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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1280
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Posted - 2014.08.26 07:54:00 -
[20851] - Quote
And the circling continues.
We'll bang, OK?
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3276
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Posted - 2014.08.26 09:17:00 -
[20852] - Quote
mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
With the aCR you don't even need to flank, the other guy could even flank you. The aCR doesn't care, it'll kill them anyway. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the rail, but the aCR is far more common and a hell of a lot more lethal.
And ScR? Really? I barely see 1 a game.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3277
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Posted - 2014.08.26 09:19:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:So, have any of you seen that picture on the internet about "How to improve your instant ramen?"
Well I took a leap of faith and tried it. Worked out great.
2 packages instant ramen
2 eggs
1 tsp ground black pepper
Half a handful of freshly chopped green onion (I have these in our herb garden outside)
Splash of milk
Handful of chopped beef
Oh my god. Gonna try making my own broth and cooking my own noodles next. This is the way to eat ramen.
If I ever come across a place that sells ramen that isn't a restaurant I'll be sure to try it. (I'm not sure if those places exist here.)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1280
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Posted - 2014.08.26 10:06:00 -
[20854] - Quote
Spademan wrote:mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
With the aCR you don't even need to flank, the other guy could even flank you. The aCR doesn't care, it'll kill them anyway. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the rail, but the aCR is far more common and a hell of a lot more lethal. And ScR? Really? I barely see 1 a game.
+1 I have both. General preference for RR as I hate firing and discovering they're just a little out of range.
But the aCR is currently coming out on top and is the one I encounter most often weilded by protostompers.
We'll bang, OK?
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
400
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Posted - 2014.08.26 11:26:00 -
[20855] - Quote
mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
In a FIELD of RRs. Out in open ground yeah the RR will shine. How well is that RR when forced into aCR optimal range? The aCR will shine and most of the maps favor that range and is why it seems OP.
The ScR is only really good vs scouts or shield tanked caldari. Whoever thinks it's OP is probably a scout or a caldari.
I think they all seem pretty well balanced as they are all effective when used at the right range vs the right targets.
When in my EWAR fitting they all kill me almost instantly but when in shotgun or NK range they seem to die just as quick vs me (when i'm able to hit them as I don't have the reflexes of you youngsters).
double shield tanked I think I do well vs RR and aCR with my AR when under 40m.
vs ScR my single reactive is still no help.
This is all from a pub point of view. If PC is all aCR I would guess it is for the same reasons favored in pubs.
Best dmg profile and maps favor its optimal range for engagements.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4468
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:02:00 -
[20856] - Quote
@ Shotgun Bonus
One of the arguments against improving the Schwarma Launcher involves the Commando bonus. Pilots point to this bonus in attempt to justify doing nothing about the weapon's underperformance. I'm concerned that a similar bonus for Shotguns would (among other bad things) give the anti-shotgun community similar leverage.
I'd much prefer for weapons to balanced against one another directly, rather than balanced in terms of "good when equipped by suit X, not good when not equipped by X".
Not to mention, a combat-based bonus is guaranteed to attract the mouthbreathing unscoutly slayer types ... we're still cleaning boogers off the walls from our last open house.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3278
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:26:00 -
[20857] - Quote
I think it's safe to say the consensus on a shotgun bonus is "no"
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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voidfaction
Nos Nothi
400
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:38:00 -
[20858] - Quote
Spademan wrote:I think it's safe to say the consensus on a shotgun bonus is "no"
Ok fine ill take a tac-ar bonus then, lol
5% less kick when ADS per level would work for me. I don't think that would be OP
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3280
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:40:00 -
[20859] - Quote
voidfaction wrote:Spademan wrote:I think it's safe to say the consensus on a shotgun bonus is "no" Ok fine ill take a tac-ar bonus then, lol 5% less kick when ADS per level would work for me. I don't think that would be OP
Why not an Ion Pistol bonus? 100% extra damage per level on the charge shot. (Totally not op guys)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2176
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:47:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:LeGoose wrote:Just an FYI, this isn't going to go over any better here than it did in GD. A proto min scout with 2 complex ramps and a proto cloak can avoid all scans except for the gal logi focused scans. Ayup. And when I start seeing "You have been scanned," GalLogis start getting stabbed until I don't see that anymore. I actually had to do that in PC tonight. Gal Logi's must be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
*Me chasing down a heavy with NK's*
*10 meters away and sees Gallogi*
*Goes after Gallogi instead*
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2176
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:48:00 -
[20861] - Quote
Bayeth Mal wrote:Spademan wrote:mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
With the aCR you don't even need to flank, the other guy could even flank you. The aCR doesn't care, it'll kill them anyway. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the rail, but the aCR is far more common and a hell of a lot more lethal. And ScR? Really? I barely see 1 a game. +1 I have both. General preference for RR as I hate firing and discovering they're just a little out of range. But the aCR is currently coming out on top and is the one I encounter most often weilded by protostompers.
