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Krom Ganesh wrote:

@Daxxis & Ghost

The problem with the glass cannon role is that CCP is giving that to the Min assault (low health, bonus to damage and damage mods). Like I said, there would be too much overlap between the min scout and assaults.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to kill though. I am saying the intent of the min scout should be to cause chaos through a variety of actions including killing and hacking (vehicles, objectives, crus, uplinks, etc.). The scout class shouldn't be a direct fighter's class. It should operate using fear, paranoia, confusion, etc.

However, think of it this way. Bonuses in speed and hacking will allow you to be more aggressive and even control the battlefield. Your speed bonuses would give you the ability to pop in, take out a red in a group, and then lead his friends on a merry chase as you circle around and stab them in the back (literally or metaphorically, your choice). Your hacking bonuses would let you draw enemies or isolate them. No reds in your playground? Hack their objective to send them charging towards it like a raging bull. Want to prevent that red from having backup as you examine his innards? Hack the cru so no one hears him scream.

While it is not a true glass canon, the min scout should be the most aggressive class of them all.

Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57

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mollerz Minja Scouts 1699	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:22:00 - [6661] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: T'orq wrote: Are there any dedicated nova knife users here, if so please answer this question. Are nova knives affected by side arm damage mods or myo mods? I wanted to try them and got my first couple kills with them tonight, and just wanted to increase it damage output. Side arm mods They should really align knife damage with myros and make it a low slot. toss on a third low on the minja and voila. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 110	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:25:00 - [6662] - Quote Thanks guys, I was getting two different answers in game, loo. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 480	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:27:00 - [6663] - Quote mollerz wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. If you use an AR (or other listed weapons) and kill a scout you get the bounty, no? I donno....probably. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 303	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:29:00 - [6664] - Quote I disagree. It is still a weapon. Mellee or not it should be effected by damage mods. I agree with the third low and moving mellee mods to low slots but to increase a weapon and an action with one mod is unfair.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1694	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:34:00 - [6665] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: @Daxxis & Ghost The problem with the glass cannon role is that CCP is giving that to the Min assault (low health, bonus to damage and damage mods). Like I said, there would be too much overlap between the min scout and assaults. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to kill though. I am saying the intent of the min scout should be to cause chaos through a variety of actions including killing and hacking (vehicles, objectives, crus, uplinks, etc.). The scout class shouldn't be a direct fighter's class. It should operate using fear, paranoia, confusion, etc. However, think of it this way. Bonuses in speed and hacking will allow you to be more aggressive and even control the battlefield. Your speed bonuses would give you the ability to pop in, take out a red in a group, and then lead his friends on a merry chase as you circle around and stab them in the back (literally or metaphorically, your choice). Your hacking bonuses would let you draw enemies or isolate them. No reds in your playground? Hack their objective to send them charging towards it like a raging bull. Want to prevent that red from having backup as you examine his innards? Hack the cru so no one hears him scream. While it is not a true glass canon, the min scout should be the most aggressive class of them all. I do this already. I never hack unless nobody is around, and quite frankly 7.5 seconds to hack is fast enough for me. I don't have the slots to fit a codebreaker, and using a codebreaker on top of the passive and class bonuses is what made the logi shine anyways. On my lvl 3 logi, I use a single complex codebreaker, and I hack in about 5 seconds. I don't want to have to waste a low slot for it to truly shine. As for the overlap between scout and assault. There wouldn't be much of one. The assault can't move as fast as my scout, even with kincats (my current assault sprints at 8.4 with enhanced kincats). While he is fast, he has no stamina, and is easy to scan. He doesn't really flank too much. He is more of a rapid attacker, using his speed to quickly move from cover to cover, and to quickly move into positions to lock down targets. In short, he is flanker, but works more on angles, and ALWAYS from the front. The Min Scout would be different. He would focus on flanking from behind, and using his stealth to OHK troublesome targets (such as a target in a good strategic position, that is pinning down our squad). He would focus on quickly hitting groups from behind, weakening them, and then running away. They would have to spend extra time worrying about their flank and dropped buddies, and this gives the front line an excellent chance to push up. Creating the scenarios where my Min Assault will excel (quickly moving during the ambush, and setting up in a spot to flank the target from the side.) While both are similar, they would still be different enough to have their own niches. Scouts would truly be a hit and run. You can't hang around combat, and you can't assault from the front. Assaults would almost be like a Rapid Response, using their speed and extra health to move under enemy fire, in an attempt to flank and pin down the enemy (or at least to force them to have to open multiple fire lanes, creating gaps for pushes) In short, leave the hacking alone. The suit best suited to hacking is the Gallente, since they have both the low slots to fit the modules and the best suit for infiltration. They can quickly hack targets, and use their passive scanning to detect enemy troops. They can avoid objectives that have people on them without alerting the enemy, and can even bail if they see people moving in during a hack (that passive bonus comes in handy). Once again, just my take on the matter. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:40:00 - [6666] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: I disagree. It is still a weapon. Mellee or not it should be effected by damage mods. I agree with the third low and moving mellee mods to low slots but to increase a weapon and an action with one mod is unfair. So the amount of damage a melee can do should be dependent on the damage of the weapon? Like using light damage mods to increase the damage of a sniper rifle or CR melee? See, that makes no sense to me. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 693	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:42:00 - [6667] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As for the rest of the racial suits suggestions on their bonus based on the themes we already know about races? Amarr - Tanky Caldari - Shield Brawler Gallente - Armor Brawler Minmatar - Speed Deamon oh. alternative to shields for caldari scout: bolt pistol bonus? Either more accuracy, if it kicks like rail rifle... or more range, if it doesnt. 10% per level?
Oswald Rehnquist 1050	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:44:00 - [6668] - Quote mollerz wrote: I don't see why a minja wouldn't get a hacking bonus. One of the primary functions of a minja is to capture and hold outlyer objectives outside the heat of the main battle. Minjas mainly hack and assassinate really. not only that, but if you are hacking, most likely you will need to assassinate the point defenders. but I'll let the mins scouts argue for it or not, I don't have stakes in it so I don't really need a say on this bit. Below 28 dB
mollerz Minja Scouts 1701	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:45:00 - [6669] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: I disagree. It is still a weapon. Mellee or not it should be effected by damage mods. I agree with the third low and moving mellee mods to low slots but to increase a weapon and an action with one mod is unfair. Unfair? I don't see why given the existing base stats. Even if they were buffed it would align biotics into lows which makes sense. Why would a biotic be a high slot? Then, punching someone and swinging a knife into them are melee attacks base don physical motion. Shooting someone is a ballistic attack based on a firearm of sorts. It just makes more sense that way. It is far more unified. And besides, it really doesn't give some amazing beneficial OP power to anyone. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1696	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:46:00 - [6670] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: mollerz wrote: I don't see why a minja wouldn't get a hacking bonus. One of the primary functions of a minja is to capture and hold outlyer objectives outside the heat of the main battle. Minjas mainly hack and assassinate really. not only that, but if you are hacking, most likely you will need to assassinate the point defenders. Yep. I kill the defenders before hacking. Afterwards, getting that hack done in 7.5 seconds is more than enough time. I wouldn't assault an objective with more than 2 defenders anyways. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.

