldown. It won't be a "Scout toy"; rather, it'll be something anyone can fit. As there's no change in visibility, you'll be able to "click it on" then do whatever you want for a 'bit (including killing) with a lessened profile. This will give dampened Assaults the ability to briefly duck GA Logi scans to pull off a flank attack or push into CQC range. So allowing Assaults to further infringe on our roles? That I don't care for. Maybe if we didn't already have our EWAR changes, but considering how close they are already to outscouting us, I don't like where this may lead. All wild speculation. If this is how it's going to play out, though, I hope his hitpoint/movement tradeoff model is put into place in advance of it. That'd keep us safe from role infringement. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
mollerz 6122	Posted - 2015.02.11 21:01:00 - [29208] - Quote As far as roles- I kind of wish they had dev'd it so that people were more interested in being a race vs a role. each race should have overlap- not each role. It would incentivize roleplaying because FOTMs would be owned by every race until it was balanced. 2-3 flavors of scout/assault/etc per race, with only a single small bonus at most for disparity sake based on some sort of specialization. As it is now, and shall forever be, with this system there will always be a FOTM resulting in this merry go round of balancing that takes away work/effort from where it could go.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6610	Posted - 2015.02.11 21:11:00 - [29209] - Quote mollerz wrote: As far as roles- I kind of wish they had dev'd it so that people were more interested in being a race vs a role. each race should have overlap- not each role. It would incentivize roleplaying because FOTMs would be owned by every race until it was balanced. 2-3 flavors of scout/assault/etc per race, with only a single small bonus at most for disparity sake based on some sort of specialization. As it is now, and shall forever be, with this system there will always be a FOTM resulting in this merry go round of balancing that takes away work/effort from where it could go. Usage rates are trending more and more toward uniformity. Click on Dropsuits If we could somehow split the difference between Assaults and Commandos, we'd have a pretty tight cluster of datapoints right now. Far tighter than its ever been. Yes, there is some working in circles, but nerf/buff cycles have taken on a different quality as with each tuning we've come closer to normalized usage rates (rather than further away). Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6741	Posted - 2015.02.11 21:43:00 - [29210] - Quote Okay Confirmed Packed RE are Useless no damage wastes of ISKGÇª this needs to be fixed Also Breach Flaylock does not give +60 for Headshots MOAR Ladders

Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 191	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:01:00 - [29211] - Quote So, having returned and played for 2 hours I decided to invest my skill points. ALL core skills to 5, Hacking to 5, and I'm now out of points. Still fiddling around with weapons but I've tried most militia ones now. Great results with the Plasma Cannon and Magsec. Sniping hasn't changed, nor have knives. I still need to test the Rail Rifle and Bolt Pistol I can confirm that it feels good to be back The Leviathan has Awoken and it hungers Scout with an Ion Pistol
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5858	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:07:00 - [29212] - Quote Sniping changed hugely, 300m max range, beefed up damage and headshot, zoom changes across the board. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7777	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:27:00 - [29213] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: So, having returned and played for 2 hours I decided to invest my skill points. ALL core skills to 5, Hacking to 5, and I'm now out of points. Still fiddling around with weapons but I've tried most militia ones now. Great results with the Plasma Cannon and Magsec. Sniping hasn't changed, nor have knives. I still need to test the Rail Rifle and Bolt Pistol I can confirm that it feels good to be back EDIT: When I say it hasn't changed, I mean the techniques involved: not buff/nerf Best thing you could do is to get those skills maxed. Try a hacking fit, its lots of fun and helps get WP even when getting stomped. PLC is lots of fun. Also try the Flaylock, they go great with knives (though I don't know there is a MLT variety). Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Murt Lesp Leviathan Battalion 192	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:30:00 - [29214] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: So, having returned and played for 2 hours I decided to invest my skill points. ALL core skills to 5, Hacking to 5, and I'm now out of points. Still fiddling around with weapons but I've tried most militia ones now. Great results with the Plasma Cannon and Magsec. Sniping hasn't changed, nor have knives. I still need to test the Rail Rifle and Bolt Pistol I can confirm that it feels good to be back EDIT: When I say it hasn't changed, I mean the techniques involved: not buff/nerf Best thing you could do is to get those skills maxed. Try a hacking fit, its lots of fun and helps get WP even when getting stomped. PLC is lots of fun. Also try the Flaylock, they go great with knives (though I don't know there is a MLT variety). There is a militia Flaylock, but I had already bought lv1 of it and knives. I will try a hacking fit out. Gal scout with some further damp and hack modules? A reliable weapon to ensure survival The Leviathan has Awoken and it hungers Scout with an Ion Pistol
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7777	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:36:00 - [29215] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Murt Lesp wrote: So, having returned and played for 2 hours I decided to invest my skill points. ALL core skills to 5, Hacking to 5, and I'm now out of points. Still fiddling around with weapons but I've tried most militia ones now. Great results with the Plasma Cannon and Magsec. Sniping hasn't changed, nor have knives. I still need to test the Rail Rifle and Bolt Pistol I can confirm that it feels good to be back EDIT: When I say it hasn't changed, I mean the techniques involved: not buff/nerf Best thing you could do is to get those skills maxed. Try a hacking fit, its lots of fun and helps get WP even when getting stomped. PLC is lots of fun. Also try the Flaylock, they go great with knives (though I don't know there is a MLT variety). There is a militia Flaylock, but I had already bought lv1 of it and knives. I will try a hacking fit out. Gal scout with some further damp and hack modules? A reliable weapon to ensure survival Dampening is actually less important with the EWAR changes... So one Complex Damp should be enough on a Gal Scout. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1430	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:25:00 - [29216] - Quote My first ever public Youtube vid. Not much to show, just a nice moment involving my Minja and a drive-by heavy in a LAV - A Quafe one no less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRXjahFfB1Y Sorry about the sound - I had to cut out my crazy maniacal shouting and laughing as I was testing out live narrating and ... well I come off like a total jerk lol. Must work on video etiquette.
mollerz 6124	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:26:00 - [29217] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: mollerz wrote: As far as roles- I kind of wish they had dev'd it so that people were more interested in being a race vs a role. each race should have overlap- not each role. It would incentivize roleplaying because FOTMs would be owned by every race until it was balanced. 2-3 flavors of scout/assault/etc per race, with only a single small bonus at most for disparity sake based on some sort of specialization. As it is now, and shall forever be, with this system there will always be a FOTM resulting in this merry go round of balancing that takes away work/effort from where it could go. Usage rates are trending more and more toward uniformity. Click on Dropsuits and you'll see what I mean. If we could somehow split the difference between Assaults and Commandos, we'd have a pretty tight cluster of datapoints right now. Far tighter than its ever been. Yes, there is some working in circles, but nerf/buff cycles have taken on a different quality; each round of tuning has brought us closer to uniformity. hmm.. I'd like to see the breakdown of racial suit within each dropsuit class. But at any rate, the graph just seems to illustrate that there is a FOTM chasing crowd.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6613	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:39:00 - [29218] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: My first ever public Youtube vid 33HP remaining!? Nice! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1431	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:42:00 - [29219] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: My first ever public Youtube vid 33HP remaining!? Nice! lol i hadn't even noticed that. i was trying to go down in a blaze of glory. just assumed the explosion missed me.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6616	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:58:00 - [29220] - Quote Newbro MinScout seeking input downstairs (Advice Center). Do we have any Knifing Manuals around here? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley



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