Sorry to distrupt the conversation, but anyone up for a good troll?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169471

FOV is a technically sealed deal. There is no way they will ever be able to increase it, nor will they anyways. Even Destiny is going for FPS when they should be going for FOV. Yea.. 1080P @ 60 FPS.... with a horrible FOV. What is it? 50 degrees? bleh. They should go for a lower res/30FPS and go for a nice wide FOV IMHO.


But I just want to take a second and dispel this notion of realism you guys jumped onto. Immersion is king in every video game. Realism is a fine line that walks the edge of immersion. A game has to be real enough to immerse you, yet that same concept of realism and going overboard with it can break immersion just as easy.

for example- in a game when you walk you expect to hear footsteps. When you throw a grenade you expect to hear an explosion. The absence of these sounds will break your immersion into the game. Your mind will automatically pick up on the lack of sound.

To that end, if you have a game where you have to pay bills manually, walk a dog and clean up after it, wash dishes.. no matter how cool the mini game, no matter how deep it supplies immersion through realism, it ends up breaking immersion because it is too real. WTF you are playing a game. If you want to do chores you'll just do them for real, amirite?

With regards to reducing back pedaling speed, it is not just to the end of supplying some unduly amount of realism to the game. It breaks immersion. For a player with knives to attack a bipedal enemy that can move at an unrealistically backward speed, it totally breaks immersion. Just as much as running into any glitch, or even a legitimate cheater. It is a mechanic born of bad game design, and should never have existed in the game to begin with. Because some players began to rely on this broken mechanic, it doesn't mean it should remain.

It breaks immersion because it is not expected behavior. It harms the tactical aspect of the game because it is such a broken mechanic that it ends up handing an unfair advantage to a compromised player that should have no such advantage.

I've been thinking, every now and then as a group we could choose one thread at random and just mass troll it or completely take it over and start having discussions entirely unrelated to the thread. Basically set up a temporary barbershop there for a day and then leave.

I've been thinking, every now and then as a group we could choose one thread at random and just mass troll it or completely take it over and start having discussions entirely unrelated to the thread. Basically set up a temporary barbershop there for a day and then leave.

This would be awesome... I've trolled and tried to start fights in other threads before, but no one every get's into it! If we just mass infiltrate and hijack, I'd be all-in for that.

As for my knifing... so far I only have one M-1 fit, as noted with the shield/precision + damp/speed. As my initial fit, slapping an uplink on there doesn't leave room for much else (esp. since it's a CPX damp I run). I won't be fitting a cloak for a long time, if ever on a deploy fit!

I've found myself using the SMG on these speed fits with the NK's as I'm more spray and pray due to the speed hit & run tactics, and I don't need headshot alpha as much since I have the knives. (Still though, nothing quite says "sit the **** down" like an off the cuff SCP headshot against some tool chasing you with a Aslt RR in a caldari scout suit - best moment last night before I swapped to the SMG).

Thus far though I'm still relegated to being a baby-kniver: killing stationary targets and making rookie mistakes (sometimes running into chaotic battle for a kill and getting mowed down by someone other than my target).

But, I did manage to run into the redline to a LAV, kill the sniper on the other side, and get away scot free. The extra speed is nice, even when it's only an Enh Kin-Cat.

Admittedly that's a personal opinion, and I've taken some care not to contradict fellow scouts on this outside the barbershop, as I know I'm in the minority in this case.

I'd much preferr to see how the current changes play out, and only look at movement changes as the absolute last option.

o7

As for my knifing... so far I only have one M-1 fit, as noted with the shield/precision + damp/speed. As my initial fit, slapping an uplink on there doesn't leave room for much else (esp. since it's a CPX damp I run). I won't be fitting a cloak for a long time, if ever on a deploy fit!

I've found myself using the SMG on these speed fits with the NK's as I'm more spray and pray due to the speed hit & run tactics, and I don't need headshot alpha as much since I have the knives. (Still though, nothing quite says "sit the **** down" like an off the cuff SCP headshot against some tool chasing you with a Aslt RR in a caldari scout suit - best moment last night before I swapped to the SMG).

Thus far though I'm still relegated to being a baby-kniver: killing stationary targets and making rookie mistakes (sometimes running into chaotic battle for a kill and getting mowed down by someone other than my target).

But, I did manage to run into the redline to a LAV, kill the sniper on the other side, and get away scot free. The extra speed is nice, even when it's only an Enh Kin-Cat.

Thanks for the reminder Mollerz, forgot about this one

I think that reducing backpedal would have far reaching consequences

1. that would change the dynamic of gunplay and [...] reset the rules of engagement entirely.
2. in ways that far outstrip the intent, which is to make knifing and shotgunning more reliable
3. that would make life harder for scouts.

@Duncan, I think its semi reasonable/comparable since we can assume most people spent as much time as possible grinding. There was no "cap" for the event, so people participating went full board and played all day. Those are the people who won, so we can safely assume they spent all 70 hrs grinding. Those who did not, did not win. But I do think you are correct in saying we can't be certain. True True. In those events you bring out the neck beards and bucket users. They never leave the screen.

I haven't been road killed in a long time. Perhaps allowing people to hit the drivers more easily (av nade does dmg to driver) along with bullets actually hitting driver and not the LAV, would help. I spent one game on the enemy redline with a driver that was just circling me trying to road kill. I spent probably 7-10 minutes trying to knife the dude.....never happened.

Hardener wouldn't help, cause it would be too late to activate. You would already be dead. Thats why a OHK wouldn't be kosher.

HAV.. ? sure okay. that too. lol.

But at the same time- you put a heavy suit into an LAV, and it should go half the speed. 2 heavies? 1/4 speed. 3 heavies and it rolls at 10KM/H.

But I will tell you this, the game, despite your objections, would become instantly more tactical and immersive with changes towards making bipedal movement more in line with physical realities of bipedal movement. Realistic physics are a good thing in a game, and there is a reason, as a technology, that it has taken off and permeated every modern game.

I see your realistic physics and raise you the Havok engine.
Seriously, that thing is the greatest Irish contribution to the video game world.

Anyway, on movement: To me, it's just bonkers from a game play perspective. I just don't get why a guy shouldn't stabilise his shots before shooting. Moving at these speeds from side to side and have almost no affect on accuracy is crazy.

Sure the game isn't real life but that's no license to make the game super absurd with respect to physics. And then we have the heavy suit rotation speed....

Anyway, on movement: To me, it's just bonkers from a game play perspective. I just don't get why a guy shouldn't stabilise his shots before shooting. Moving at these speeds from side to side and have almost no affect on accuracy is crazy.

"Good Players" will tell you that Dust is not a twitch shooter.
Dust is about strategy and tactics. And wiggling vigorously while hipfiring.

And I'd ask them what isn't tactful about stalking your prey, crouching, and lining up the perfect shot. (Sidenote: Destiny suffers from this too. At least for now.)

Revised post. Attempting to be facetious :-)

I'm no fan of the current mechanics.

Just noticed.
Heavy mantra: What chu gonna do with the big fat butt? Wiggle wiggle wiggle

pretty sure it's more Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle than you're alluding too.