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Shotgun Maths: Adjusting for Overspray

TL;DR:
When firing at 5 meters, plan on 1-2 pellets missing your target.

Introduction:
Grief PK and I conducted a simple experiment today in hopes of establishing a benchmark overspray value. In essence, we compared how much damage a shotgun could do vs how much it actually did at 5 meters. Any replicable difference between maximum damage and actual damage (at 100% efficiency range) can be explained by missed pellets, or so we propose.

Hypothesis (Accepted):
Overspray exists at 5 meters; 100% damage will not be dealt 100% efficiency.

Ancillary Observations:
A) The optimal range of a Standard Shotgun (~5 meters) matches that of an Advanced Shotgun (~5 meters). At this range, the Advanced Shotgun deals damage at little to no variability, which cannot be said for the Standard. The CRG dealt a precise total of 441 damage, 5 times in a row. In exactly the same setting, the Dren dealt an average of 425 total damage (ranging from 387 to 457, with a standard deviation of 26.91) over 10 shots.

B) We observed more damage variability when firing at a Scout Frame than when firing at an Assault Frame. More likely than not, the Scout's smaller hitbox means that one pellet will miss him (at 5 meters).

C) Efficiency appears to by -20% versus armor. Efficiency readings drop into the 80s when a target is in Armor.

Data:
Shotgun,Range,Efficiency,TargetShield,TargetArmor,RemainingShield,RemainingArmor : Total Damage
CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441
CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441
CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441
CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441
CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441

DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,191 : 408
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 : 387
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,193 : 406
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 : 387
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,181 : 418
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,224 : 375
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,219 : 318
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,212 : 387
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223 : 374
DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223 : 374

Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57

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Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1558	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:14:00 - [6301] - Quote Spademan wrote: So, where are ya'll dastardly rogues from? I hail from Ireland myself. USA! Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 541	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:15:00 - [6302] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: So, where are ya'll dastardly rogues from? I hail from Ireland myself. I live north of crazy and south of sanity Canada *Irish/Sioux ancestry I'm in Chicago, Illinois. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
mollerz Minja Scouts 1626	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:19:00 - [6303] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Spademan wrote: So, where are ya'll dastardly rogues from? I hail from Ireland myself. I live north of crazy and south of sanity Canada *Irish/Sioux ancestry I'm in Chicago, Illinois. Weren't you from the Chi-burbs? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 541	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:21:00 - [6304] - Quote Shhhhhh. I'm in Chicago's North Shore Suburbs, but really doesn't matter for people that don't know the area. I'm about a 5 minute walk from a metra/amtrack station that goes downtown or about 10minute car ride from the yellow line. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 527	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:24:00 - [6305] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Shhhhhh. I'm in Chicago's North Shore Suburbs, but really doesn't matter for people that don't know the area. I'm about a 5 minute walk from a metra/amtrack station that goes downtown or about 10minute car ride from the yellow line. Closest I got to Chicago was Galway. I dont leave the country much I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1627	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:26:00 - [6306] - Quote I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 1627	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:27:00 - [6307] - Quote Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1142	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:32:00 - [6308] - Quote mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! Chi-town KRRROOOOOOM
pseudosnipre 477	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:33:00 - [6309] - Quote mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. What are you thinking the action will be like? High dps, med rof? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1142	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:36:00 - [6310] - Quote mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. I want more pistols KRRROOOOOOM

