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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 04:29:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:
Focus people. We have serious bidness
When you get a chance, we need more eyes on this and this. The further we explore a contrarian perspective, the better we'll understand the issue at hand. I'd like to hear the thoughts of other knifers on what our brother Arkena is telling us.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1074
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Posted - 2014.08.09 04:31:00 -
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One thing about x-com that does make me laugh is that if the missions played out in real time they'd last about 2 minutes vs the 30 minutes for you ha.
We'll bang, OK?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.08.09 05:21:00 -
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**** power tripping stewardess cunnys. So happy to be on the ground. But god damn I hope this old crone bit ch has a stroke tonight. Or super fukn soon.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.08.09 06:28:00 -
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mollerz wrote:**** power tripping stewardess cunnys. So happy to be on the ground. But god damn I hope this old crone bit ch has a stroke tonight. Or super fukn soon.
Flight was good then 
KRRROOOOOOM
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.08.09 06:53:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:BAMM HAVOC wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote: JOLLY ROGER BEST YOU TUBER IN THE WORLD !! #justsaying anddd it Only took you 967 pages to find this thread. Was some1 driving down the threads in his LAV eating a bacon sammich and missed the General Discussion turnoff? XD
i had to find a random jolly post and comment on it ... didn't think youd find me 
and I don't eat and drive that's dangerous, I drink .....
BEER TIME !
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.09 07:35:00 -
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Matti
I received your letter. Thanks for looking after my Shottie. That thing only works half the time but it is *mine*. The courier that dropped my letter off seemed dazed and confused, like he'd just awoken from a 21,000 year hibernation. Odd.
Don't worry the guys will be back - I hear they're waiting for Charlie. He's here with me and was preparing to leave, but I've held him hostage and am coercing him into fixing my Shottie when he gets to you. Thing is he keeps saying it's impossible without a new motherboard. I told him to farking find one but he said it's not compatible with my suit. Bloody liar.
He did show me a new knife he made though. Says it's better than the old one; it looks a little longer and has had a power upgrade. It looks promising actually. He also showed me a new suit. It looks powerful, much more so than my old thing. I was tempted to remove the new HP module he installed on it, but apparently its locked in. Instead I just defaced it with the words "Scouts of 1.7 unite". I wonder if the cycle is about to continue.
Don't worry I will release him Soon.
Duncan
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.08.09 07:46:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:How did I do on the report, incidentally?
I might make a regular thing of this so I want it to be at least mildly entertaining.
Yeah did great!
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:31:00 -
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Just checked out Charlie patch notes. I apologise if this is obvious or has been covered, but looking at the Scout EWAR tab on the google doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/htmlview?sle=true#
Amarr
25% precision - can see other scouts by default
Caldari
50% scan range
15% profile - no advantage by default; hide easier with dampeners
Gallente
10% precision - no advantage by default; easier to see dampened scouts with PEs
15% profile - no advantage by default; hide easier with dampeners
Minmatar
no EWAR changes - can be seen by Amarr by default
Is this right? Base precision / profile dB is still 40 / 35?
Also looking at the 8% PRO sidearm damage mod - might try Pistol plus Knives again. Ran that during the Shinobi event - died a lot but hella fun. With 1-2 damage mods, might be interesting.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:42:00 -
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Lol Calscout with 50% scan range and 15% dampening.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Lol Calscout with 50% scan range and 15% dampening.
Trying not to comment before confirmed right by peers but.... I know, right?
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:05:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Lol Calscout with 50% scan range and 15% dampening.
Damned bastards have to steal all our stuff.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:39:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2301930#post2301930
Llast actually got the Scout class. He almost died though.
EDIT: A lot of people are getting oddly appropriate classes and I have no idea how.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2301930#post2301930
Llast actually got the Scout class. He almost died though.
EDIT: A lot of people are getting oddly appropriate classes and I have no idea how.
Y'know, if you're really having trouble with the name you could just use Mac until he gets the nickname.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:15:00 -
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no
you are awkwardname
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.09 13:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:
Focus people. We have serious bidness
When you get a chance, we need more eyes on this and this. The further we explore a contrarian perspective, the better we'll understand the issue at hand. I'd like to hear the thoughts of other knifers on what our brother Arkena is telling us.