mollerz Minja Scouts 1702	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:50:00 - [6671] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: mollerz wrote: I don't see why a minja wouldn't get a hacking bonus. One of the primary functions of a minja is to capture and hold outlyer objectives outside the heat of the main battle. Minjas mainly hack and assassinate really. not only that, but if you are hacking, most likely you will need to assassinate the point defenders. Yep. I kill the defenders before hacking. Afterwards, getting that hack done in 7.5 seconds is more than enough time. I wouldn't assault an objective with more than 2 defenders anyways. Or kill the scouts who were slower than you and arrive just after you hack the virginity of an objective. don't question my phraseology. **** works. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1696	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:54:00 - [6672] - Quote mollerz wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: mollerz wrote: I don't see why a minja wouldn't get a hacking bonus. One of the primary functions of a minja is to capture and hold outlyer objectives outside the heat of the main battle. Minjas mainly hack and assassinate really. not only that, but if you are hacking, most likely you will need to assassinate the point defenders. Yep. I kill the defenders before hacking. Afterwards, getting that hack done in 7.5 seconds is more than enough time. I wouldn't assault an objective with more than 2 defenders anyways. Or kill the scouts who were slower than you and arrive just after you hack the virginity of an objective. don't question my phraseology. **** works. So you want the bonus then? How much of a bonus? Because I would except nothing less than 10% per level. 5% per level will not be enough for it to shine IMO. I don't want to have to use a low slot to make my bonus work the way I want it to. Not when I only have 2 low slots. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 967	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:58:00 - [6673] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me?
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1696	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:00:00 - [6674] - Quote Niuvo wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me? Not if you're a min scout. Min scout can't do sht Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57* Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 195	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:09:00 - [6675] - Quote yeah.... I'm F'd. " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
pseudosnipre 493	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:21:00 - [6676] - Quote How much are the loyalty store ishnoks? Thinking about skilling into nova knives for the event. Should only cost ~120k SP, so why not. Is there much of a delay between swings or can I not chain them together? Are both swings easy to connect? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3867	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:23:00 - [6677] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Niuvo wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me? Not if you're a min scout. Min scout can't do sht We can NK..... It's all we have left. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja* Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1196	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:23:00 - [6678] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: How much are the loyalty store ishnoks? Thinking about skilling into nova knives for the event. Should only cost ~120k SP, so why not. Is there much of a delay between swings or can I not chain them together? Are both swings easy to connect? no exist last i checked :( KRRROOOOOOM
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1196	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:28:00 - [6679] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Niuvo wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me? Not if you're a min scout. Min scout can't do sh*t We can NK..... It's all we have left. I literally had my worst match ever on my mina And it was against you Sin, but i did not even get to see youGÇª KRRROOOOOOM
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1698	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:29:00 - [6680] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Niuvo wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me? Not if you're a min scout. Min scout can't do sht We can NK..... It's all we have left. I literally had my worst match ever on my mina And it was against you Sin, but i did not even get to see youGÇª Sounds like Sin knows how to scout. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57* Minmatar. In Rust we trust.