mollerz Minja Scouts 1629	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:38:00 - [6311] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. I want more pistols Did you see the bolt pistol? It says it's the most powerful pistol in the game. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3754	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:38:00 - [6312] - Quote My MD scout is gonna be **** come these changes, especially against heavyframes. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:38:00 - [6313] - Quote mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You mean like yesterday? where it was -10-¦F or today where it is warming up to a nice 0-¦F? Yeah. I'm about to venture off into that. Also which neibhorhood were you in? I spend a lot of time in Uptown/Andersonville, you know where all the pretty ladies are Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
mollerz Minja Scouts 1629	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:39:00 - [6314] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. What are you thinking the action will be like? High dps, med rof? ROF is semi-auto.. so I am thinking maybe along the lines of a scrambler pistol? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 529	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:40:00 - [6315] - Quote mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You want brr-ass weather you come and sit on the west coast of Ireland. The weather is so bad it actively depresses and tries to kill you. And knowing you skeptics, I'll throw this in, Science proved it. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 546	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:40:00 - [6316] - Quote So, SMG and Flaylock are Minmatar while Bolt Pistol and Magsec SMG are Caldari. We have the Scrambler Pistol for Amarr but are missing their SMG-like weapon, while we know the Ion Pistol is the name for the Gallente's pistol but in the dark just like for the Amarr on an SMG-alike Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 546	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:42:00 - [6317] - Quote Wow, this has been an active 2 days on the Scout Threadnought. proceeding at more than 10 pages a day... Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
mollerz Minja Scouts 1631	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:43:00 - [6318] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! Chi-town This is more my generation You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 1631	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:45:00 - [6319] - Quote Spademan wrote: mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You want brr-ass weather you come and sit on the west coast of Ireland. The weather is so bad it actively depresses and tries to kill you. And knowing you skeptics, I'll throw this in, Science proved it. You never freeze solid like a forgotten push pop in the back of a back porch freezer in Ireland though, right? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3755	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:45:00 - [6320] - Quote Gonna need 2, or three if they're sheild tanked, to kill a heavy with REs. Why don't you just come out and say you hate me DEVs. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

