I disagree. Pubs are worthless. Everything should be balanced from competitive down. Everything needs a ROLE and the ability to FULFILL that role.

This is the simplest solution.

If you balance from PC side, it should all trickle down to pubs. If it's balanced for the elite, it'll be balanced for the rest.

And get this: Even if it isn't balanced for pubs.... WHO THE HELL CARES.

Pubs are garbage anyways. Perhaps it'll even drive people out of pubs and into PC. The more the merrier.

I care.

All I play is pubs.

If PC was made balanced and viable for all suits to some extent, would you not want to take part?

Or just live in Pubs for the rest of your life?

What I really miss is the old FW. I used to play that exclusively. Once they added the LP store, and every match was more lopsided than a pub, I just couldn't take it.

...a heavy can't use sidearms because of fat fingers...

... (Animation of fatty grabbing the door frame and trying to rock himself out would also be appropriate).

Similarly, I'd propose a solution for heavy/LAV drive-by abuse - heavies can't get in and out of LAVs quickly, because they are too fat. (Animation of fatty grabbing the door frame and trying to rock himself out would also be appropriate).

Yes, I would only play pubs.

I am of average to above average skill, and would not thrive in such a highly competitive setting. Nor do I have the time or inclination to get on that level.

I don't have time to devote to a corp, nor do I have the ability to use a mic that would enable me to be fully involved in squads, especially on that higher level.

Pubs fit what I want to get out of the game.

IF removing knives were the ONLY way to balance the game, after all other ideas were exhausted, then I would understand. I have been knifing for coming up on a year, and would be very disappointed but would understand.

I just think there has to be some reasonable fixes that can be made that don't involve taking knives away from minjas, that enable them to be viable in both PCs and pubs.

Edit: What I really miss is the old FW. I used to play that exclusively. Once they added the LP store, and every match was more lopsided than a pub, I just couldn't take it.

I disagree. Pubs are worthless. Everything should be balanced from competitive down. Everything needs a ROLE and the ability to FULFILL that role.

This is the simplest solution.

If you balance from PC side, it should all trickle down to pubs. If it's balanced for the elite, it'll be balanced for the rest.

And get this: Even if it isn't balanced for pubs.... WHO THE HELL CARES.

Pubs are garbage anyways. Perhaps it'll even drive people out of pubs and into PC. The more the merrier.

Current damps doesn't cut it. Believe me, I want to keep my knives too, but bottom line is this:

If I was told to choose between knives and a fit that was only good for pubs (And still outshone by every other scout) and a suit with PC utility and no knives, I would take the latter EVERY DAMN TIME.

I'm tired of being a top tier player who is held back by a suit that he loves and hates at the same time.

So play a gal scout, no? don't **** the min suit.. make them fix it. knives are the cornerstone of the suit, and it should remain that way.

Then convince everyone to let the Min Scout have 3 bonuses.

You give it damps and knives and you won't see them in PC.

You give it Damps and Hacks and you see them in PC.

You give them Damps knives AND hacks? People will b*tch and whine about us getting 3 bonuses, even when the third is extremely circumstantial and depends on them ACTUALLY RUNNING KNIVES.

There are many ways you could get creative about minjas.. hell everything. But here you guys are working with CCP Ratattatitatat on hotfixes that accomplish nothing. It's like taking a car that is totaled and putting different air fresheners in it to see if it is finally acceptable to drive. Even if it smells a little bit better, it's still totaled.

But it is what it is. That being said- There are only a few aspects of this game that actually give it some desirability for most people to play, and when it comes to minja playerss it is knifing. When I seldomly load up dust, I only knife because it's the only thing that makes the game fun for me. Without a knifing bonus, the minja is DOA.

PC is pubs just with the civil war reenactment larper level of participation. Most of CCPs customers play pubs. To cater to a small group of people who exploit the game is a bad move. Every time.

And for this whiny elitist band of people to whine about one weak ass suit getting 3 bonuses vs 2 and how many modules it equates to blah blah fuckety blah.. boo ******* hoo. It's painfully easy to eyeball evaluate the strategic importance of each bonus. This is all exacerbated by the lack of confidence of the developer in their product. They should be able to handle this **** on their own. This is Day Z level of ... nay.. War Z level of development we have going on.

Mollerz brings up a fair point.

Why the hell are we trying to fix and balance this game for CCP?

I am not asking for damps.

I would prefer to cease with the current Cal/Gal Precision/Dampening deal. Those are such strong bonuses.

I would rather see precision and dampening evened out across the board.

I will have to look at the rather recent post a Brother put up about such a thing. It was one of the better suggestions.

At this point everything seems messy, thanks to shared scanning and the cloak nerf.

Things got inaccurately nerfed with Alpha, and we are trying to put together pieces that don't want to fit.

Why don't you guys just decide to make the hacking bonus innate...? That way it seems like only 2 bonuses, but you're really getting 3, except the hacking is available at all levels (helps newbies, etc)

I really like active dampening idea, as its not cookie cutter like the gal scout bonus, but still makes the minja PC viable

Why don't you guys just decide to make the hacking bonus innate...? That way it seems like only 2 bonuses, but you're really getting 3, except the hacking is available at all levels (helps newbies, etc)

I really like active dampening idea, as its not cookie cutter like the gal scout bonus, but still makes the minja PC viable

Why don't you guys just decide to make the hacking bonus innate...? That way it seems like only 2 bonuses, but you're really getting 3, except the hacking is available at all levels (helps newbies, etc)

I really like active dampening idea, as its not cookie cutter like the gal scout bonus, but still makes the minja PC viable

The suggestion to make hacking an innate bonus on the Min was passed onto CCP, so we may see it happen.

Then convince everyone to let the Min Scout have 3 bonuses.

The suggestion to make hacking an innate bonus on the Min was passed onto CCP, so we may see it happen.

Dude.

Rattati just came in here and told us that he wants to give AM, GA, and CA one bonus each, and that he wants to make Minmatar faster.

By my math, we're no longer is it 2 bonuses compared to 3.

GA: Profile
CA: Precision
AM: Range
MN: Hacks, Knives, Speed

Add Active Dampening bonus to MN for an 4:1?
I can't sell that, Ghost.

Or at least what page is it so that i can find it?

Read the past 3 or 4 pages.
I've unblocked you, by the way :-)