I haven't knifed much for a while, but it's always been difficult. Part of that is when mercs backpedal. You need to close the gap fast if one opened up to stay alive. I think if you don't get the OHK (which relies on a combination of hit detection, landing both blades, and mercs that don't stay still), *and* they've got a sighter on you and aren't rotating and strafing wildly to get you in their sights, you're probably better off switching to whatever other weapon it is you're running, coz you ain't gonna catch em.
Here's what someone else thinks, though not related to knives, it is related to the mechanic.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2301934#post2301934
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
1537
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Posted - 2014.08.09 13:40:00 -
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A delta of less than a second probably won't be noticeable. But I think it will help combined with all the other changes.
They could buff walk speed of all scouts instead but that doesn't fix the problem of bad movement mechanics. I would venture to say most games backward movement is almost half or less. Changing it to 90% won't make hardly a difference. I remember when they changed strafed speed yo 90% and I didn't notice a thing.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
1537
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Posted - 2014.08.09 13:46:00 -
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My solution would be much more involved. The problem is that we have several different classes and they all have different speeds. Balancing that is difficult. What would be required would be to go back and tweak all the speeds so circle strafing isn't such an easy mechanic.
You need heavys yo be able to actually move. And you need scouts to have the chance of dodging bullets but remaining squishy.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.08.09 13:54:00 -
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So Paul Mc Cartney is doing the theme song for Destiny.
Is that where all the money went?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:02:00 -
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Looking back at my previous posts about knifing, I wonder if I was clear enough.
Let me try and clarify, in case that's needed:
Reducing backpedal speed won't matter that much because people will still bunnyhop all over the place unpredictably. It's not possible to stick to a bunnyhopping target perfectly with knives, they're just too short ranged.
I have this on both ends of the knives. When I'm knifing, I have the most problem with targets who bunnyhop about rather than just backpedal. When I'm getting attacked by a knifer, the first thing I do is bunnyhop.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1079
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:09:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Lol Calscout with 50% scan range and 15% dampening. Damned bastards have to steal all our stuff.
Were you guys here when Ratty was talking to us about it?
His logic was fairly straight forward. Bonuses need to take into account the slot layout of the suit.
I forget what page but he listed the basic principles he was working towards.
One of them was that every scout should be able to beat all scans if they fill all their lows with Damps and have a Proto cloak on. With the exception of Gallente who can get away with just all lows being Damps.
Caldari and Amarr will be the closest to an Assault suit still as their bonuses apply to the modules it has the least of, thus encouraging it to fill the others with tank, which fits the lore I guess.
While I still don't like the idea of anybody having passive precision this seems to be the best we're going to get (I miss the days of Scout v Scout being a blind fight)
Not that it matters, I turn on my PS3 about once a month now let alone play Dust.
We'll bang, OK?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:14:00 -
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Sure, it's fine for all scouts to be able to evade all scans in theory.
But doing that and getting a very, very high strength range bonus?
Look at the Galscout. It has its primary dampening bonus and a significantly weaker version of the Amarr one.
The Calscout has the same dampening bonus as the Galscout and a gigantic scan range bonus. While no other scout has a version of that bonus it's at a massive 50%. Really?
The Amarr scout gets one strongish bonus.
The Galscout gets its strong dampening bonus plus a much weaker version of the Amarr bonus.
The Calscout gets the same strong dampening bonus, plus a very strong scan range bonus.
Then the Minscout is kind of its own thing, I guess.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:49:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Sure, it's fine for all scouts to be able to evade all scans in theory.
But doing that and getting a very, very high strength range bonus?
Look at the Galscout. It has its primary dampening bonus and a significantly weaker version of the Amarr one.
The Calscout has the same dampening bonus as the Galscout and a gigantic scan range bonus. While no other scout has a version of that bonus it's at a massive 50%. Really?
The Amarr scout gets one strongish bonus.
The Galscout gets its strong dampening bonus plus a much weaker version of the Amarr bonus.
The Calscout gets the same strong dampening bonus, plus a very strong scan range bonus.
Then the Minscout is kind of its own thing, I guess.
Rattati put together a spreadsheet for us ... I wish I'd saved the link. He used racial bonuses to "normalize" scan range and profile potentials, such that the max scan ranges of ewar scouts are more closely grouped and max profile of all scouts can reach competitive levels.
The percentages are odd, as they were derived backwards from target values. They'll get even more odd once we start talking efficacy bonuses.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:50:00 -
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How did you feel about the Gallente having dampening and range bonus in 1.0 to 1.7?
Equivalent range bonus in 1.8, then nerfed the **** out of it for Alpha and Bravo.
lol, now it's flipped entirely and it's precision.
