The Caldari scout has finally been released, why do minmatar have a bonus to Caldari weaponry?!
This is an outrage and I demand it changed.

No. Referring to the proposal's progress to date.

The Caldari scout has finally been released, why do minmatar have a bonus to Caldari weaponry?!
This is an outrage and I demand it changed.

agree with "if shared scanning weren't a thing"
but remember your also not willing to make a significan enough sacrifice to stay off the tac-net. You choose not to use 3x cDampeners and a cCloak. Even if its timed hiding you are able to do so providing you are willing to make the sacrifice.
What is the dmg potential of NK's on a sidearm dmg modded minja? who else is able to = that dmg with NK's providing they sacrifice fitting?
minmatar is the jack of all trades master of none other than the NK's. the most innate bonuses of any scout suit - PG and shield. But hey you got your NK bonus that can't be beat vs having something more universal.

Keep in mind that for us to benefit from our NK damage, we have to get to within 2m of the target (I think, or is it 1m?)

But we can't hide for more than 40 seconds at a time and must be running cDamps AND cCloak in order to do even that?

So you're saying, go proto or go home? Because the ADV suit ain't fitting a proto cloak. It just doesn't have the CPU/PG for it. Guess I'll just stop playing DUST for the next several months until I accumulate 2.2 million passive SP so I can have a viable suit. See you guys in a few months, I hope DUST is still here by then! o7

The Warden doesn't have to sacrifice all their highs to see us. The Ghost doesn't have to sacrifice all of his lows to hide from us OR all of his highs to see us. We're expected to sacrifice all of our lows AND one of our EQ slots to hide for a few seconds, get one - maybe two - kills before the entire enemy squad rains HMG, ACR and AR fire down on our 200 eHP heads? I can't fit shield tank because I need PEs to even hope to see the bricktanked scouts with their shotguns. I need lows full of damps to even hope to hide from those I need to sneak up on in order to get a kill with my knives. And forget about KinCats and Codebreakers to capitalize on my speed and hacking speed.

Nope, I think something needs to change here.

agree with "if shared scanning weren't a thing"
but remember your also not willing to make a significan enough sacrifice to stay off the tac-net. You choose not to use 3x cDampeners and a cCloak. Even if its timed hiding you are able to do so providing you are willing to make the sacrifice.
What is the dmg potential of NK's on a sidearm dmg modded minja? who else is able to = that dmg with NK's providing they sacrifice fitting?
minmatar is the jack of all trades master of none other than the NK's. the most innate bonuses of any scout suit - PG and shield. But hey you got your NK bonus that can't be beat vs having something more universal.

Keep in mind that for us to benefit from our NK damage, we have to get to within 2m of the target (I think, or is it 1m?)

But we can't hide for more than 40 seconds at a time and must be running cDamps AND cCloak in order to do even that?

So you're saying, go proto or go home? Because the ADV suit ain't fitting a proto cloak. It just doesn't have the CPU/PG for it. Guess I'll just stop playing DUST for the next several months until I accumulate 2.2 million passive SP so I can have a viable suit. See you guys in a few months, I hope DUST is still here by then! o7

The Warden doesn't have to sacrifice all their highs to see us. The Ghost doesn't have to sacrifice all of his lows to hide from us OR all of his highs to see us. We're expected to sacrifice all of our lows AND one of our EQ slots to hide for a few seconds, get one - maybe two - kills before the entire enemy squad rains HMG, ACR and AR fire down on our 200 eHP heads? I can't fit shield tank because I need PEs to even hope to see the bricktanked scouts with their shotguns. I need lows full of damps to even hope to hide from those I need to sneak up on in order to get a kill with my knives. And forget about KinCats and Codebreakers to capitalize on my speed and hacking speed.

Nope, I think something needs to change here.

you see the problem is you think you only have NK's as a weapon. Nobody forcing you to try to kill everything with your NK's. The combat rifle is still very good as is the plasma rifle. my gal scout uses all weapons with no bonuses to dmg. I have same number of slots.
gal
2 dampeners = to min with 3 dampeners
1 range
1 reactive plate = almost equal to shield enhancer
1 shield enhancer
1 precision

minja
3 dampeners
2 shield enhancers
1 precision

virtually the same except minmatar
faster
shield tanked/faster recovery
hacks faster
more stamina/regen
more melee dmg = worthless
alot more NK damage = big waste
but can't see as far
here is the big kicker > plenty of PG because eWAR uses no PG

Again nobody forcing you to use NK's.
Move codebreakers to highs im in favor of as that is a minmatar scout BONUS not an innate bonus. as minmatar have so many innate bonuses and everyone thinks they have to have all of them maxamized at the same time while still being hidden from tac-net.

Due to my inability to predict when you'd be on Arkena, the hunt must wait until next week or so.
A slipperier prey I have not encountered.

You saying the Gal isn't supposed to be the scanner holds no weight. You need to justify the change before you make it. You were the one that stated it should without any reasoning to justify removing it

You are right, no one is forcing me to use the NKs. I WANT to use them, that is WHY I picked the suit. I didn't pick the suit and then decide to NK based on its bonus.