One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:31:00 - [6681] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: yeah.... I'm F'd. Me too brother, me too... Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3867	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:32:00 - [6682] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Niuvo wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Stil not sure if event is good or bad.... Scout have to use nova knives....while med frames can use all other weapons. Seems again like we get crapped on....plus look at those isk bonuses per kill.....seriously....10 million isk. Scouts are too ez to kill for ez mode. should've been 30k per proto kill. Can 3 adv damps lvl 5 scout beat a focused scanner? can someone remind me? Not if you're a min scout. Min scout can't do sht We can NK..... It's all we have left. I literally had my worst match ever on my mina And it was against you Sin, but i did not even get to see youGÇª It's because I love you that I must kill you . <3 <3 Sinboto - The True Blood Minja* Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3867	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:33:00 - [6683] - Quote If I wasn't so sure this was a test for something I'd call for all scouts to pack up and go redline sniping till the event is over. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:54:00 - [6684] - Quote I think they are testing our foolishness. CCP 1: "Hey, I hate these scouts, how about we make an event that will encourage more scout massacre?" CCP 2: "Nah, they are too smart for that. The clearly know we dislike them and revel in their hopeless shinanigans!" CCP 1: "How about we pretend they can win gear for NK kills, but really we just end up padding EZ mode KDR." CCP 2: "Brilliant!!!" CCP 3: "While we wait, how about we tell them a little about cloaking, that should be a hoot!" Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7768	Posted - 2014.01.10 07:06:00 - [6685] - Quote Quote: As killers with Nova Knives are striking down mercenaries from shadows, bounties have been issued on anyone wearing a Scout suit. Between January 15 and 29, itGÇÖs your chance to show off the dominance of the other dropsuits. Is this... is this really necessary? I'm looking forward to the event though. I can only use AUR proto scouts and AUR proto knives, so this could be fantastic for me. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1703	Posted - 2014.01.10 07:49:00 - [6686] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Quote: As killers with Nova Knives are striking down mercenaries from shadows, bounties have been issued on anyone wearing a Scout suit. Between January 15 and 29, itGÇÖs your chance to show off the dominance of the other dropsuits. Is this... is this really necessary? I'm looking forward to the event though. I can only use AUR proto scouts and AUR proto knives, so this could be fantastic for me. Yeah, that extra sentence kinda pissed me off Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2679	Posted - 2014.01.10 07:50:00 - [6687] - Quote So what happens if scouts go on strike that week? :D Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1703	Posted - 2014.01.10 07:53:00 - [6688] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: So what happens if scouts go on strike that week? :D I'm turning that into a thread. Like right now. You will get credit. I promise. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1708	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:00:00 - [6689] - Quote Also, does anyone know if teamkilling will count toward the new event? Cause if it does, I foresee a lot of medframes killing friendly proto suits for a quick 50k at the beginning of the round. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1711	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:10:00 - [6690] - Quote Triple post, but who cares. For the record, this is our 6k post mark. Look at the timestamp. This is post #6681. Look at the timestamp. I'll save you some time. We just went through more than 100 posts A DAY for the past 6 days. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.



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