Thats cause you don't have to aim with it....its literally super easy mode
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
1253
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:52:00 -
[20862] - Quote
Spademan wrote:I think it's safe to say the consensus on a shotgun bonus is "no"
Oh come on! We Gallente Scouts should totally get a 25% dmg bonus to shotguns! 
This SCOTTY has Super Cow Powers.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6705
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:23:00 -
[20863] - Quote
Right-wing Extremist wrote:"You have been scanned." What!? NO NO NO NO NO! *stabstab* I have NOT been scanned!!! 
I'm imagining some gal logi walking around with a Min Scout on his shoulders, screaming NO NO NO NO as he stabs him over and over.
Arms flailing the entire time.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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killdz 102
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
12
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:40:00 -
[20864] - Quote
any way i can make a good scout thats easy on the sp and isk?
War never changes
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4473
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:45:00 -
[20865] - Quote
Why are we rethinking the current bonus again?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4473
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:58:00 -
[20866] - Quote
killdz 102 wrote:any way i can make a good scout thats easy on the sp and isk?
Scouts are relatively SP intensive by comparison to assault or heavy. For instance, if you intend to use cloak, you'll need a level 4 or 5 scout suit just to fit cloak, and heavy investment in electronics to part with your overhead red chevron.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
3288
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Posted - 2014.08.26 15:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Why are we rethinking the current bonus again?
Some guy, liledz or something, made a thread in I think GD suggesting a change. Didn't go down well there and came here to suggest it.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
840
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:23:00 -
[20868] - Quote
Spademan wrote:mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
With the aCR you don't even need to flank, the other guy could even flank you. The aCR doesn't care, it'll kill them anyway. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the rail, but the aCR is far more common and a hell of a lot more lethal. And ScR? Really? I barely see 1 a game. I used to get killed by the BK-42.
Now my death screens all say "Kaalakiota Rail Rifle", "Viziam Scrambler Rifle" or "Something Something Burst Heavy Machine Gun".
EDIT: OH, and the latter two are OHKs.
Jaceon Pale-eye.
Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG.
Unless Mal says no :(
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2183
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:33:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Spademan wrote:mollerz wrote:I don't get how people can say A/CRs are OP in anyways compared to the SCR or RR.
The ******* RR is waaay better. With a Kalalalalalaa I can flank someone in a proto cal scout and then just start drilling. The CR range is just too insufficient in a field of RRs.
With the aCR you don't even need to flank, the other guy could even flank you. The aCR doesn't care, it'll kill them anyway. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with the rail, but the aCR is far more common and a hell of a lot more lethal. And ScR? Really? I barely see 1 a game. I used to get killed by the BK-42. Now my death screens all say "Kaalakiota Rail Rifle", "Viziam Scrambler Rifle" or "Something Something Burst Heavy Machine Gun". EDIT: OH, and the latter two are OHKs.
The Bk is only good cause of its fast RoF...it allows for ultimate spray and pray while allowing the user to maintain a very tight strafe
The Viziam is just straight up overpowered in CQC cause of the ability to spam shots with laser (hehe) accuracy
Burst HMG...dont get me started
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
1633
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:52:00 -
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I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating.
What's with the shotgun is OP talk?
I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle.
My Youtube
Biomassed Podcast
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:19:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating. What's with the shotgun is OP talk?I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle.
Im really inconsistent with the shotty. On a good map like the cargo hub I can drop 40 + kills but on manus I sometimes struggle to go positive. |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
1634
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:32:00 -
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I struggle because of hit detection. It just frustrates me to the point of rage quitting. So I stopped using it.
Besides I can't shoot the broad side of a barn anymore so I stick with knifing bitches.
My Youtube
Biomassed Podcast
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noob spaceman
Nos Nothi
153
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:55:00 -
[20873] - Quote
My two pence on the shotgun thing.
the shotgun is a piece of ****.
its like 1.3- 1.4 pre hot fix in its hit detection with shots missing on target and shots that should never have landed counting as head shots. The fickle nature of it makes shotgun rain largely underwhelming and targets only half with in the reticule are even more fickle. I have had shots landin left or right of my reticule, even more so in fast paced raptor jumping. More frustrating are theshots clearly landing but having no, zero, nada, bumfucknopebrah effect on the bastard in front of me 
the.... bonus... just wow.
now dont get your knickers in a twist. More damage? Yaaay! I like more damage. Damage is good, damage means when my shots land I beat your ass like your grandfarther did.