Also, 50% bonus on the Cal isn't a big deal. You have to choose between dampening and range amps. Otherwise you're stuck in this awkward place of "Those med frames scanners can't see me! even if every other scout and Gal-logis can >.>"
And If I wanted to, my Amarr scout can have a longer scan range, if I was willing to sacrifice 2 extra modules in place of what's probably going to be 2 complex plates.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:59:00 -
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While I understand that its easier to balance us if our min/max potentials are more tightly clustered, I am a 'bit worried about how overlapping strengths will impact role identities ...
1. What role do you guys see the CalScout serving post-Charlie?
2. If we move forward with efficacy bonuses, how would we augment this role to set him apart from the others?
Shoot scout with yes.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6213
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:03:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:While I understand that its easier to balance us if our min/max potentials are more tightly clustered, I am a 'bit worried about how overlapping strengths will impact role identities ...
1. What role do you guys see the CalScout serving post-Charlie?
2. If we move forward with efficacy bonuses, how would we augment this role to set him apart from the others?
Cal scout will scan infantry. With large range and a few precision mods, they'll scan practically anything that isn't a scout.
It will hopefully force assaults to waste a slot or two to damp if they want to not be scanned. Like the good old days 
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:11:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:While I understand that its easier to balance us if our min/max potentials are more tightly clustered, I am a 'bit worried about how overlapping strengths will impact role identities ...
1. What role do you guys see the CalScout serving post-Charlie?
2. If we move forward with efficacy bonuses, how would we augment this role to set him apart from the others? Cal scout will scan infantry. With large range and a few precision mods, they'll scan practically anything that isn't a scout. It will hopefully force assaults to waste a slot or two to damp if they want to not be scanned. Like the good old days
it's be nice if post-charlie some modules' slots got flipped. no one should have a bonus that competes with itself for slot space.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Man of Spade
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:18:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:Spademan wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Lol Calscout with 50% scan range and 15% dampening. Damned bastards have to steal all our stuff. Were you guys here when Ratty was talking to us about it? His logic was fairly straight forward. Bonuses need to take into account the slot layout of the suit. I forget what page but he listed the basic principles he was working towards. One of them was that every scout should be able to beat all scans if they fill all their lows with Damps and have a Proto cloak on. With the exception of Gallente who can get away with just all lows being Damps. Caldari and Amarr will be the closest to an Assault suit still as their bonuses apply to the modules it has the least of, thus encouraging it to fill the others with tank, which fits the lore I guess. While I still don't like the idea of anybody having passive precision this seems to be the best we're going to get (I miss the days of Scout v Scout being a blind fight) Not that it matters, I turn on my PS3 about once a month now let alone play Dust.
Oh yeah, I'm just commenting on those freedom hating fascists stealing our stuff 
Totally not Spademan.
That guy is a real jackass.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:23:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:
it's be nice if post-charlie some modules' slots got flipped. no one should have a bonus that competes with itself for slot space.
I'm pretty sure that's goal ... using mechanical means to prevent a given suit's attributes from being too strong.
Examples:
"We can't give the Caldari Scout a precision bonus, because it has four highs ... "
"We can't give Amarr Scout a range bonus, because it has four lows ... "
"We can't give the GA Scout a damp bonus, because it'll run one damp and three plates ..."
"Instead, let's equalize them such that one can't do anything substantially better than the next."
^ Not saying that I agree with this thinking, but I can definitely understand it.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6213
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:31:00 -
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Been having a lot of success with this fit today.
16/3 ambush
17/3 ambush (Vs. NS Heavy Spam)
38/8 Dom
This fit should be even better in Charlie huehuehuehue
Fully Charged Knife deals around 1300 damage with both connecting.
Flaylock has 235 damage per splash vs. Armor. 705 in a clip.
This should be good. That and I can finally dodge scans!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3788
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:40:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Been having a lot of success with this fit today. 16/3 ambush 17/3 ambush (Vs. NS Heavy Spam) 38/8 Dom This fit should be even better in Charlie huehuehuehue Fully Charged Knife deals around 1300 damage with both connecting. Flaylock has 235 damage per splash vs. Armor. 705 in a clip. This should be good. That and I can finally dodge scans!
I've been running something similar for kicks ... and charlie practice :-)
TY-5 and TT-3 were OK alternatives to M209. Tried swapping in an Adv MagSec ... terrible.
Might have to give it a shot with that Flaylock.
Shoot scout with yes.
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