pseudosnipre 478	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:46:00 - [6321] - Quote mollerz wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. What are you thinking the action will be like? High dps, med rof? ROF is semi-auto.. so I am thinking maybe along the lines of a scrambler pistol? By that logic SG is semi auto. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1143	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:47:00 - [6322] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You mean like yesterday? where it was -10-¦F or today where it is warming up to a nice 0-¦F? Yeah. I'm about to venture off into that. Also which neibhorhood were you in? I spend a lot of time in Uptown/Andersonville, you know where all the pretty ladies are AppiaGÇª no don't throw out temps like that -42c (44ish F) here lately, and we get +39c (102F) in the summer KRRROOOOOOM
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1145	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:49:00 - [6323] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Gonna need 2, or three if they're sheild tanked, to kill a heavy with REs. Why don't you just come out and say you hate me DEVs. Sticky on RE should work with HeaviesGÇª the we could at least stick a few to their arses KRRROOOOOOM
mollerz Minja Scouts 1631	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:50:00 - [6324] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: mollerz wrote: I dig the north shore- Evanston is awesome... except that brr asss weather. You put out a lawn chair to save your parking spot ? S.F., CA here by way of N. Side chi-town. waddup! You mean like yesterday? where it was -10-¦F or today where it is warming up to a nice 0-¦F? Yeah. I'm about to venture off into that. Also which neibhorhood were you in? I spend a lot of time in Uptown/Andersonville, you know where all the pretty ladies are Orly I rented a place in Lincoln park a few summers ago just for the summer. I like to escape this subzero nonsense. I grew up far NW side.. my pops was a cop so we had to live in the city, although I am sure he'd have us in the burbs if he could of. I went to Lane until they kicked me out, so I ended up in CA. Can't say it was a bad move. Was about 60 today . You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 367	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:51:00 - [6325] - Quote English. More so than most ( my tea collection is a bit big) Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress
Scout Registry 359	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:00:00 - [6326] - Quote Shotgun Maths: Adjusting for Overspray TL;DR: When firing at 5 meters, plan on 1-2 pellets missing your target. Introduction: Grief PK and I conducted a simple experiment today in hopes of establishing a benchmark overspray value. In essence, we compared how much damage a shotgun could do vs how much it actually did at 5 meters. Any replicable difference between maximum damage and actual damage (at 100% efficiency range) can be explained by missed pellets, or so we propose. Hypothesis (Accepted): Overspray exists at 5 meters; 100% damage will not be dealt 100% efficiency. Ancillary Observations: A) The optimal range of a Standard Shotgun (~5 meters) matches that of an Advanced Shotgun (~5 meters). At this range, the Advanced Shotgun deals damage at little to no variability, which cannot be said for the Standard. The CRG dealt a precise total of 441 damage, 5 times in a row. In exactly the same setting, the Dren dealt an average of 425 total damage (ranging from 387 to 457, with a standard deviation of 26.91) over 10 shots. B) We observed more damage variability when firing at a Scout Frame than when firing at an Assault Frame. More likely than not, the Scout's smaller hitbox means that one pellet will miss him (at 5 meters). C) Efficiency appears to by -20% versus armor. Efficiency readings drop into the 80s when a target is in Armor. Data: Shotgun,Range,Efficiency,TargetShield,TargetArmor,RemainingShield,RemainingArmor CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,191 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,193 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,181 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,224 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,219 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,212 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1147	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:11:00 - [6327] - Quote mollerz wrote: Llast 326 wrote: mollerz wrote: Anyone notice the Magsec SMG is semi-auto? I am definitely wanting that. I want more pistols Did you see the bolt pistol? It says it's the most powerful pistol in the game. but on the other handGÇª. descriptionsGÇª they lie KRRROOOOOOM
mollerz Minja Scouts 1632	Posted - 2014.01.08 02:08:00 - [6328] - Quote HAppened to find myself in a match with shotty go bang, magnus, etc.. oh nice one slot left in their squad. Get in, get a jeep to go hunt that thale sniper.. FATAL ERROR. F U to0 CCP. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1563	Posted - 2014.01.08 02:15:00 - [6329] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Shotgun Maths: Adjusting for Overspray TL;DR: When firing at 5 meters, plan on 1-2 pellets missing your target. Introduction: Grief PK and I conducted a simple experiment today in hopes of establishing a benchmark overspray value. In essence, we compared how much damage a shotgun could do vs how much it actually did at 5 meters. Any replicable difference between maximum damage and actual damage (at 100% efficiency range) can be explained by missed pellets, or so we propose. Hypothesis (Accepted): Overspray exists at 5 meters; 100% damage will not be dealt 100% efficiency. Ancillary Observations: A) The optimal range of a Standard Shotgun (~5 meters) matches that of an Advanced Shotgun (~5 meters). At this range, the Advanced Shotgun deals damage at little to no variability, which cannot be said for the Standard. The CRG dealt a precise total of 441 damage, 5 times in a row. In exactly the same setting, the Dren dealt an average of 425 total damage (ranging from 387 to 457, with a standard deviation of 26.91) over 10 shots. B) We observed more damage variability when firing at a Scout Frame than when firing at an Assault Frame. More likely than not, the Scout's smaller hitbox means that one pellet will miss him (at 5 meters). C) Efficiency appears to by -20% versus armor. Efficiency readings drop into the 80s when a target is in Armor. Data: Shotgun,Range,Efficiency,TargetShield,TargetArmor,RemainingShield,RemainingArmor : Total Damage CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441 CRG (42x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,158 : 441 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,191 : 408 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 : 387 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,193 : 406 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,212 : 387 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,153,446,0,181 : 418 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,224 : 375 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,219 : 318 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,212 : 387 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223 : 374 DREN (40x12),5m,100%,371,298,0,223 : 374 Wow. That's a nice set of data you got there. I threw in an extra column for clarity. Haha! I love it! I was just about to calculate the sDev when I noticed you had already done it! So does this mean that the lower tier shotguns have more spread than the higher tier? Also, you tested this with maxed out skills right? How would this work for someone with lower shotgun skills (the skill reduces spread). Also, can I request a follow up with a test of the breach? As we know, the breach has a much tighter spread. How much of a difference does this make? Does this mean that the Breach could be BETTER than a standard shotgun at ranges of 5-10m, instead of 0-5? This data opens up a lot of questions. Good job Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1563	Posted - 2014.01.08 02:17:00 - [6330] - Quote mollerz wrote: HAppened to find myself in a match with shotty go bang, magnus, etc.. oh nice one slot left in their squad. Get in, get a jeep to go hunt that thale sniper.. FATAL ERROR. F U to0 CCP. Yeah, that empty slot was me. Too bad you fataled. I was having a blast before I left Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.



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