But wheres my rof bonus?
woooo more shield damage is great but I didn't spend all that sp for prof 5 for more shield damage. I spent that for higher dps and higher rate of fire. I spent that 3+ million sp on my shotgun for that bonus not this. Bitter vet mode right there but ehhhh.
Now.... the big elephant in the room. The mother ******* cloak.
Il get this out of the way. I despise the cloak so this bit you can ignore. Go outside, make a coffee or beat one off. Okay my rant mode engages.... NOWS.
Its a broken, stupid, needless, pointless piece of equipment. its made scoutin not a niche role but easy mode at the highest level. We are no longer the face or soul of hard mode. We were what nyain san abused to the tenth degree. we are what became the common suit of choice. In pc and pubs. Invisibility in general unless built into the game from the start and has very clear counters and not just stuck on half way through is just a bad idea. More so without abilities to terminate the invisibility not just paint a little red shape on the tacnet.
Anyways oh hi welcome back back to the shotty.
The cloak is glossin over alot of problems with the shotgun with quite a few putting it down for a rifle or nks. My self included and with out the cloak I believe a large amount of us would be angry at how our trusted baby is performing.
So before any changes to bonus's can be made or discussed we should have it performing at 1.5 levels and see how well it performs.
The correctly spelt toon.
still a noob.
Just less hair and leopard skin.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4478
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:11:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating. What's with the shotgun is OP talk?I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle.
@ OP Shotgun
I suspect he's referring to usage statistics. I don't understand the cause or appeal, but we can't argue with his findings. Wonder what the Breach Shotgun looks like.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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killdz 102
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
12
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:killdz 102 wrote:any way i can make a good scout thats easy on the sp and isk? Scouts are relatively SP intensive by comparison to assault or heavy. For instance, if you intend to use cloak, you'll need a level 4 or 5 scout suit just to fit cloak, and heavy investment in electronics to part with your overhead red chevron. Is your merc new or are you cross training ?
im a full scout right now but i was just wondering how i could use a cheep suit and make a lot of money with not much isk or sp and when needed pull out my advanced scout
War never changes
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Murchen
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:21:00 -
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I seem to have forgotten my keys...
The coney frae th' north.
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1290
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:22:00 -
[20877] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating. What's with the shotgun is OP talk?I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle. @ OP Shotgun I suspect he's referring to usage statistics. I don't understand the cause or appeal, but we can't argue with his findings. Wonder what the Breach Shotgun looks like.
This is what I'm referring to as well. It seems (anecdotally) that the SG has become a FotM weapon. And I think one of the reasons is the firing from cloak which still hasn't been fixed.
We'll bang, OK?
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noob spaceman
Nos Nothi
155
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:26:00 -
[20878] - Quote
Bayeth Mal wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating. What's with the shotgun is OP talk?I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle. @ OP Shotgun I suspect he's referring to usage statistics. I don't understand the cause or appeal, but we can't argue with his findings. Wonder what the Breach Shotgun looks like. This is what I'm referring to as well. It seems (anecdotally) that the SG has become a FotM weapon. And I think one of the reasons is the firing from cloak which still hasn't been fixed.
GIVE HIM A COOKIE NOW.
The correctly spelt toon.
still a noob.
Just less hair and leopard skin.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3547
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:43:00 -
[20879] - Quote
killdz 102 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:killdz 102 wrote:any way i can make a good scout thats easy on the sp and isk? Scouts are relatively SP intensive by comparison to assault or heavy. For instance, if you intend to use cloak, you'll need a level 4 or 5 scout suit just to fit cloak, and heavy investment in electronics to part with your overhead red chevron. Is your merc new or are you cross training ? im a full scout right now but i was just wondering how i could use a cheep suit and make a lot of money with not much isk or sp and when needed pull out my advanced scout
I have always run standard, except of a period just after FF in which I didn't give a crap about isk.
It is definitely easier to run standard suits the more SP you have, because of fitting reasons.
I still run my proto knives on my M-1, but most other things are at standard.
If you want to make isk, ambush is the way to go.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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killdz 102
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
12
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:46:00 -
[20880] - Quote
think i will run my tac light sniper when i get bored of the knives
War never changes
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