Mollerz is spot on here

*Cough* Elitist *Cough*

WHAT poor tactics.
Seriously, what poor tactics?
Explain to me.


"The scout is too fast, it rewards poor tactics"
That sentence above sounds just as valid as your argument.
You need to explain the poor tactics.


Also, modern military shooters are the most popular FPS types.
So saying how other games don't do it doesn't really work.

How?
Please explain.
I'm seriously trying to see your guys point of view, but the only argument I've seen so far is "It's not realistic" and "It rewards poor tactics".
The first is not a valid argument for game balance, the second needs further explaining.

I'll take your word for it, since you understand nova knifing way more than I do.

I'd love for CCP to confirm my knife kill count. But it's got to be around 6K+ at the low ball count. I want to say probably around 8K.. but you know how one is prone to overstating such things. It is hard to talk tactics with a grasshopper. Go get a thousand knife kills under your belt, and then you'll start to understand.


Look, I've explained it to death, even my elderly Aunt would understand what I am talking about at this point. I get it. You like doomish pacman controls, probably use a keyboard, and are here for buffs.

Shotty- Send him a red jar on me. Raises glass, rolls eyes, and walks away.

Bad = rushing in, yet still being able to easily backpedal easily out of situations while simultaneously attacking and negating inherent strengths in other suits due to poor mechanics. Also, negating people playing to their strengths.

BOOM
Found an argument I can understand and agree with.

Was that so hard?

BOOM
Found an argument I can understand and agree with.

Was that so hard?

yep. If I were you I'd work on a few things.

If I were you I would go over the lovely subject of "How to debate without being an a-hole".

@ Cat

Little effort at all is required to bunnyhop / backpedal after being hit in back.
Significant effort, risk and specialized loadouts are required to sneak up within 1m of a target.

@ Cat

Little effort at all is required to bunnyhop / backpedal after being hit in back.
Significant effort, risk and specialized loadouts are required to sneak up within 1m of a target.

Here kitty kitty.
This is my view on back pedalling.

It's bonkers. If you get the drop on someone, particularly with a short range weapon, a quick spin jump and back pedal will turn the odds your way. (especially with high hp) Bad if you ask me. Even a slightly longer ranged weapon, let's say an Assault rifle. (I know, not the longest ranged weapon, but still, longer than shotties and Knives)

Merc A, with an Ar just at the tip of his optimal, gets the drop on Merc B.
Lets say Merc B is faster and has a Rail Rifle.
Merc B often wins by turning, back pedalling, getting out of range and gunning down Merc A. Because of ludicrous back pedal.

I usually just use a Cloak. No wonder you guys are pissed. You all over complicate things.

I liked this place better when it didn't devolve to mudslinging wars, instigated by Rattati's request for feedback.

Eh, it doesn't really work with an AR.
You can still do decent damage even slightly outside of your optimal.

With knives it's all or nothing, and with the shotty the damage drops super quickly.

I usually just use a Cloak. No wonder you guys are pissed. You all over complicate things.

I usually just use a Cloak. No wonder you guys are pissed. You all over complicate things.

Eh, it doesn't really work with an AR.
You can still do decent damage even slightly outside of your optimal.

With knives it's all or nothing, and with the shotty the damage drops super quickly.

Why would you use a cloak other than the dampening bonus in a backstab situation? Using a cloak to backstab is bad tactics.

The main reason is the time it takes to switch to knives as well as the propensity for you not to switch even tho you pressed the button to switch. Using a cloak, ironically to what you said, would actually complicate things.

If you are at the point you've snuck up on someone and are in knife range, either they plain can't pick you up on tacnet, or are oblivious to it. Their back is to you so they don't see you anyways. That is until their shield and half their armor evaporates, which at that point the crutch second chance mechanic of backpedaling saves them from their mistake of being caught with their pants down amongst their squad of protos. Every single odd was against the knifer, but he scored that hit. Why should that be the whole extent of the suits capabilities? Because at that point the knifer has little to no chance as the prey now has all the cards.

Maybe knives should do 1500 damage per uncharged slash? I wouldn't care about backpedalers then. They'd, like me, now have no chance after I hit them.

Didn't realize we were pissed; good to know.

Do you find that your cloak works well without damps?
Mine doesn't at all, but I presume nothing.
Perhaps Scotty is putting us into different queues.

Why would you use a cloak other than the dampening bonus in a backstab situation? Using a cloak to backstab is bad tactics.

The main reason is the time it takes to switch to knives as well as the propensity for you not to switch even tho you pressed the button to switch. Using a cloak, ironically to what you said, would actually complicate things.

If you are at the point you've snuck up on someone and are in knife range, either they plain can't pick you up on tacnet, or are oblivious to it. Their back is to you so they don't see you anyways. That is until their shield and half their armor evaporates, which at that point the crutch second chance mechanic of backpedaling saves them from their mistake of being caught with their pants down amongst their squad of protos. Every single odd was against the knifer, but he scored that hit. Why should that be the whole extent of the suits capabilities? Because at that point the knifer has little to no chance as the prey now has all the cards.

Maybe knives should do 1500 damage per uncharged slash? I wouldn't care about backpedalers then. They'd, like me, now have no chance after I hit them.

What kind of Scout needs damps? Heh, armour tank all day, every day. You fake Scouts blow my mind.