I also have a CR (I would love to use the ScR, but even with an CR and an adv cloak I have slots empty because of fitting requirements and realizing basic modules are worthless everywhere but the Academy), but when you have 200ish ehp, I find that I rarely win shootouts even with advantage of surprise. Its good for fighting in alongside a squad, but not solo when hacking.

EWAR does use less PG, but then you aren't taking advantage of the few benefits minjas give in terms of speed and hacking. You just end up trying to be a Gal or a Cal, and fail miserably. The modules that actually enable us to find a niche that no one else is better at happens to be PG intensive. This is the crux of the issue.

so don't try to be a gal and live with being on the tac-net. I don't try to be minmatar and boost speed, hacking, stamina, NK's. but I do try to be a scout and boost precision, range, and dampening the same as I would if i were a Amarr scout. I would like it if Amarr got range bonus from gal. Then I could have all 4 roles covered. precision (cal) dampening (gal) range (amarr) and jack of all / hacker (min).

This is the problem that not being able to fix shared scanning presents.

I dampen enough to not be picked up by active scanners and non cal scouts that have a precision enhancer or two.

Part of the issue as it currently stands is that it doesn't take as much sacrifice for a cal scout to pick my profile up and broadcast it to his friends. So I can't sneak past enemy lines, I can't stealth hack, I can"t use cover to sneak up behind his buddies. All my benefits are moot.

What I like about the changes shotty suggests is that in order for a Cal to pick me up, he has to actually use more modules, and make a similar sacrifice. No more being able to scan me with next to no sacrifice, and then be able to add some additional modules for an even greater advantage.

Same with the Gal scout. If they want to be invisible, they can't be invisible AND tank.

Your original post on the discussion suggested that I am not making enough of a sacrifice. My point is that not only am I making as much sacrifice as I can, but that I also fail to make a difference despite the sacrifice. Additionally, as it stands, Cals and Gals are able to be much more effective WITHOUT the same level of sacrifice.

yes the shared vision needs to go. we agree on that.
a cal has to sacrifice 3 high (precision) to detect a minja using 3 low (dampeners) sounds fair.
you then add that the cal is in a squad and that makes it not fair. if your solo it was never fair to begin with. yes without shared vision you would have a chance but you still have a better chance than a solo cal scout as they have less options to hide than you.
squad with a cal scout to run with you they are your short range eyes as you hack under cloak. add a gal scout to your squad for long range passive and now all the bases are covered. you are the speed hacking ninja with cal precision and gal range. so you know when they are coming, when to attack, and when to run. that is the best option i can see as I don't see shared passive going anywhere soon and as far as balance IMO 1v1 the min is in a good place and in a small squad with a cal and gal would be pretty deadly as well. most of the time in pubs if i see a cal scout alone he has a gal or min scout running with them. min has more chance solo than a cal scout.

So what you are saying is that in order to be competitive, I need the help of a gal and cal in my squad, whereas a cal or a gal, can be effective without a squad.

Yeah, nothing wrong with minjas...

Running a minja without damps is suicide. It feels like even mediums can spot you on tacnet. It is super frustrating.

Attempting to run knives usually results in rage quits

Running anything the minja is built for, results in a very difficult situation. You can run it other ways and feel "alright" but you are normally better off running a different scout suit.

Luckly vets have the option of switching suits. Something else CCP needs to fix. I run minja with knives until I run into squads with cal scouts, but then its my main mission to swap to GAL damps and ruin their day. Only vets have that option and it sucks.

Go run cal solo and tell me how effective you are at staying off tac-net, lol
I said a minmatar has better chance solo than a caldari. For the same reason you think minmatar is gimped the all seeing tac-net. Cal is UNABLE to dampen enough where you only choose not dampen enough

I do run a Cal scout solo on occasion.
Being unable to Dampen does not play as much of a hindrance as it does on my Min. Why, because I can see what is around me and gauge my engagements before they even happen. For me Solo is easier on my Cal than on my Min.

I've yet to play a game since Hotfix Alpha that didn't have at least 1 Cal-Scout on the other side.
I really liked when I could just put 2 complex damps and a basic clock on my M-I. No point in trying unless I somehow get super lucky. Cal-Scout in pubs is easy. Even an C-I I can fit 3 complex precision enhancers if need be.

I feel like my cal-scout in pubs is just to spite min and amarr scouts

Running a minja without damps is suicide. It feels like even mediums can spot you on tacnet. It is super frustrating.

Attempting to run knives usually results in rage quits

Running anything the minja is built for, results in a very difficult situation. You can run it other ways and feel "alright" but you are normally better off running a different scout suit.

Luckly vets have the option of switching suits. Something else CCP needs to fix. I run minja with knives until I run into squads with cal scouts, but then its my main mission to swap to GAL damps and ruin their day. Only vets have that option and it sucks.

People with average kills who remember to flux links, cap objectives, etc. are far more important than the slayers at times.

And slayers that carry flux links and cap objectives is the difference between a mediocre corp and a good one.

Where the Hell have you been

And Jesus said unto his disciples

Fear not, oh children of the Father, for the Gallente will be justified and the Caldari will weighed next to the Sodomites of whom they associate

Book of Bojo, Verse 8 Line 27

A book I c (slow clap)