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One Eyed King wrote:

noob cavman wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

noob cavman wrote:

Im in the jolly camp on the cloak.

Please don't advocate a blanket removal on cloak when not every cloaking situation is a problem.

But we were able to scout even in the era of perma scan scanner's. we were able to scout in the era of the auto aim bot. Scouting is not and should not be about a piece of equipment that is still to this day is broken as balls. You would still be shot at 100 meters with out the cloak.
I have never been a fan of the cloak. Its a bad mechanic. You may run it how its ment to be run but many still abuse the piece of ****.
I would rather have my shotgun working correctly over the cloak glossing over its bad hit detection.

Were you running minmatar?

Since the advent of the cloak, my random deaths from being spotted while circumventing the battlefield have fallen dramatically.

It still happens on occasion, because the cloak is not perfectly invisible, but that is fine with me. If someone happens to be paying attention out in the open and take me down, kudos to their awareness.

I agree there are still problems with the cloak, but I don't see why we can't adjust the cloak AND fix the shotgun. Why should we have to choose?

Give equipment and weapons 1 second before being able to be used after decloak. I have no problem with that.

And all hit detection should be fixed, not just on the shotgun, but wherever it arises. That seems most reasonable.

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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3549	Posted - 2014.08.26 19:52:00 - [20881] - Quote killdz 102 wrote: think i will run my tac light sniper when i get bored of the knives How does one get bored with Knives? I am not understanding. Also, I have to give props to iliel who was willing to accept information when it was demonstrated their info was off. We don't see many of those. You can always tell a Millford Minja
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1173	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:12:00 - [20882] - Quote Cloak OP, Nerf Cloak, Remove Cloak -Fix SG XD J0LLY is a Streaker
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1293	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:21:00 - [20883] - Quote To be clear, I'm a cloak user, and I think its good and has its place, but the ability to fire from cloak is a huge issue for me. It has delegitimised shotgunning for me. Its the redline sniper of shotgunning. We'll bang, OK?
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1779	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:25:00 - [20884] - Quote I am in the jolly camp on the cloak. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3554	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:38:00 - [20885] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I am in the jolly camp on the cloak. But then people can spot me trying to run from 100 m out and spam whatever they are holding to kill me before I can even find cover. There are many places where cover is non existent. Please don't advocate a blanket removal on cloak when not every cloaking situation is a problem. You can always tell a Millford Minja
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1779	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:48:00 - [20886] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: [quote=noob cavman Im in the jolly camp on the cloak. Please don't advocate a blanket removal on cloak when not every cloaking situation is a problem.[/quote] But we were able to scout even in the era of perma scan scanner's. we were able to scout in the era of the auto aim bot. Scouting is not and should not be about a piece of equipment that is still to this day is broken as balls. You would still be shot at 100 meters with out the cloak. I have never been a fan of the cloak. Its a bad mechanic. You may run it how its ment to be run but many still abuse the piece of ****. I would rather have my shotgun working correctly over the cloak glossing over its bad hit detection. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3554	Posted - 2014.08.26 20:58:00 - [20887] - Quote noob cavman wrote: One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: Im in the jolly camp on the cloak. Please don't advocate a blanket removal on cloak when not every cloaking situation is a problem. But we were able to scout even in the era of perma scan scanner's. we were able to scout in the era of the auto aim bot. Scouting is not and should not be about a piece of equipment that is still to this day is broken as balls. You would still be shot at 100 meters with out the cloak. I have never been a fan of the cloak. Its a bad mechanic. You may run it how its ment to be run but many still abuse the piece of ****. I would rather have my shotgun working correctly over the cloak glossing over its bad hit detection. Were you running minmatar? Since the advent of the cloak, my random deaths from being spotted while circumventing the battlefield have fallen dramatically. It still happens on occasion, because the cloak is not perfectly invisible, but that is fine with me. If someone happens to be paying attention out in the open and take me down, kudos to their awareness. I agree there are still problems with the cloak, but I don't see why we can't adjust the cloak AND fix the shotgun. Why should we have to choose? Give equipment and weapons 1 second before being able to be used after decloak. I have no problem with that. And all hit detection should be fixed, not just on the shotgun, but wherever it arises. That seems most reasonable. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3300	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:12:00 - [20888] - Quote Oh noob, I missed your rants. Last time I used the shotgun it felt pretty solid, I think this was 2-3 hotfixes ago though. I suppose I'll have to take the heavy+shotgun fit out to try it again. As soon as I'm able to take myself away from Jak and Daxter. That may not actually happen. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3300	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:15:00 - [20889] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: I am in the jolly camp on the cloak. But then people can spot me trying to run from 100 m out and spam whatever they are holding to kill me before I can even find cover. That already happens brah. Personally I use the cloak in city-ish/built up areas. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 405	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:19:00 - [20890] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Why are we rethinking the current bonus again? I'm not. Just stupid ideas I do want my range bonus back though.

noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1779	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:26:00 - [20891] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: Im in the jolly camp on the cloak. Please don't advocate a blanket removal on cloak when not every cloaking situation is a problem. But we were able to scout even in the era of perma scan scanner's. we were able to scout in the era of the auto aim bot. Scouting is not and should not be about a piece of equipment that is still to this day is broken as balls. You would still be shot at 100 meters with out the cloak. I have never been a fan of the cloak. Its a bad mechanic. You may run it how its ment to be run but many still abuse the piece of **. I would rather have my shotgun working correctly over the cloak glossing over its bad hit detection. Were you running minmatar? Since the advent of the cloak, my random deaths from being spotted while circumventing the battlefield have fallen dramatically. It still happens on occasion, because the cloak is not perfectly invisible, but that is fine with me. If someone happens to be paying attention out in the open and take me down, kudos to their awareness. I agree there are still problems with the cloak, but I don't see why we can't adjust the cloak AND fix the shotgun. Why should we have to choose? Give equipment and weapons 1 second before being able to be used after decloak. I have no problem with that. And all hit detection should be fixed, not just on the shotgun, but wherever it arises. That seems most reasonable. Yes I did run minja, I loved the minja as a more hit and run smash and grab suit over the more brawler style of the gal scout. Ran the minja with shotguns, knives and the gek. I had damp fits, speed, hp and codebreaker fits before the bonus was introduced. I will say the minja had the harder time over the gal in many ways but I will also say it was the funniest suit I had. I am not a cloak hater on dust alone im a hater of a cloak in games in general no mater the game if it has competitive mulitplayer. yes its a good tool for sneaky sneak but so many games including dust do a terrible job of blance on the damn thing that ruins tactics, ruins forward planning and just ruins the kill. The problem I also see with 1 second as with even a 1 second cool down is im already I'm your blind spot. One second is not gonna make a difference at all to me killing you. More so if the shotgun is fixed. if the shotgun is fixed before the cloak changes are in... well me in the arse and call me your *** the amount of bullshit buggery in pubs will go up by 10 fold. The cloak makes bad scouts look great and great scouts gods. we are not gods. We are face to the dirt balls to the wall with a mouth full of blood and broken teeth. I want hard mode back. I want to be a cowboy again and not a tale of broken mechanics. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3303	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:32:00 - [20892] - Quote noob cavman wrote: The cloak makes bad scouts look great and great scouts gods. we are not gods. We are face to the dirt balls to the wall with a mouth full of blood and broken teeth. I want hard mode back. I want to be a cowboy again and not a tale of broken mechanics. Sorry noob, but I really don't think cloaks turn lay people into ultra killers. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3558	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:33:00 - [20893] - Quote Spademan wrote: One Eyed King wrote: noob cavman wrote: I am in the jolly camp on the cloak. But then people can spot me trying to run from 100 m out and spam whatever they are holding to kill me before I can even find cover. That already happens brah. Personally I use the cloak in city-ish/built up areas. Not as often as it did pre 1.8, at least for me. I would say a quarter to a half of my deaths then were just from me trying to get to the enemy home point and hack the CRU, or something similar. I would run to the far edges of the map, but I was easily spotted, and Heavies with LAVs would just wreck me because they could drive up, mow me down, and drive off without me being able to hide or fight. I still use it in the city, but I generally run around the city cloaked as if I were uncloaked because of how much the shimmer pops, especially since cities tend to be darker. You can always tell a Millford Minja
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1780	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:40:00 - [20894] - Quote Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: The cloak makes bad scouts look great and great scouts gods. we are not gods. We are face to the dirt balls to the wall with a mouth full of blood and broken teeth. I want hard mode back. I want to be a cowboy again and not a tale of broken mechanics. Sorry noob, but I really don't think cloaks turn lay people into ultra killers. Then tell me how many slayer logis, assaults moved to the scout with the addition of the cloak? these people with little in ewar nor ran the suit before this apart from running the odd drangonfly fit. these I claim to be bad scouts. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 407	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:40:00 - [20895] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: I've never experienced deaths around corners in dust. But the burst hmg manages to do it all the time. Frustrating. What's with the shotgun is OP talk? I think the shotgun is still shite on a cracker. It really serves no purpose for me anymore. Fine rifles are much more consistent, what people don't realize is if they killed you with a shotgun, they would have killed you faster with a fine rifle. @ OP Shotgun I suspect he's referring to usage statistics. I don't understand the cause or appeal, but we can't argue with his findings. Wonder what the Breach Shotgun looks like. This is what I'm referring to as well. It seems (anecdotally) that the SG has become a FotM weapon. And I think one of the reasons is the firing from cloak which still hasn't been fixed. All the shotgun and NK scouts have forced me into using shotgun and I HATE using the shotgun. AR to me takes tactics, cloak, timing, range, cover, and flux to take out a heavy or I do the same only with SMG. With shotgun I just walk behind and Bang Bang and run to next target. vs other scouts its bang before they single shot bang me. no gun game just who sees who first and gets off the first shot most of the time.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3303	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:45:00 - [20896] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: The cloak makes bad scouts look great and great scouts gods. we are not gods. We are face to the dirt balls to the wall with a mouth full of blood and broken teeth. I want hard mode back. I want to be a cowboy again and not a tale of broken mechanics. Sorry noob, but I really don't think cloaks turn lay people into ultra killers. Then tell me how many slayer logis, assaults moved to the scout with the addition of the cloak? these people with little in ewar nor ran the suit before this apart from running the odd drangonfly fit. these I claim to be bad scouts. Because they could slap on plates to have comparable health to an assault because assault balance was left until the latest hotfix while all other suits received a pretty sizable buff but higher speed and better ewar and only used the cloak to give themselves the illusion of stealth? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 408	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:50:00 - [20897] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: The cloak makes bad scouts look great and great scouts gods. we are not gods. We are face to the dirt balls to the wall with a mouth full of blood and broken teeth. I want hard mode back. I want to be a cowboy again and not a tale of broken mechanics. Sorry noob, but I really don't think cloaks turn lay people into ultra killers. Then tell me how many slayer logis, assaults moved to the scout with the addition of the cloak? these people with little in ewar nor ran the suit before this apart from running the odd drangonfly fit. these I claim to be bad scouts. You want hard mode back then try using a tac-ar in a full ewar fitting < 300 eHP and not using a 1-2 hit kill shotgun or NK's
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4488	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:54:00 - [20898] - Quote While I very much enjoy nostalgia ... I'd prefer we make things right by tweaking mechanics as King is suggesting (i.e. add delay between cloak deactivation / weapon activation) rather than yank content on the basis of user preference or opinion. Someone put a lot of work into cloak design. That work was being done while we few waited for Dev hugs. I think it ill-advised to spit on helping hand. Polite and refined as British spit may be, it is still spit and likely unpleasant on hand. Let's not spit :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1782	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:56:00 - [20899] - Quote I can agree to disagree and not do a quill and post in gd XD I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4488	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:57:00 - [20900] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I can agree to disagree and not do a quill and post in gd XD It rhymes! It rhyyyyymes! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3306	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:59:00 - [20901] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: While I very much enjoy nostalgia ... I'd prefer we make things right by tweaking mechanics as King is suggesting (i.e. add delay between cloak deactivation / weapon activation) rather than yank content on the basis of user preference or opinion. Someone put a lot of work into cloak design. That work was being done while we few waited for Dev hugs. I think it ill-advised to spit on helping hand. Polite and refined as British spit may be, it is still spit :-) Let's not spit. I still say the cloak should of come with a bola-esque noise upon activation, but with more transparency, and an action delay. Oh well. Just you wait, when I'm rich I'll buy a development studio and make my own sci-fi mmo shooter. With Blackjack! And Hookers! I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 408	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:02:00 - [20902] - Quote Spademan wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: While I very much enjoy nostalgia ... I'd prefer we make things right by tweaking mechanics as King is suggesting (i.e. add delay between cloak deactivation / weapon activation) rather than yank content on the basis of user preference or opinion. Someone put a lot of work into cloak design. That work was being done while we few waited for Dev hugs. I think it ill-advised to spit on helping hand. Polite and refined as British spit may be, it is still spit :-) Let's not spit. I still say the cloak should of come with a bola-esque noise upon activation, but with more transparency, and an action delay. Oh well. Just you wait, when I'm rich I'll buy a development studio and make my own sci-fi mmo shooter. With Blackjack! And Hookers! sign me up for the alpha and beta testing when you add the Hookers.
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1782	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:05:00 - [20903] - Quote I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4489	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:06:00 - [20904] - Quote Spademan wrote: I still say the cloak should of come with: 1) More noise on activation/deactivation 2) Greater transparency (be less purple ... be less useless in dark mood) 3) More delay between decloak and doing sh*t 4) With Hookers. And Blackjack. Paraphrased and agreed 100% Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3306	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:07:00 - [20905] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. Hey, better than geordie. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Nos Nothi 411	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:09:00 - [20906] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. I don't care as long it supports Oculus Rift
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1787	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:10:00 - [20907] - Quote Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. Hey, better than geordie. You clearly never did the dirty with a scouse lass. you weren't there man! * 1000 yard stare into the distance* I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3307	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:14:00 - [20908] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. Hey, better than geordie. You clearly never did the dirty with a scouse lass. you weren't there man! * 1000 yard stare into the distance* I do hope you're not trying to suggest that a geordie would be preferable. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4493	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:43:00 - [20909] - Quote Charles EWAR updated to reflect bugged CalScout range vs intended CalScout range. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1789	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:46:00 - [20910] - Quote Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: Spademan wrote: noob cavman wrote: I demand the hookers to be scouse. Yes I am being vindictive and want you all to suffer. Hey, better than geordie. You clearly never did the dirty with a scouse lass. you weren't there man! * 1000 yard stare into the distance* I do hope you're not trying to suggest that a geordie would be preferable. I am. Dat scouse hurts your eyeballs. Also thankgod for rhino prime Iron skin so I could write this. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.



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