iv actually been thinking of a solution...bout to do the math really quickly

I do hope you're better than me at doing math really quickly.
The whole +20% deal yesterday was rather embarrassing.

Though I would like to say thanks to Appia for not having flogged me...
"Thank you, Appia, for not having flogged me."

Someone catch me up on the cloak situation because I heard some changes occurred but I can't find good specifics.

Cloak frustration and other BS is pretty much why I tried to Biomass after all it ruined the scout that was

Someone catch me up on the cloak situation because I heard some changes occurred but I can't find good specifics.

Cloak frustration and other BS is pretty much why I tried to Biomass after all it ruined the scout that was

Ironically, brick tanking is still a problem

Ironically, brick tanking is still a problem

You want to discourage brick-tank Scouts ... so you're going to nerf ewar and cloak? If Scouts can't hide, more of them will bricktank. Srsly, guys?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Moody. Trust me guys. I totally know what I'm doing.

so, my idea is based in kin cats. I think if we replace the hacking bonus by making it an innate quality of the suit (i.e. buffing the base hacking speed of the scout by 25%) we can fill that missing bonus slot with a bonus to kin cats.

Why not just innate speed, one may ask?

Well, if it was, then it would just encourage armor tanking, which is bad and will get the suit into OP status, and finally nerfed into the ground.

What about the hit detection, the more discerning forum lurker may wonder?

So, if my idea was to go through, there would have to be a HARD speed cap, meaning that if the speed of the suit exceeded 11.12 m/s, the speed would simply be reduced to the maximum possible value (or 11.12 m/s).

The coding for this would be very simple-
if (drop_suit.speed>11.12)
{
drop_suit.speed=11.12;
}
and would not require a server side change (i don't believe)

My Idea:
So, for a min scout to be viable it needs AT LEAST 2 dampeners to dodge scans, which doesn't even bring it under 3x PE cal scout scans (another problem btw)
However, by doing this, it loses out on the ability to speed tank, which is what the suit is designed for. My idea would be to require the minmitar scout to only need one kin cat to reach above 11 m/s at maximum level, in addition to giving the scout a bonus to movement speed from kinetic catalyzers.

What this solves:
Two birds with one stone. The reason the minmitar scout is so PG starved is because the people who run it need to stack kinetic catalyzers to use the suits most valuable aspect-its speed. However, by staking kin cats, they lose the ability to dampen their suit, which greatly lowers minmitar scout viability, especially in PC matches.

Now for the math:
max speed=11.12
base speed with biotics maxed=8.3055
necessary increase to speed to reach 11.12 m/s=11.12/8.3055=33.89%
kinetic catalyzer (complex) base bonus=12%
what we want-33.89%
so, 12x=33.89
solve for x, and we get that the kinetic catalyzers must give minmitar scouts 2.8 (approx) times what they currently give in terms of a bonus, which we will then bring down to 2.5 times so that it is divisible by 5, and say that minmitar scouts receive a 50% efficacy bonus per level to kinetic catalyzers.

Speed with 1x kincat=7.91*1.05*(1+(.12*1.05*2.5))=10.92 m/s, and then if we change the kin cat skill bonus to 2% per level, we get that with maxed skills and this proposed bonus, minmitar scouts will run at 11.05 m/s with a single kin cat. This also creates a trade off as well for maximum speed for running to those objectives in a PC, but doesn't make it so that it gimps your suit as well.

Move Speed bonus:
per kincat, movement sped would be increased by 10% of the catalyzers sprint bonus per level, capping out at the movement speed a min scout would get from a single complex catalyzer, or 6%. (this would be % of the base sprint speed, not with the bonus)
Max movement speed would look like-5.65*1.06=5.99 m/s

Or, we could just add a 2/3/4% bonus to move speed for kin cats in their respective tiers and have the bonus affect that

Tell me what you guys think.

OP, UP, balanced stupid, too hard, or what?

TLDR (whatever the hell that means)

make hack bonus inherent to the suit and add 50% bonus to kin cats per level and give kin cats a move speed bonus either exclusive or non-exclusive to the min scout.
Also, whatever you want to say, please do so respectfully thanks guys!

A 50% bonus per level seems like it'd be a tad much.
I don't think there's a bonus that goes over 10% per level.

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

scout is 15%

but the thing is, it may look like a lot, but if you look at the math, its not actually very significant and, in my honest opinion, fixes the minmitar scout without making it overpowered

You overcomplicated it

The worst part would be her giggling the whole time she did it.

I don't think we can pitch big changes, Gav. They won't bite.
Better off iterating through a series of smaller changes.

Feedback, guys ?

Like Llast said, we have a few irons in the fire. We've yet to fully settle into the first round of Scout changes. New patterns are still forming. At this transitional stage, anything other than a PG boost would be premature. Give it time.

As for ewar, we spent the better part of day hammering out the ups and downs of its effects on Scouts. Frankly, its a 'bit more complex than "single damp should dodge everything under 4 precisions" but I won't waste your time revisiting each point and counterpoint. Appia's "Logibro" thread is a good read, if you wish to catch up.

A lot of good Scouts have your best interest in mind; let's give guys like Moody and Ghost a chance to work their magic.

On the fence
It gives a valuable role to scouts particularly the Cal Scout
Currently though balance of counter is brutalGǪ
I hated Scanner spam and this is similarGǪ but different.
Really i just don't like flat numbersGǪ I want Active Damps (yeah i mention it a lot)
then I would be fine with it for sure.

Bastard Poll: For or Against Shared Passive Scans?

By active damps...do you mean the cloak ?
seriously tho, id really like if they gave the cloak a bonus to dampener efficacy (i.e. you would receive a dampening bonus from it based on how many dampeners were on your suit)

scout is 15%

but the thing is, it may look like a lot, but if you look at the math, its not actually very significant and, in my honest opinion, fixes the minmitar scout without making it overpowered

Bastard Poll: For or Against Shared Passive Scans?

Bastard Poll: For or Against Shared Passive Scans?